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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:36 AM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

Critics Won't Release Returns

Source: The Fresno Bee

Critics of Mitt Romney won't release own tax returns

By Kevin G. Hall and David Lightman - Bee Washington Bureau

Wednesday, Jul. 18, 2012 | 11:02 PM

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi was emphatic. Mitt Romney's refusal to release more than two years of his personal tax returns, she said, makes him unfit to win confirmation as a member of the president's Cabinet, let alone to hold the high office himself.

Sen. Harry Reid went farther: Romney's refusal to make public more of his tax records makes him unfit to be a dogcatcher.

They do not, however, think that standard of transparency should apply to them. The two Democratic leaders of the Senate and the House of Representatives are among hundreds of senators and representatives from both parties who refused to release their tax records. Just 17 out of the 535 members of Congress released their most recent tax forms or provided some similar documentation of their tax liabilities in response to requests from McClatchy over the last three months. Another 19 replied that they wouldn't release the information, and the remainder never responded to the query.



Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2012/07/18/2914418/critics-wont-release-returns.html


Sorry, boys and girls but if we are going to call for financial transparency those rules should apply to everyone holding elected office. JMHO.

LTH

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Reply Critics Won't Release Returns (Original post)
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 OP
LineReply so Mitt won't pick Pelosi for VP?
 Enrique Jul 2012 #1
LineReply This is drivel.
 DURHAM D Jul 2012 #2
LineLineReply Thanks. Correct.
 elleng Jul 2012 #18
LineLineReply Yes--and if you are in a "key and essential" position, even in the military, you are forced to fill
 MADem Jul 2012 #28
LineLineReply Actually, according to the article, they don't.
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #35
LineLineLineNew Reply Are you a democrat?
 DURHAM D Jul 2012 #44
LineReply They are not running for President or Vice President. n/t
 Ian David Jul 2012 #3
LineLineReply Right. No analogy.
 elleng Jul 2012 #19
LineReply So just because others, of whatever party, are guilty of this means that it's okay?
 drm604 Jul 2012 #4
LineLineReply The poster appears to be arguing that they all should be releasing their returns the opposite
 PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #9
LineLineReply The Poster is saying
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #17
LineLineLineReply You seem unaware that members of Congress are required to release their financial info every year.
 kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #27
LineLineLineLineReply I answered that in Post 35
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #36
LineLineLineNew Reply Well said.
 Psephos Jul 2012 #47
LineReply I'm sorry, I didnt realize these two were in running for president or VP...
 Katashi_itto Jul 2012 #5
LineReply This argument won't save his ass either.
 bemildred Jul 2012 #6
LineLineReply especially because the partisan twit doesn't mention the Republicans who are calling for them....
 progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #25
LineReply Really---Didn't think they were running for President?
 trumad Jul 2012 #7
LineReply They do release their sources of income, by law
 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #8
LineLineReply Thanks for this detail.
 elleng Jul 2012 #20
LineReply .
 NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #10
LineReply Un-MITT-igated BS.
 mac56 Jul 2012 #11
LineReply What about non-elected officials?
 eaglesfanintn Jul 2012 #12
LineReply Neither Pelosi nor Reid are running for president.
 sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #13
LineReply Do as I say...Not as I do...
 SoapBox Jul 2012 #14
LineLineReply wait.. what? They're not running for president. n/t
 progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #23
LineReply They're accountable to their voters.
 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #15
LineLineReply And their financial intimacies are available, for all to see, on the net.
 MADem Jul 2012 #29
LineLineReply Oooh! Aren't you just the badass!
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #38
LineLineLineNew Reply I don't get to vote for either Reid or Pelosi. They are not really my business.
 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #45
LineLineLineLineNew Reply One more time . . .
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #46
LineReply False equivalency
 lark Jul 2012 #16
LineLineReply I'd like to see the standard for all high ranking politicians be that they
 hughee99 Jul 2012 #21
LineLineLineReply It already is the standard for members of Congress
 csziggy Jul 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineReply Abbreviated financial disclosers aren't the same as full returns.
 hughee99 Jul 2012 #34
LineReply "Fresno Bee" enough said. Right wing rag in a right wing town.
 progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #22
LineLineReply The Fresno Bee is part of
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #39
LineReply Does this guy REALLY expect people to believe this?
 Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #24
LineReply What DURHAM D said: Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information
 kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #26
LineReply Oh, give me a fucking break.
 closeupready Jul 2012 #30
LineReply Fresno is not right wing, it's politicians and newspaper are
 musiclawyer Jul 2012 #31
LineLineReply In2004, they went 57% for Bush, but in 2008, 51% Obama.
 progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #37
LineLineLineReply Intersting.
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #42
LineReply What a pathetic attempt to smear Democrats.
 Son of Gob Jul 2012 #32
LineLineNew Reply Well, actually, I'm fully clothed
 Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #48
LineReply I just realized how inane it is that Obama has had to respond to people re: birth certificate
 progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #40
LineReply We should make them release their TRANSCRIPTS too!!!!!
 JoePhilly Jul 2012 #41
LineNew Reply They aren't running for President.
 6000eliot Jul 2012 #43
LineNew Reply "Dear Mitt, Never mind that tax return thing, you are now off the hook."
 NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #49
LineNew Reply All US Congress people should release tax returns (nt)
 bigwillq Jul 2012 #50
LineNew Reply They are not running for President!
 liberal N proud Jul 2012 #51
LineNew Reply Those people aren't running for Prez
 high density Jul 2012 #52

Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:40 AM

Enrique (22,652 posts)

1. so Mitt won't pick Pelosi for VP?

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:42 AM

Star Member DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

2. This is drivel.

Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information annually.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:21 PM

Star Member elleng (40,557 posts)

18. Thanks. Correct.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:04 PM

MADem (86,170 posts)

28. Yes--and if you are in a "key and essential" position, even in the military, you are forced to fill

out those forms....even to get a clearance, you have to fill out questionnaires that are more intrusive than a colonoscopy.

http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf




These are the questions on the short form SF 86. The long one is even worse.


Also, you can see Congresspeople's financial disclosure statements on the internet. You can't see RMoney's!

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/index.php

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:40 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

35. Actually, according to the article, they don't.

McClatchy began this quest 3 months ago -- long before this issue with Romney surfaced. Here's the quote:

"What's required by law is written by Congress itself, a broad financial-disclosure statement that offers no direct information on tax liabilities and no requirement for reporting spousal income other than the source -- but not the amount -- of any income above $1,000. There's little way of knowing whether that spousal income is $1,001 or $1 million.

Only 17 members shared their detailed tax information with McClatchy.



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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:34 PM

Star Member DURHAM D (18,574 posts)

44. Are you a democrat?

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:42 AM

Star Member Ian David (68,450 posts)

3. They are not running for President or Vice President. n/t

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:22 PM

Star Member elleng (40,557 posts)

19. Right. No analogy.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:43 AM

Star Member drm604 (13,962 posts)

4. So just because others, of whatever party, are guilty of this means that it's okay?

You're using a logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:46 AM

PoliticAverse (5,541 posts)

9. The poster appears to be arguing that they all should be releasing their returns the opposite

of what you claim.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:30 AM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

17. The Poster is saying

that this base issue is transparency. If they can't cover their OWN asses on this issue it opens them up to the obvious counter-charge of hypocrisy.

I think most Americana are sick and tired of these bastids profiting from their time in office to the expense of the U.S. taxpayer. These people are SUPPOSED to be representing US but I think even the most ardent partisan out there has got to admit that most legislation does NOT represent our best interests. Payola isn't new and it isn't a secret. Why try to assert that it is? My personal solution for this problem is to call for transparency and no elected official is exempt.

That's pretty much it.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:48 PM

Star Member kestrel91316 (45,434 posts)

27. You seem unaware that members of Congress are required to release their financial info every year.

And they do so.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:41 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

36. I answered that in Post 35

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:37 PM

Psephos (6,856 posts)

47. Well said.

Wow, you get my respect for holding to principal.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 AM

Katashi_itto (1,679 posts)

5. I'm sorry, I didnt realize these two were in running for president or VP...

Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:46 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

friggin twit.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 AM

bemildred (67,518 posts)

6. This argument won't save his ass either.

Not that it's a bad argument, but it won't rescue Mitt.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:01 PM

progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)

25. especially because the partisan twit doesn't mention the Republicans who are calling for them....

If he was truly a fan of transparency, he would list the republicans from the list of those calling for his returns, as well.

It's a bad argument. They are not running for President. They are not in an election, and they are required to release their tax information as part of their position anyway. he is trying to equate a request for them from a private news corporation, to vetting for the presidency. Not the same thing... . they are not running for prez.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 AM

Star Member trumad (34,449 posts)

7. Really---Didn't think they were running for President?

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:45 AM

Star Member muriel_volestrangler (65,373 posts)

8. They do release their sources of income, by law

By May 15 of each year, congressional members, key staffers and top officials in the executive branch must file forms covering the preceding calendar year that detail their personal finances. By law, they must list their assets and liabilities, their income (excluding their government salaries, oddly), asset transactions, gifts they received and more. They need not list property unless it produces income, meaning their primary residence is generally not listed. They must include the source of their spouse's income, but need not report the amount.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/why.php

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:24 PM

Star Member elleng (40,557 posts)

20. Thanks for this detail.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:49 AM

Star Member NRaleighLiberal (28,647 posts)

10. .

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

Star Member mac56 (13,654 posts)

11. Un-MITT-igated BS.

See what I did there?

Members have to do this every year.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:52 AM

eaglesfanintn (82 posts)

12. What about non-elected officials?

Should every judge, justice, cabinet member also release theirs? Guess I'd like to see where Sheriff Arpaio is getting his money from. But, I think there's been a precedent set when running for President and the least Mittens could do would be to release his previous 8 years as Obama did when he was running. That same precedent hasn't been set in Congressional races.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:57 AM

Star Member sinkingfeeling (27,880 posts)

13. Neither Pelosi nor Reid are running for president.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:14 AM

SoapBox (5,828 posts)

14. Do as I say...Not as I do...

typical...and I'm not surprised at all.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)

23. wait.. what? They're not running for president. n/t

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:23 AM

Star Member lumberjack_jeff (24,556 posts)

15. They're accountable to their voters.

If you're not from Utah or San Fransisco, STFU.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:07 PM

MADem (86,170 posts)

29. And their financial intimacies are available, for all to see, on the net.

UNLIKE RMoney's...!

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:44 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

38. Oooh! Aren't you just the badass!

If you (and the rest of the wolf pack) would have actually read the article, it mentions that only 17 members of Congress complied with McClatchy's request.

And this is a message board. If you don't like my message there's always Ignore.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:44 PM

Star Member lumberjack_jeff (24,556 posts)

45. I don't get to vote for either Reid or Pelosi. They are not really my business.

I do get to vote for the president. That is my business.

Romney apologists in the media are doing everything they can to distract attention and draw false equivalencies. They send their thanks.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 08:08 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

46. One more time . . .

IF YOU HAD ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE it states that McClatchy has been trying to obtain this information for three months . . . .long before the Romney issue.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:25 AM

lark (2,106 posts)

16. False equivalency

Running for congress is not the same as running for the most powerful office in the world - President of the United States. The std. for running for president is to release many years worth of returns, what's Mitt hiding and why are you trying to muddy the waters?

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:44 PM

hughee99 (10,122 posts)

21. I'd like to see the standard for all high ranking politicians be that they

release many years worth of returns, but that's not the current standard.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:09 PM

Star Member csziggy (14,216 posts)

33. It already is the standard for members of Congress

As mentioned in multiple messages in this thread (maybe not earlier than your message). ALL members of Congress have to release their information and it is available online - see http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=171101

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:36 PM

hughee99 (10,122 posts)

34. Abbreviated financial disclosers aren't the same as full returns.

Although certainly those in congress have provided more info than Rmoney has.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)

22. "Fresno Bee" enough said. Right wing rag in a right wing town.

Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

And last time I checked, Pelosi and Reid aren't running for President.

Right wing garbage. And of those REPUBLICANS that are asking???? How many of THEM have responded to McClatchy's requests???

I wouldn't turn mine over, either, unless I was actively running for office. This is the usual BS.

Though the comments on the story are priceless!!
"fresno bee is a liberal rag."

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:47 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

39. The Fresno Bee is part of

the McClatchy Group which also includes the Sacramento Bee. The organization is not known to be either right or left. They have leftward-learning columnists and rightward-leaning columnists.

As for the comments, this is the type of story the right wing would salivate at as apparently it has some of the Third Way "liberals."

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:00 PM

Star Member Spitfire of ATJ (7,410 posts)

24. Does this guy REALLY expect people to believe this?

Congress critters are CONSTANTLY monitoring each other for ANY sign of taking a bribe so they can clobber each other with it.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

Star Member kestrel91316 (45,434 posts)

26. What DURHAM D said: Members of congress provide comprehensive financial disclosure information

annually.

But thanks for your "concern".

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

Star Member closeupready (19,487 posts)

30. Oh, give me a fucking break.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:17 PM

musiclawyer (2,052 posts)

31. Fresno is not right wing, it's politicians and newspaper are

Fresno is like 75 latino and 1st second generation immigrant but they DO NOT VOTE. This is not a voter suppression state. They just don;t vote and thus get the represention they deserve.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:42 PM

progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)

37. In2004, they went 57% for Bush, but in 2008, 51% Obama.

The area is dominated by right wing politicians, and business owners, as it has been for decades. you're right, the hispanics don't vote which actually creates a right wing area because of the predominance of republicans that control the County and cities there. I've lived within a few hours of Fresno for 20 years, and where I'm from is considering their playground. Summer and spring break is the only time you'll see Confederate flags on trucks in my area.

Wish the hispanics would vote.. could turn that area upside down.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

42. Intersting.

I've been here for 37 years and I've only seen one confederate flag. It's also interesting that when you spot a confederate flag you automatically assume the owner is from the Valley.

The reason Hispanics don't vote is that there is very little voter outreach by your own party. We're hicks, remember? Rednecks. Freepers. Uneducated hayseeds. If the Hispanics aren't voting I would think the Party Faithful would ask why that is.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

Star Member Son of Gob (1,495 posts)

32. What a pathetic attempt to smear Democrats.

Thanks for exposing yourself though.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 03:49 AM

Star Member Le Taz Hot (14,462 posts)

48. Well, actually, I'm fully clothed

at the moment.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:48 PM

progressivebydesign (19,363 posts)

40. I just realized how inane it is that Obama has had to respond to people re: birth certificate

but they're making excuses for Romney not releases his tax returns. He has estimated 2011, and given an incomplete 2010. But the media seems to be fine with forcing someone to prove they are born in America, repeatedly? President Obama was probably the most-vetted person in history for the job, but they're protecting Romney for not divulging even the minimum info.

Wow...

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

JoePhilly (16,017 posts)

41. We should make them release their TRANSCRIPTS too!!!!!

ridiculous.

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Thu Jul 19, 2012, 05:30 PM

Star Member 6000eliot (4,267 posts)

43. They aren't running for President.

False equivalency.

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Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:55 AM

Star Member NYC_SKP (48,896 posts)

49. "Dear Mitt, Never mind that tax return thing, you are now off the hook."

Somebody said that until all members of congress do it, you don't have to.

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:13 PM

bigwillq (59,605 posts)

50. All US Congress people should release tax returns (nt)

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:15 PM

Star Member liberal N proud (43,767 posts)

51. They are not running for President!

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:15 PM

high density (13,383 posts)

52. Those people aren't running for Prez

Kthx.

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