Pence Casts Historic Tie-Breaking Vote to Confirm DeVos
Source: Roll Call
For the first time ever, the vice president was called to Capitol Hill to break the tie on a vote to confirm a member of the Cabinet.
Vice President Mike Pence presided over the Senate for the first time since being sworn in just over two weeks ago, and cast the tie-breaking vote, 51-50, to confirm Betsy DeVos as the next Education Secretary. The vice president has never done so before, according to the Senate Historians office.
That DeVos could not garner support from the GOP-led Senate underscored her weakness as a nominee, Democrats argued.
Shed come into the department as a very weak Secretary of Education, said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. I think to the extent she thought she was going to get major policy changes passed through Congress, that will be made much more difficult.
Read more: http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/pence-casts-historic-tie-breaking-vote-confirm-devos
msdogi
(430 posts)Here's a game, name one person part of the regime who IS qualified!
somehow that seems to be the point.
jmowreader
(50,546 posts)This particular one is highly qualified at utter devastation.
IronLionZion
(45,409 posts)as in they are qualified to lead people down to certain doom according to plan.
So we now have DeVos who is qualified to completely destroy education as we know it. School makes people soft like snowflakes. She knows we need kids to toughen up and keep guns to fight off grizzly bears.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Privatize the schools, give the federal money to the evangelical churches.
Educating children is not even an afterthought.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)3catwoman3
(23,967 posts)...them, then. Their protest was meaningless.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)cstanleytech
(26,276 posts)of getting her into the office as their end game is to destroy the education system to create a vast uneducated voter base that is easy to manipulate and control in 10 to 20 years from now via the media.
sakabatou
(42,146 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,116 posts)tar and feather him with the results
Initech
(100,056 posts)Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)None. No one should be surprised.
Initech
(100,056 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)if we thought america has been dumbing down since reagan just watch.
i called almost every day but of course i'm in NC so my words fell on deaf ears. i can only hope that burr and tillis sleep badly and find themselves ousted at the next election.
harun
(11,348 posts)IronLionZion
(45,409 posts)When are people going to wake up and vote?
Initech
(100,056 posts)The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! In one breath they'll blast Hillary for running a child sex ring under a pizza parlor, while in the next they'll pretend the massacre of 22 children didn't happen. In one breath they'll scream about education, but in the next they nominate and confirm a dangerous idealogue with absolutely zero experience as Secretary Of Education. Fuck them, they don't care.
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Until that life form is actually born. Then it's tough luck and go live in abject poverty, kids. And piss on your mom, too.
Initech
(100,056 posts)"When you're pre born, you're fine. When you're pre-school, you're fucked!"
Truer words ever spoken!
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)gademocrat7
(10,651 posts)The stench of pure evil and incompetence surrounds this cabal.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)She'll probably damage the republicans more than the education department. We just need to make sure that her actions (and other cabinet members actions) are reported on widely.
This is one that I think the conservatives are gonna wish they lost.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)and were shouted down. The chickens are now coming home to roost ........
BumRushDaShow
(128,730 posts)so that 9 of the 13 Circuits are Democratically controlled due to having those Democratic appointees confirmed once the nuclear option was invoked.
Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President. The Appeals judges are in for life. So the patting of your own back is silly.
By JEREMY W. PETERSSEPT. 13, 2014
WASHINGTON Democrats have reversed the partisan imbalance on the federal appeals courts that long favored conservatives, a little-noticed shift with far-reaching consequences for the law and President Obamas legacy. For the first time in more than a decade, judges appointed by Democratic presidents considerably outnumber judges appointed by Republican presidents. The Democrats advantage has only grown since late last year when they stripped Republicans of their ability to filibuster the presidents nominees.
Democratic appointees who hear cases full time now hold a majority of seats on nine of the 13 United States Courts of Appeals. When Mr. Obama took office, only one of those courts had more full-time judges nominated by a Democrat.
The shift, one of the most significant but unheralded accomplishments of the Obama era, is likely to have ramifications for how the courts decide the legality of some of the presidents most controversial actions on health care, immigration and clean air. Since todays Congress has been a graveyard for legislative accomplishment, these judicial confirmations are likely to be among its most enduring acts.
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The imprint of the Obama judges is already being felt. In July, when the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit issued an opinion declaring Virginias same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional, the author was an Obama appointee, Henry F. Floyd. That court now has 10 full-time judges appointed by Democratic presidents and five who are Republican appointees. When Mr. Obama took office, the court had a majority of Republican appointees.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/us/politics/building-legacy-obama-reshapes-appellate-bench.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8515351
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)arguments both ways. I thought at the time and still think that the filibuster gave the minority party an important tool to moderate the majority. Not many here were sympathetic to that position.
Not only is Devos now the Secretary of Education the President will be able to stack as many hard core judges to the federal courts for life as possible.
The real question is was it worth it? It is TOTTALY possible to think it was. I just don't share that opinion.
BumRushDaShow
(128,730 posts)What I posted was in reference to the culmination of the extreme blockage of Obama's appointees after the 2012 election, to the point where after major efforts and negotiations and compromises had to happen to get NLRB seats filled (since the board could no longer function due to the vacancies), Turtle basically directed that they would block everyone else.
I.e., the amount of filibusters and cloture votes skyrocketed under Obama and I see that apparently some on DU cheered this. In fact, there were those on DU who insisted all Obama need do was stamp his feet and pound the podium and "use the bully pulpit" and other such bullshit, to get his people an up or down vote.
It had to end.
The immediate matter at hand was the GOP's decision to block three nominations by President Obama to the influential D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Republicans refused to confirm Robert Wilkins, Nina Pillard and Patricia Millett not on grounds of their qualifications or even ideology but because they argued the court's workload doesn't demand more judges. That stance also happened to preserve a partisan division on the court that tended to favor Republicans.
"Enough is enough," Obama told reporters at the White House, applauding the vote. "This isn't obstruction on substance, on qualifications. It's just to gum up the works." He noted that use of the filibusters to block confirmations had exploded in recent years. Twenty of his U.S. District Court nominees have faced filibusters, compared with just three before he took office.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/21/first-take-senate-partisanship-nuclear-option-filibuster/3663141/
And no, Drumpf can't "stack as many hard core judges to the federal courts for life as possible", because Obama was able to fill many of the vacancies - the most critical being at the Appeals Court level because of the lifting of the filibuster for general appointees. In total (all levels), Obama was able to put in 329. Many of these lower appointees get in through "Unanimous Consent" and any Democrat can put a "hold" on such motions meaning each and every one would have to go through an actual recorded vote (meaning 30 hours of debate beforehand unless negotiated and agreed to for a lesser number of debate hours, etc) - assuming the Democratic Senators are on board to use the same tactics used by the GOP before 2014.
And as a note, the SCOTUS pick is NOT subject to that rules change. The GOP may consider heeding Drumpf and doing a nuclear option for the SCOTUS but then the question becomes whether the GOP can get enough votes to reach 51 (they needed Pence today just to get DeVos in).
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)and can increase it at any time and Trump would fill all those vacancies.
So simple question - was it worth it for the Senate in 2013 to get rid of the filibuster for all appointments except SCOTUS to get President Obama's appointments seated given what that now allows Trump to do?
BumRushDaShow
(128,730 posts)The same can happen to the Republicans. Yes it was worth it in that instance because Democrats now control 9 of 13 Circuit Courts of Appeals where before that we only controlled 1 of the 13.
The GOP wants "less government" so the fiscal conservatives are going to eventually wake up and balk at any "increasing" of anything that must be paid for out of the Treasury. The rules are not set in stone and can be changed. Right now, the GOP is getting an earful so it's only a matter of time before the bloodlust dissipates. See the election of 2006 as an example of the citizenry waking up. You have a lunatic with a twitter handle who is wearing out his welcome among his party.
So simple question, are you going to continue to argue for all or nothing governance? Certainly I know Obama was hated on this board but the depth of such continues to be quite breathtaking.
And as a sidenote - and keep this in mind as I am headed out.... This entire system of government operates on a principle of an "honor system". At any time, any individual in power in any branch can break the whole system and then that will be "the end". I.e., the President can refuse to honor the courts and if no one begins impeachment hearings (or other criminal proceedings), then the system will be done after 230 years. Think about it. It's deep.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)Senators block with less than 51 votes.
Of course I remember President Obamas appointments being blocked - that was what led to the nuclear option being used. Now we are seeing the fruits of that choice.
BumRushDaShow
(128,730 posts)What this means is that those hundreds of lesser positions (including lower court judges) that one might think will get "packed" into office in large swoops, can be blocked by 1 person refusing to go along with any "Unanimous Consent" motion, thus forcing them to go through the debate process and a formal vote for each and every one. Someone would have to be present to object to the Unanimous Consent however. But doing this consistently will take up Senate floor time and thus generally forces scheduling for confirmation of those types of vacancies, to the back burner - notably because Bannon/Drumpf have bigger fish to fry.
There are parliamentary moves that Democrats can use that they have not used yet (maybe in some effort to "pick the fight" .
BumRushDaShow
(128,730 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)dchill
(38,464 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Those are Trump voters.
It's the urban schools that will continue to exist, but without even the piddly funding they currently suffer through.
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)But really that goes for all the rest of the puke monsters that masquerade as U. S. Senators.
I have zero respect for our government at ever level and all associated institutions, if I had the money I would no longer be a citizen or resident of this plutocracy pretending to be a democracy.
I use to love history and the traditions of the US it all now appears to be sham.
flygal
(3,231 posts)the war is on to take back the House in '18. these rep fuckers won't stand up to twitler.
elmac
(4,642 posts)married into money and money was all he ever cared about. + he screwed indigenous people out of their land.
bdamomma
(63,819 posts)going to have these children work in sweat shops again.
The repigs are evil and greedy. STORM THEIR OFFICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)The worst pick EVER !!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)their yes votes and that their stance will not be forgotten and will have negative consequences. Tell them your voice against them will last until they are booted out by the same people they have ignored and disrespected.
And tell them they are as incompetent and ignorant as DeVos.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)mvd
(65,169 posts)The largest volume to Capitol switchboards ever, and not ONE more Repuke changes their mind. Only power and greed matter to these people. They won't even think about our children. They only respond to elections (because they have to), and we MUST win in 2018 and 2020. I still think Trump does something so bad and/or insane that he will be out well before 4 years.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Remember THIS day. Pence now gets to teach kids the exceptional sort of stupid that comes from American Christianity, which means the Chinese overlords will barely consider them useful as cattle feed.
elmac
(4,642 posts)he is a rightwing terrorist.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Pence will never have the charisma that Trump does. He is not exciting and the stuff these republicans will do to our country will be noticed. Pence will never get away with what Trump has gotten away with.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,860 posts)Along with anti public education Betsy DeVos we have an EPA nomination who's anti environment and a Treasury Secretary who's anti regulation on Wall Street.
Thanks Dumbfuckistan. Trump truly loves the uneducated.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)education, science, etc.
PSPS
(13,584 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)money can buy you anything in corrupt USA