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highplainsdem

(48,874 posts)
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 11:10 PM Feb 2017

Donald Trump Rejects Intelligence Report on Travel Ban

Source: WSJ

The report, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, came from Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis. It said that its staff “assesses that country of citizenship is unlikely to be a reliable indicator of potential terrorist activity.” The White House on Friday dismissed it as politically motivated and poorly researched.

-snip-

“The president asked for an intelligence assessment. This is not the intelligence assessment the president asked for,” a senior administration official said. The official said intelligence is already available on the countries included in Mr. Trump’s ban and just needs to be compiled.

“The intelligence community is combining resources to put together a comprehensive report using all available sources which is driven by data and intelligence and not politics," said White House spokesman Michael Short.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security also took issue with the quality of the report, describing it as “commentary” based on public sources rather than “an official, robust document with thorough interagency sourcing.”

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Read more: https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-rejects-intelligence-report-on-travel-ban-1487987629

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Donald Trump Rejects Intelligence Report on Travel Ban (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2017 OP
What's the sense of compiling a report bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #1
I guess that is what dictators do. Equinox Moon Feb 2017 #2
It's what Cheney did when he wanted an excuse for the Iraq Warr. nt duhneece Feb 2017 #9
Courts OliverQ Feb 2017 #15
The president has a conclusion - and by golly, we need to have the data to support it. CincyDem Feb 2017 #3
Snowflake never gets told no in the bubble underpants Feb 2017 #4
Donald Trump Rejects Intelligence dalton99a Feb 2017 #5
You beat me to it. Third Doctor Feb 2017 #8
Bingo. n/t susanna Feb 2017 #13
"Send this back. It's not what I ordered." dchill Feb 2017 #6
Heeza Expert Sebasdad22 Feb 2017 #7
"This is not the intelligence assessment the President asked for." Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #10
Oh my. Trump has gone the full fascist. Doodley Feb 2017 #11
he's so pathetic, he needs his idiotic supporters to keep swooning for him Skittles Feb 2017 #12
Trump is mad the report wasn't written to favor his delusions. Solly Mack Feb 2017 #14
Fake Administration calls for Fake Intelligence Report... GReedDiamond Feb 2017 #16
tRump will keep ordering reports until he gets one he likes. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #17
This is a grounded analysis DeminPennswoods Feb 2017 #18
"This is not the intelligence assessment the president asked for," BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #19
What exactly does he have against these 7 countries? Bayard Feb 2017 #20
Intelligence is elitist in Trumplandia Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #21

bucolic_frolic

(42,983 posts)
1. What's the sense of compiling a report
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 11:17 PM
Feb 2017

if he already knows what he's looking for and disagrees with anything that
is contrary to his preconceived beliefs?

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
2. I guess that is what dictators do.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 11:23 PM
Feb 2017

I don't know, America has not ever had a dictator before. We are supposed to be a democracy. The original democracy.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
15. Courts
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:34 AM
Feb 2017

He's trying to get the Intel agencies to create a report that can be used to pass muster with the courts, since they said the evidence of these 7 states posing a high risk has not been presented yet. So Trump is trying to create the evidence to bypass that argument.

CincyDem

(6,323 posts)
3. The president has a conclusion - and by golly, we need to have the data to support it.
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 11:23 PM
Feb 2017


I had a friend who worked in the analysis business. The greatest quote I ever heard relative to this topic...

"...we'll torture the data until it confesses what we want to hear".

That's exactly how they're treating intelligence data these days. Conclusion in hand and cherry picking data to support it.

Skittles

(153,103 posts)
12. he's so pathetic, he needs his idiotic supporters to keep swooning for him
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:10 AM
Feb 2017

and that means doing shit like this

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
14. Trump is mad the report wasn't written to favor his delusions.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:15 AM
Feb 2017

So, of course, it's a fake report.

A "real" report would back up every lie Trump has ever told.

GReedDiamond

(5,310 posts)
16. Fake Administration calls for Fake Intelligence Report...
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 01:46 AM
Feb 2017

...to generate Fake News to support their Fake Policies.

Who coulda seen that coming?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,929 posts)
17. tRump will keep ordering reports until he gets one he likes.
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 04:20 AM
Feb 2017

Either he will have to wait until he is out of office or it will be an intelligence report from Jeff Sessions. Which is a bit of an oxymoron.

DeminPennswoods

(15,264 posts)
18. This is a grounded analysis
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 04:59 AM
Feb 2017

Just reading the excerpt posted above as someone who did analyses for the federal gov't, it's a decent piece of work and credible.

Whoever wrote it used concrete facts in all people who were involved in some kind of known terrorist act in the US as identified in DoJ reports although over what timeframe isn't clear. (If it was me analyzing the date, I'd have gone back to the earliest known terrorist attack, maybe the 1993 WTC event.) Everything else flows from there and is just spreadsheet data. It looks like the author also gathered data on people inside the 7 countries who committed some kind of local vs external attacks although the source of that data isn't stated.

I'm going to guess that what Trump wants is to include attacks that might have been thwarted in addition to those that actually happened. Maybe he also wants to include individuals who are being monitored by the intelligence community as being on the radicalized spectrum, but who haven't carried out any attacks and who may/may not live in or travel to the US. I think using any other data like social media activity is unreliable because who really knows who is who on the internet.

However, the problem with trying to cook the books here is that this data is going to be used in a trial and is therefore subject to discovery. We now have the original conclusions out so any subsequent conclusions can be compared/contrasted/questioned by litigators and the court.

Bayard

(21,979 posts)
20. What exactly does he have against these 7 countries?
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:43 PM
Feb 2017

Is it because they won't let him build hotels there?

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