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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:21 AM

Aurora 'Dark Knight' Shooting Suspect Identified: James Holmes

Last edited Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM - Edit history (2)

Source: ABC

The young man who is in custody after allegedly gunning down 12 people in a mass shooting spree overnight in Aurora, Colorado has been identified as local resident James Holmes, according to federal authorities.

Law enforcement officials and witnesses told ABC News Holmes wore what appeared to be a bullet-proof vest and riot-type mask as he opened fire in a movie theater with three weapons at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." In addition to the 12 deaths, at least 50 people were injured, according to police.

Local news reports showed aerial video of police cautiously searching Holmes' apartment, some five miles from the Century Aurora 16 theater, as the suspect reportedly told police he had explosives inside.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/aurora-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-identified-james-holmes/story?id=16818889#.UAlK8GHY-5J



A law enforcement source told Orr that Holmes' residence was "booby-trapped," and that police saw what looked like "buckets of extra ammunition" and some kind of chemical inside his home.

The suspect spoke of "possible explosives in his residence. We are dealing with that potential threat," Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates told reporters at a news conference.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57476449/james-holmes-24-identified-as-suspect-in-deadly-mass-shooting-at-aurora-colorado-movie-theater/

Colorado suspect just withdrew from med school
http://www.nbc11news.com/news/headlines/Colorado-suspect-just-withdrew-from-med-school--163182506.html?ref=506

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maddezmom Jul 2012 OP
Iggy Jul 2012 #1
valerief Jul 2012 #21
Iggy Jul 2012 #26
randome Jul 2012 #29
Iggy Jul 2012 #37
randome Jul 2012 #43
Iggy Jul 2012 #47
randome Jul 2012 #50
Iggy Jul 2012 #88
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totodeinhere Jul 2012 #102
realtruthman Jul 2012 #108
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patricia92243 Jul 2012 #30
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Iggy Jul 2012 #31
nebenaube Jul 2012 #52
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progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #58
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life long demo Jul 2012 #8
Amonester Jul 2012 #55
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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:28 AM

1. His Computer?

 

how many extremist websites has this guy been posting to and for how long?

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Response to Iggy (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:25 AM

21. Trouble is, you can't tell nuts like him from GOP politicians (or their wives). nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:34 AM

26. LOL. but I Disagree

 

I think it's very easy to formulate about a 6-7 point checklist which would enable law enforcement to
distinguish between hotheaded loudmouths (i.e. most teabaggers) and nuts with some sort
of ax to grind-- who are also armed-- and STOP these people bfore they kill

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Response to Iggy (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:40 AM

29. How? Monitor every posting on the Internet?

That can't be done.

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Response to randome (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:52 AM

37. HUH? It's Already Being Done

 

in the effort to find and stop terrorists; you realize this, correct?

First, do you/we actually want to at least slow this problem down or not? do you want to be gunned down going
to a movie.. or maybe the gas station?

it's relatively simple to narrow this down: surveil the extremist websites in the U.S. which in fact are already
be watched by law enforcement. true, not _all_ of the nuts are on these websites, but based on what we
are seeing- many of them are.

http://www.aclu.org/spy-files

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Response to Iggy (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:09 AM

43. Define 'extremist website' first.

Yes, I know there is probably a lot of law enforcement monitoring going on. But it will never be enough. You can't check the daily information content of 300 million people.

The conditions that led to this massacre are where we need to focus our efforts. Sadly, that has never been done in the past so I doubt it will occur now.

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Response to randome (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

47. C'mon Randome

 

300 million people are not on the extremist websites... if they are, we're in trouble!!

by extremist websites, I mean the "white power", white supremicist websites, the sites talking
about "overthrowing our gov't. those sorts of websites.

The Southern Poverty Law Center proved long ago that activity on these websites can be
and must be monitored.

again, do you want to resolve this obv massive problem? or is the status quo working for you?

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Response to Iggy (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:23 AM

50. 'Status quo'? I would rather live in a gun-free society.

But since that will never happen in this country, we need to look at what created the conditions for this massacre to occur.

I'm not sure you have defined 'extremist' websites by calling them 'white power' or 'white supremicist' websites because I don't see how those can be defined, either, except when the sites are so far 'out there' that a reasonable person would not disagree.

Free Republic frequently talks about 'overthrowing our gov't'. But I would not advocate a visit from law enforcement every time someone posts something stupid there.

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Response to randome (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:14 PM

88. Correct. Forget about Gun Free

 

so let's focus on _realistic_ strategy.

OK, you're choosing NOT to get it regarding white power, white supremacist, neo nazi type websites. they are definitely
out there, and they are trackable

if you're going to be intentionally obtusive and contrary, I don't have time to waste talking with you

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Response to Iggy (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:56 AM

40. Can you give some high level details on how that would be accomplished?

Just the top five bullet points that describe the various topics on how this gets done.

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Response to valerief (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:52 PM

102. Oh come on. When was the last time a GOP politician or his wife

murdered 12 people in a movie theater? Your type of rhetorical overkill is not helpful. In fact it gives ammunition to the other side.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:39 AM

4. I expect that this is a nutcase who went on a rampage. He may have attached himself

to one cause or another, on the left or right. But, in the end, I believe he will turn out to simply be an evil lunatic. I do not know of any political organization in the U.S., of any persuasion, that would condone this act. Let's wait for the facts to come out.

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Response to razorman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:44 AM

7. Lone lunatics can be heavily influenced by propaganda.......


..... remember Gabby Giffords shooter? ..... And I'm sorry, but it's not the left that promotes the hate.


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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:41 AM

30. Yep!

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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:59 AM

57. You are partly right, marmar

 

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Response to Kasper Hauser (Reply #65)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:53 AM

80. Loughner was diagnosed with schzophrenia and was declared by the judge in the case as unfit to stand

trial.

In other words, he was extremely mentally ill.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #80)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:46 PM

100. He was sane enough...

...to legally buy a gun.

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Response to uh clem (Reply #100)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:10 PM

107. There are many schizophrenics who can hold it together for a couple of hours or so.

In other words, time to fill out a form to get a gun.

Many of these are not taking meds, and do not have a diagnosis on file anywhere.

I'm speaking from personal experience.

I'm an attorney, and with current S.Ct. precedents, I doubt that we'll see more strict regulation in the future. To move any closer to serious regulation, you'd need a court with at least 5 Ginsburgs and Sotomayors. That would require many consecutive Dem presidents, which would be a great thing, but it isn't the historical pattern.

I'm not a 2d Amendment purist, but I think that the Amendment presents a significant obstacle for serious gun control.

Really, if you want to go after guns, eventually you're going to have to amend the Constitution.

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Response to Kasper Hauser (Reply #65)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:00 PM

82. The above is a lie, by the way - Jared Lee Loughner was an independent

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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:20 PM

90. I have seen too many instances where wrong conclusions were reached

immediately after an incident, rather than waiting for facts to come in. Please recall; as it turned out, Jared Loughner(Gifford's assailant) turned out to be a radical pothead who was a political independent that hated G.W. Bush. A lone nutcase. Timothy McVeigh was a right-wing looney, and the Unabomber was a left-wing looney. There are such people on all sides of the political spectrum, an no sane person supports their actions. Besides, if we try to tie this guy to Romney or Limbaugh or the Tea Party, and later turn out to be wrong, we will look foolish, especially if a photo ever turns up of this kook shaking hands with President Obama or Al Gore or someone. It is possible, and we certainly could not blame them for his actions. Anyway, I think we should wait at least 24-48 hours for the facts to come in before we draw conclusions. The first reports on big incidents are ALWAYS wrong.

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Response to razorman (Reply #90)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:31 PM

92. You are so right.

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Response to randome (Reply #92)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:32 PM

93. Thanks. Basically, I am just counseling patience.

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Response to razorman (Reply #93)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:28 PM

109. Wisely, too...

... Good on you. I agree with your original post completely.

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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:53 PM

103. +1

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Response to marmar (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:27 PM

119. Yes of course many on the right promote hate. However,

history is replete with lunatics from all sides of the political spectrum who have done things like this and sometimes they are simply crazy and not political at all.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 04:54 PM

131. Of course, one man's "hate" is another man's "righteous anger".

Over the years, I have seen plenty of both, even on this site. The left is not immune. I guess I am just too old and tired to expend a lot of energy on such things. Life is too short to spend it pissed-off.

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Response to razorman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:41 AM

31. Agreed, the problem is there are WAY too many

 

of these guys out there, and it's time to act before more of us are slaughtered like cattle.

I propose a 'War on Nuts', specifically the armed ones

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Response to razorman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:29 AM

52. he was a nazi wannabe...

 

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Response to nebenaube (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:29 AM

67. He was a Medical School dropout anyway....

 

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Response to razorman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:15 AM

58. condone? Nope. Instigate? groom? inspire?

hell yes. What do you think happens to people when they listen to hate talk 24/7? It changes their brains. I don't mean anything like DU or even FReeperville (which is a bunch of angry old men talking tough.) I mean listening to someone constantly who is using inflammatory language to incite people. THe right's language of their talking heads is steeped in violence, and that's just their mainstream people. Add to that the more underground sites and forums for white supremacists, racists, end of worlders, etc., and it's a recipe for disaster.

Even the language that was used by Palin in 2008 was inflammatory in the truest sense.

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Response to razorman (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:45 PM

124. Agreed.

It's probably going to come out that someone or something was telling him he had to do this. I'd put my money on schizophrenia.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:45 AM

8. You are correct on that, but

When I turned the TV on this morning and saw that it was at a batman movie, I immediately thought of Rush and his recent rant about Bain/Bane. Just so weird.

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Response to life long demo (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:33 AM

55. Me 2. First thought that came to my mind...

rush limbo's works

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:01 AM

14. And why would a teabagger want to shoot up a Batman premiere?

One would think the whole rich industrialist/masked vigilante thing would be right up their alley.

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Response to TheMightyFavog (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:28 AM

25. Because of the "conspiracy" between the makers of the movie

and the Obama campaign in attacking poor old Bain Capital, dontcha' know.

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Response to Nancy Waterman (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

63. yes the talking hate heads told him who would watch this movie and "why"

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Response to TheMightyFavog (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:39 AM

27. I think we'll find out soon why

 

I can guess this perp is like many others lately; a loner with some sort of ax to grind.
probably posting extremist/white supremacy crap all over the typical websites.

he doesn't get attention, he wants attention, "fame". this is a pathetic way to achieve it. but it
is a way.

BTW, I really doubt the perp's apartment is "booby trapped" with bombs. the cops actually
believe this guy?

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:48 AM

36. Links to what we know...

What we can see from the internet at first glance:

The Tea Party in Colorado has a page with Jim Holmes as a member.

The Aurora, CO Tea Party page (along with quite a few other pages) have no content, or don't exist - "The page you were looking for was not found."

Yet this page exists as a link on the Colorado Tea Party website. You can see here which pages have been pulled, look for "Aurora Tea Party (Aurora)" as the example.

Breibart is already blaming the mainstream MSM media derp and liberals for being just as bad as the shooter (you know: the same "how DARE they suggest there's a page on a real website with someone with the same name, and how DARE they look into it!" we got for months over Jim Adkisson, how he was an atheist who hated religion and that's why he did it, how he was a lone wolf and in no way held deeply felt right-wing sentiments, until the inconvenient truth of his motivations became known to the public).

That final link: look at the sources from 2008, the Adkisson incident. We're seeing the same lame-ass bluffs from the right wing again.

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Response to Jackpot777 (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:13 AM

45. Great post! Welcome!

I really look forward to reading more from you!

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:29 AM

66. Many thanks.

Thanks. I post using the same name on reddit, sometimes on Fark, and make t-shirts and DJ under the name (check out Mixcrate if you're into electronic music, or RedBubble if you're into sci-fi themed t-shirts) so I decided to add another string to my bow.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:56 AM

39. Common name.....

I imagine there are a lot of "James or Jim Holmes" all over.

But I won't be shocked if we find out he's a winger.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:19 AM

48. I have also seen on Yahoo that

this nutjob was linked to OWS ...
he waited until 30 minutes into the movie
threw smoke/tear gas and started shooting
at the same time as it was going on in the
movie ....
so there is enough shit on both sides
wait until the facts are sorted out ....

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:32 AM

68. Just like Gifford's shooter!!!!

 

Which proves....nothing....except that people are stupid and selfish and cruel to try and score political points on this...

His motive will be important...though likely as not it was just insanity....but to accuse anyone..Obama, Limbaugh, Hollywood...as sharing blame at this point is both reckless and evil.

This is not about scoring points.

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Response to Mayflower1 (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:43 AM

72. Oops. Guess you were wrong

Good try with the ALL CAPS.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:07 PM

85. They retracted this statement.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:11 PM

87. The guy is apparently from San Diego originally.

A reporter got a hold of his mother and she wasn't surprised, according to the report. The mother said that she'd have to get on a plane to Colorado.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:29 PM

110. Weren't they the first network to speculate about a Teabagger/Times square bomber connection too?

n/t

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #110)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:34 PM

112. Yes, and Muslim terrorism for the Oklahoma City bombing

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

114. It would be nice to see them spend less effort speculating and more time investigating.

Maybe that's why people don't get their news from the networks nearly as much as they used to.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:34 AM

3. Interesting that ABC says he "...gunned down 12 people..."

when actually, he gunned down at least 62, 12 of which, so far, were fatalities. Okay, to be fair, a few of those other 50 might have been injured trying to escape the carnage, but still, minimizing the number seems disingenuous.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:41 AM

5. Being a lifelong NYer I can say that "gunned down" means killed

And ABCnews is a NY based operation.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:55 AM

12. "gunned down" sounds sort of hollywoodish, sort of unreal. "Murdered"

should be the word used.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:26 AM

23. It is sensationalism

for headlines. It's somewhat of a meaningless term considering how easily it can be misunderstood.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:43 AM

6. And my local TV was quick to point out that this was not a 'terrorist' attack.

They must have said it a dozen times that it had nothing to do with 'terrorists'. I guess America has succeeded in re-defining that word. I can't image being in a theater with your kids and having somebody start shooting people and not feeling a tad of 'terror'.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:52 AM

11. The statement is probably intended to 'calm' the community not reflect the emotional reality

of people in the theaters.

If people thought is was a terrorist attack, fear (and some panic) would spread across the country. Saying it isn't terrorism would communicate that it is a single event not a possible part of a larger campaign of violence.



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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

17. I'm sick of classifying domestic terrorism as just 'lone wolf' actions. This

was an act of terrorism.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:40 AM

28. Certainly it's frightening to be aware violence like this is a probability in our society

I do think that the statement was meant to calm the community, and to suggest that this is not the beginning of a series of such attacks.

If they have the right person in custody, they'll probably know soon what the motivation for it was.



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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:32 AM

53. I live 2000 miles from the shooting.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:15 AM

46. This is trying me nuts

They need to define violence differently. Terrorism has been committed throughout history by people of many races, religions, and nationalities.

So far this clearly seems to be an act of terrorism.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:46 AM

35. "Terrorist" means "attack by brown people"

They would never call the Oklahoma City Bombing "terrorism" nowadays.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:54 AM

38. Suspect was white....

That's why it's not terror.....

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:55 AM

56. to be fair

Unless the authorities uncover some kind of political motive for the mass killing, i wouldn't call it terrorism, either...jmho

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:24 AM

64. Had the shooter been of Middle Eastern descent, your local

TV would have no problem calling the guy a terrorist.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:06 PM

126. It's because there was not any obvious political motivation

 

it was intended to calm people by pointing out this was a lone nut so follow-up attacks are not a concern.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:50 AM

10. Local news is showing the FBI trying to make entry to his apartment

Front door is apparently booby trapped so they are trying to make entry through a third floor bathroom window.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 08:57 AM

13. Will Limbaugh, will Hannity, will Romney condemn this?

In loud and certain terms?
Or will Mitt give us one of his "not what I would have done" answers?

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Response to rurallib (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:04 AM

16. No more than the producers of The Dark Knight Rises will, or should

 



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Response to slackmaster (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:26 AM

22. Those are heavy duty earrings. nt

 

nt

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

62. the producers weren't the ones spending all week saying it was a left wing plot. n/t

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #62)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:44 AM

73. Did somebody actually say for a whole week that the movie was a left-wing plot?

 

I must not have gotten that memo.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #73)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 02:26 PM

115. Limbaugh did, thought I don't know about for a week.

He did throw a shitfit over the villain being named Bain.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #62)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:23 PM

129. Which shows just how evil the shooter is - after listening to the radio for a week, he

apparently invented a time machine and went back several months to plan his crime.

Or maybe that wasn't his motivation.

In any case, I'm disgusted anyone, on any side rushing to score political points over the who he was or was not connected to, who he did or didn't adhere to, etc.

If Obama & Romney can place this outside the political sphere, anyone should be able to.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:27 AM

24. Good question...Limbaugh always asks where's Al Sharpton

Whenever someone black commits a crime, Limbaugh and republicans demand to know where is Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Well, where is Limbaugh? Hannity? Glenn Beck? They are "white leaders", aren't they? they always want the "black leaders" to condemn the deaths and do something about it. So now when the shooter is white, where the hell are they?

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Response to robinstewart (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:45 AM

34. Y'a see Mittens and his campaign

said nothing when Limpball's was spewing all that hate about the Bateman movie huh. I bet Mittens say nothing about what his cohort was saying.

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Response to robinstewart (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:44 AM

74. No

Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck most certainly are NOT "white leaders" ...whatever the hell that is even supposed to mean.

We have no idea yet whether this guy had a political motive. My guess would be no. Consider the venue he picked. Consider the ComiCon-esque costume he put on. He was playing Supervillain. My guess is that he's simply a total nutter, completely divorced from reality, not unlike Jared Loughner.

He needn't be politically motivated for this to be stark indictment of the NRA and the gun fetishists on the right.

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Response to Libertas et Veritas (Reply #74)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:42 PM

99. Clarification

 

> Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck most certainly are NOT "white leaders"

I think he meant to say "unhinged repig hate-filled teabagger white racist leaders"

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Response to rurallib (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:43 AM

32. They made it happen - Rush and his INCESSANT LYING!

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:04 AM

15. KUSA is reporting

That the shooters mother, who is out of state, has been notified, and is flying in to Colorado. She identified him to the FBI as her son.

link to KUSA
http://www.9news.com/video/65071045001/1/KUSA-Livestream-Red-18287

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:08 AM

18. My wife woke me up to let me know about this.

 

We live about 2 miles from there. I was at the theatre 13 days ago during the daylight.

The area is very notorious for gang problems. There has been major effort to clean up the area.

As a result of this, my wife has forbade me to go to that theatre.

Very scary.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:10 AM

19. In before someone accuses you of being a racist for using the word "gang"

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:24 AM

20. In like a hawk..................nt

 

nt

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:01 AM

41. Anybody who says you are racist for using the word gang

Has to be one ignorant fool...

Somebody really did that here?


Maybe some folks just really have lead a sheltered life LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:32 AM

54. It happened to me earlier this week

 

When I posted that a shooting suspect (who happened to be white) must be a gang member due to his attire and his behavior.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:36 AM

70. You and your dog whistles, lol

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #70)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:47 AM

76. The funny thing about real dog whistles is that the intent of using them is almost always...

 

...to scare a dog away or to get the dog to stop doing some undesirable behavior.

But you never know how any particular animal will react to one at any particular time. I suppose a large predator that had an appetite for dog meat would be attracted to them.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:50 AM

79. pot

sheltered?, where have you been living?

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #79)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:09 PM

86. Desoto, Festus, Pevely, Fenton MO, Dallas TX, Plano TX,

Travelled all across the country for years installing channel banks and muxes...


What about you?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #86)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:14 PM

89. so

i have lived in the real world of america for many decades,not your world. have a real good day.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #89)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:30 PM

91. With a handle that has heaven in the name I think that could be disputed LOL

I give a list of cities and you sign off


I forget what you are even trying to discuss anymore

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #91)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:35 PM

113. i didn't understand the city reference.

i've lived in a lot of different places here and abroad,so? America has a particular vicious and dark underside when it comes to race relations, both ways. My point is that air and light on a undesirable subject such as race relations helps sometimes. Calling people fools does not help to foster debate. that's my point. I apologize for being offensive in any manner.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:46 AM

75. well?

say gang and most good americans think black people, what could you expect? so guy saying gang problem colored, no pun intended, his statement black.simple as that.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #75)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:34 PM

96. The prejudice that "most good americans" harbor against black people is a tragic thing

 

Especially when it comes from a self-professed progressive like the person who put his foot in his mouth in response to my post earlier this week.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:43 AM

33. Witnesses at the apt. claim they heard a small explosion when police sent in robot.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:07 AM

42. The NRA pulls the strings of many of the politicians. where are they now?

They keep fueling the fire that President Obama will take away their guns which of course is nonsense. Will they accept any responsibility for eliminating many of the restrictions that were in place so the gun industry could sell more guns? You now see laws being passed that allows people to carry guns just about anywhere they want. Why?

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Response to denvine (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:50 PM

101. Isn't it obvious?

More guns make the country safer.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:09 AM

44. Right wing whack jobs will blame Hollywood

Bank on it.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:23 AM

49. Yes, terrorist act indeed...

7 killed in Bulgaria attack on Israeli tour bus, 12 killed in Colorado theater.. Robme will go to war with Iran (Sheldon Adelson will see to that) but will he go to war against 'mericans? Seems that's already happening. Unarmed protestors are gassed, beaten and arrested. Latinos sit in jail for not showing "papers." Armed vigilantes shoot innocent teenagers who dare to go out at night. But the real terrorists are lurking out there ready to strike, bringing fear and mayhem to any or all of us and they are being whipped up by hate; the new American value.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:28 AM

51. Yet ANOTHER reason to flush Rush ...

Disgusting Limbots "must kill" has been once again imprinted on their limbic brains...

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

61. Notice he is not a middle eastern muslim but a home grown white terrorist.

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Response to teewrex (Reply #61)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:56 AM

123. Chris Rock on Comedy Central tonite:

"I ain't afraid of Al Queda - I'm scared of Al Cracker!"

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:35 AM

69. Was this some sort of "Second Amendment solution" for some perceived

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wrong somebody did to him? Maybe his warped idea of standing his ground, encouraged by teabaggers and their mentality??

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #69)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 04:37 PM

121. If shouting "fire" in a crowded theater isn't protected...

No, I can't go through with it. My thoughts go to all of the victims and their bereaved.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:48 AM

77. Look what Brietbart.com is up to

He was issued a traffic citation in 2011--his sole run-in with the law. The same is true for the suspect arrested in connection with the shootings, according to reports. Update: Fox News reports that the suspect has a California-issued social security number, as does the man in the documents obtained by Breitbart News--a significant correlation, assuming the sources are independent.

Furthermore, the James Holmes for whom records were obtained by Breitbart News registered as a Democrat on June 14, 2011. He registered from an address in La Plata County, Colorado, and his status is listed as "inactive."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:49 AM

78. I'm sure the psycho is a great hunter

He was just armed for shooting deer, right NRA?

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 11:59 AM

81. America needs some serious mental health help

...tragic and stupid.

RIP folks.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:03 PM

83. A medical School dropout

Several news organizations are reporting he was a med school student who had recently dropped out. Had just completed a course on "Pschychiatric Disorders"

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Response to carlotta (Reply #83)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:32 PM

94. A local San Diego radio station quoted a San Diego PD spokesperson as saying Holmes was in a PhD...

 

...program, according to Holmes' mother who lives in the area. The suspect Holmes graduated from a San Diego area high school.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:06 PM

84. Both left and right are trying to make political points from this but I think that's wrong.

I'd rather no one accuse him of being a teabagger or liberal or anything else until we know some facts.

Anyone who indiscriminately kills people like this is not likely to be motivated by political views.
No one condones mass slaughter of innocents other than some extremist religious groups.

All that we know is that he is insane and evil by all human standards and we should not automatically accuse him of being part of a group that we don't like.

I learned this from the Oklahoma bombing when everyone was convinced it was a Muslim extremist attack.
Timothy McVeigh was about as far from being a Muslim as you can get.

Hold off on the accusations until we get some facts.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:34 PM

95. Yep. Everyone's immediately claiming it's their personal opponents who did this.

Just like every other such instance. Ugh.

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #95)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:02 PM

104. There are two basic narratives in partisan political discussions. Here they are:

 

1. Once upon a time, things were all good. The other side made it bad. But now our side is trying to take us back to the good times. So vote for us.

2. Once upon a time, things were all bad. Our side made it good. But now the other side is trying to take us back to the bad times. So vote for us.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:03 PM

116. The people here blaming a teabagger or no different than the freepers who blame muslims. nt

 

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #116)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:23 PM

118. Except that ABC News erroneously reported that it was a Teabagger.

That was later retracted but I don't blame people for believing that report when they first heard it.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #118)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:44 PM

120. didn't see that. thanks. nt

 

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:10 PM

117. +1 for reason

 

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 12:36 PM

97. pic of the shooter



TMZ: Here is the first photo of "Dark Knight" theater shooter James Holmes ... released by the University of Colorado,
Graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado where he attended the School of Medicine before withdrawing.

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Response to Baclava (Reply #97)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:35 AM

127. The expression 'just give me five minutes alone with him' comes to mind. eom

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:02 PM

105. The alleged shooter seems to be well educated.

Colorado shooting suspect James Holmes was in the process from withdrawing from a doctorate program in neuroscience at the University of Colorado-Denver, according to university spokesman Dan Myers. Holmes began the program last year.


http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-student-photo-released-160848135.html

What a terrible tragedy this is. My heart goes out to the victims and their families, and I wish the injured a quick and full recovery.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #105)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:06 PM

106. Wonder how he was able to open the emergency exit

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Response to Gin (Reply #106)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:37 AM

128. Good question.

I don't know if we're supposed to be thinking about possible answers.

The more I think about this the more things don't stack up.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #105)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:32 PM

111. Maybe schizophrenia?

He's young twenties, apparently very intelligent but withdrawing from a doctorate program-

Just my own rambling thoughts, I wonder if we will ever know.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #111)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 06:21 PM

125. I think that is an intelligent guess.

He does fit the profile.

In any event, what a tragedy for all involved.

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 05:21 PM

122. "Shy"

Aren't they always described like that. Wtf?

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Response to maddezmom (Original post)

Mon Jul 23, 2012, 03:18 PM

130. Hopefully no copycats, nuts tend to come out the woodwork in droves

Hopefully no copycats, nuts tend to come out the woodwork in droves

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