Wed Jul 18, 2012, 03:56 PM
goodhue (8,675 posts)
Despite national policy banning gays, the largest Boy Scout group in Minnesota will stay inclusive
Source: Star Tribune
Despite national policy banning gays, the largest Boy Scout group in Minnesota will stay inclusive Article by: KELLY SMITH , Star Tribune Updated: July 18, 2012 - 2:42 PM Northern Star Council welcomes gay Scouts as BSA reaffirms policy to bar "open, avowed homosexuals." Minnesota's biggest Boy Scout group said Tuesday that gays and lesbians remain welcome in its troops, despite a national announcement that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) will continue to bar leaders, employees and members who are "open or avowed homosexuals." "We're a reflection of the community," said Kent York, spokesman for the Northern Star Council, which has 75,000 Scouts in Minnesota and western Wisconsin. "Our commitment has been to reach out to all young people and have a positive influence." York said that the Twin Cities-based Scout council, one of the nation's largest, will continue to follow a 12-year-old "inclusive leadership selection" practice. * * * Read more: http://www.startribune.com/local/west/162817346.html
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15 replies, 1841 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| goodhue | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| Stargazer09 | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| benld74 | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| Gothmog | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| woo me with science | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| d_r | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| Gothmog | Jul 2012 | #7 | |
| Gothmog | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| mchill | Jul 2012 | #11 | |
| d_r | Jul 2012 | #13 | |
| Atypical Liberal | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| Odin2005 | Jul 2012 | #9 | |
| zonkers | Jul 2012 | #12 | |
| NickB79 | Jul 2012 | #15 | |
| sarisataka | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| CRK7376 | Jul 2012 | #14 |
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:11 PM
Stargazer09 (1,072 posts)
1. Good for them
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And I think it's funny (in a sad sort of way) that one mother quoted in the article wouldn't give her name, but she was supportive of the BSA's stupid decision.
My two youngest sons are in scouting, but only because our local group doesn't get preachy about religion or homosexuality. |
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:19 PM
benld74 (4,597 posts)
2. BAM! Badge Awarded!
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:25 PM
Gothmog (4,441 posts)
3. Cool. I am forwarding this article to my Troop committee chair
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He and I have visted our Council before and were assured by our leaders that they would not enforce the National policy. Most councils operate on a very intersting variation of "do'n't ask, don't tell" where the only way that the National polciy would be enforced would be if you wore your scout uniform to gay pride event
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Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:29 PM
woo me with science (19,681 posts)
4. That's the way to do it.
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Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:29 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Refuse to participate in what is wrong.
Good for them. |
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
d_r (2,834 posts)
5. most will be "dont ask dont tell"
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but that makes gay folks so vulnarble to anyone with a grudge.
I hope more local groups will take a stand. |
Response to d_r (Reply #5)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:59 PM
Gothmog (4,441 posts)
7. My troop's council has a stricter version of Don't, Ask, Don't Tell
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Basically, my understanding of the unofficial rules for the Sam Houston Area Council is that you are okay so long as a leader does not wear their scout uniform to a gay pride event.
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Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:57 PM
Gothmog (4,441 posts)
6. This is from this council's website
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This is from the website for this council. http://www.northernstarbsa.org/News.aspx?articleID=1242 and http://www.northernstarbsa.org/AboutUs/Leadership/Inclusiveness.aspx I have forwarded this to my troop's scoutmaster and committee chair.
One fallback position has been that so long as the chartering organization does not care, then a troop should be allowed to established the standards for their leaders. I have no desire to force a LDS troop to accept a gay leader but the LDS units should not have a say in my troop's leadership. I seem to remember that a New York council tried to adopt some less restrictive rules but these rules were changed by the national organization. I used to post on scouts-l which is a listserve for scouting leaders. That listserve had some strict rules about discussing the three Gs, G-d, Gays and Girls. |
Response to Gothmog (Reply #6)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:37 PM
mchill (190 posts)
11. LDS Troops
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are exclusively LDS and the leaders are appointed by the Bishops and Stake Presidents so nobody would force a gay leader on them. I can't remember what the exact figure is, but 49% or 51% of BSA membership is LDS. Every boy in the LDS church is required to join the BSA.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #6)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:25 AM
d_r (2,834 posts)
13. thanks for posting this
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I've been trying to think what I can do.
I'm going with popcorn. I'm going to encourage our pack not to sell popcorn. We'll have our own fundraiser and keep all the money, rather than selling popcorn and splitting the money with the council and nationals. |
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:55 PM
Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)
8. This is great!
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As an Eagle Scout, I'm glad of this. I did not know that local councils could override the national. I hope this spreads.
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Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:18 PM
Odin2005 (48,255 posts)
9. We Minnesotans do things differently.
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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #9)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:56 PM
zonkers (4,711 posts)
12. Good for you guys.
Response to Odin2005 (Reply #9)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:39 PM
NickB79 (9,414 posts)
15. It's a good sign that we'll defeat that stupid marriage amendment this fall. nt
Response to goodhue (Original post)
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:25 PM
sarisataka (2,170 posts)
10. I have a couple friends on the council
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I will have to thank them, next time I see them.
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Response to goodhue (Original post)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:18 AM
CRK7376 (1,551 posts)
14. Good for them!
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As an Eagle Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts, I think that the stand the Twin Lakes Council is taking is a good one. Who cares whom other adults love, what difference does it make. Are they providing a positive role model to a young man? That's what is important about the Boy Scout program.
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