Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:59 PM
alp227 (20,430 posts)
Governor signs law to make California home to nation's first truly high-speed rail
Source: CNN
California is poised to become home to the nation's first truly high-speed rail system with Gov. Jerry Brown's signing Wednesday of a law authorizing the first leg of construction for a line that will eventually connect Los Angeles and San Francisco. California will issue $2.6 billion in bonds, with the federal government providing an additional $3.2 billion, to build the initial segment of the high-speed rail between Merced and the San Fernando Valley on the north side of Los Angeles, officials said. The high-speed rail project was part of a transportation bill signed by Brown that calls for general improvements to the state's rail system involving a total of $4.7 billion in state funding matched with $7.9 billion in federal and local funds, officials said. "This legislation will help put thousands of people in California back to work," Brown said at Union Station in downtown Los Angeles, according to a news release. "By improving regional transportation systems, we are investing in the future of our state and making California a better place to live and work." Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/18/us/california-high-speed-rail/index.html However, even a few (D) state senators voted against HSR, and my local paper (whose editorial board is far from right wing) called the HSR project a "high-spending folly".
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| alp227 | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| liberal N proud | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| Mz Pip | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| AsahinaKimi | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| DonCoquixote | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| happerbolic | Jul 2012 | #19 | |
| midnight | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| AllyCat | Jul 2012 | #18 | |
| happerbolic | Jul 2012 | #20 | |
| SunSeeker | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| kestrel91316 | Jul 2012 | #7 | |
| shanti | Jul 2012 | #12 | |
| mountain grammy | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| JDPriestly | Jul 2012 | #9 | |
| JayhawkSD | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| MindMover | Jul 2012 | #11 | |
| awoke_in_2003 | Jul 2012 | #15 | |
| shanti | Jul 2012 | #13 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Jul 2012 | #14 | |
| Odin2005 | Jul 2012 | #21 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Jul 2012 | #22 | |
| Iwillnevergiveup | Jul 2012 | #16 | |
| AllyCat | Jul 2012 | #17 |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:13 PM
liberal N proud (43,695 posts)
1. It is sad we have to call this excellent!
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Which it truly is and I am elated they are lead the way. But we should have coast to coast HSR by now.
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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:26 PM
Mz Pip (23,801 posts)
5. That would be wonderful
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I just spent 55 hours on the train from CA to Chicago. It was an interesting experience but I will never do it again. There were places we went through that had 10 mile per hour speed limits. I suppose I should have been glad we weren't more than 5 hours late.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:18 PM
AsahinaKimi (18,084 posts)
2. YIPPEE... ALL ABOARD!!!
Kariforunia-shū no Shinkansen ga daisuki desuyo! |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:21 PM
DonCoquixote (5,630 posts)
3. just remember to think Rick Scott
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for sending you this gift.
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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #3)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:49 PM
happerbolic (140 posts)
19. Derpy-derp Rick
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:25 PM
midnight (23,438 posts)
4. Very happy for you California.... We in Wisconsin were so close to having it too....
Response to midnight (Reply #4)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:56 AM
AllyCat (7,520 posts)
18. But now he wants to make changes to Amtrak...as rumor has it the Kochs will buy it.
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I'm glad to see Illinois to the south of us making improvments. Wish we had HSR here with all those jobs and the international draw of reasonable, modern transportation.
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Response to midnight (Reply #4)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:53 PM
happerbolic (140 posts)
20. just the control Freaks at the top of your state...
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...had other plans for your future transportation
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:17 AM
kestrel91316 (45,386 posts)
7. I doubt it will be up and running before I die. I'm 55.
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #7)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:09 AM
shanti (16,657 posts)
12. yes
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i'm 56 and despair at ever seeing this happen in my lifetime. i'm in sac, but would definitely use it! having to transfer to a bus just sucks!
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:19 AM
mountain grammy (1,598 posts)
8. Would love to see it in Colorado
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Denver has completed many miles of light rail and is working on more. The number of people using the rail is far greater than was anticipated. we Coloradans love our vehicles, but the speed and convenience are hard to beat. Why are Americans so resistant to public transportation, but love it and use it when it's available?
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:24 AM
JDPriestly (37,749 posts)
9. K&R Great news. Can't wait to take the train from Union Station to San Francisco.
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:40 AM
JayhawkSD (351 posts)
10. Unfortunately, most of that CNN story is smoke and mirrors
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For one thing the funding after this initial phase is an illusion, because it posits federal funding which is unlikely to be forthcoming, private funding which is utterly laughable, and local funding from localities which presently cannot even pay their fire and police forces. The speeds which it talks about are a complete pipe dream because much of the proposed line is based on existing rights of way which will not sustain anywhere close to those speeds. The segment presently being built is in the Eastern Central Valley and is about the least populated portion of the state, and ends 40 miles south of Merced, not at Merced as the article suggests. Not that Merced is exactly such a hotbed of economic activity.
As an example of what a farce the "high speed rail" bill that Brownie just signed really is, $100 million of the money is being spent in San Diego to perform what is essentially deferred maintenance on the trolley system. I don't think anyone in their right mind would call a 15mph trolley "high speed rail." |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #10)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:46 AM
MindMover (2,798 posts)
11. I will bet your glass is always half empty .....
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Response to MindMover (Reply #11)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:19 AM
awoke_in_2003 (18,498 posts)
15. An optimist...
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thinks the glass half full, the pessimist half empty. The engineer sees the glass not being used to its full designed capacity.
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Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:35 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,361 posts)
14. I want Amtrak to Vegas damnit!!!
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Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:39 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I'm going there next month and would LOVE to take the scenic route through the Cajon Pass.
Of course it's even nicer when there's snow. BTW: This video is kinda LOUD so mute it to really enjoy it. |
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #14)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:57 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
21. Waste of money, Vegas will be a ghost town in 100 years.
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It's the mascot of being environmentally unsustainable.
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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #21)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:07 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,361 posts)
22. You wouldn't say that if you ever went there.
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Last edited Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Get away from the casinos downtown and it's typical suburbs and strip malls.
There's plenty of water nearby too thanks to Hoover Dam which generates enough electricity that they sell the surplus to California. It's also a proving ground for solar power. |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 04:20 AM
Iwillnevergiveup (5,812 posts)
16. Great news for CA
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and hopefully for the rest of the nation sooner rather than later. Here's an informative website that shows the route and developments along individual sections.
I do believe we middle-agers will live to ride this train, yes I do. http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/trip_planner.aspx |
Response to alp227 (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:54 AM
AllyCat (7,520 posts)
17. I'm glad to see him do this.
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He's been a disappointment on many things, but this will make a difference for California workers, the environment, and those horrible traffic jams.
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