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mahatmakanejeeves

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Mon Feb 6, 2017, 11:24 AM Feb 2017

Torture Memos author John Yoo says Trump has gone too far

Source: The Hill

Torture Memos author John Yoo says Trump has gone too far

By Mallory Shelbourne - 02/06/17 08:32 AM EST

John Yoo, a former Justice Department attorney known for writing legal memorandums on enhanced interrogation tactics known as the Torture Memos, says President Donald Trump has gone too far in his use of executive power.

In a New York Times op-ed on Monday,* Yoo argues that Trump's use of executive power is worrisome. ... He should understand the Constitutions grant of executive power, Yoo wrote, referencing Alexander Hamilton, who co-wrote the Federalist Papers, a series of essays on the Constitution.

He should share Hamiltons vision of an energetic president leading the executive branch in a unified direction, rather than viewing the government as the enemy. He should realize that the Constitution channels the president toward protecting the nation from foreign threats, while cooperating with Congress on matters at home.
Yoo said Trump, as commander in chief, does not have the constitutional authority to order the construction of a border wall, nor does he have the power to terminate trade deals negotiated by Congress, like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

Yoo said that Trumps executive order imposing a temporary ban on nationals from seven predominantly Muslim countries entering the United States falls with the law, but noted reports that Trump had originally sought a Muslim ban. Yoo said such an order would violate the Constitutions protection for freedom of religion or its prohibition on the state establishment of religion.

* https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/opinion/executive-power-run-amok.html

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/318031-torture-memos-author-john-yoo-says-trump-has-gone-too-far



What is past is prologue.

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Torture Memos author John Yoo says Trump has gone too far (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2017 OP
He should be writing from prison himself yurbud Feb 2017 #1
He must be upset he didn't get named torture czar or something. yurbud Feb 2017 #2
The torture guy is worried? milestogo Feb 2017 #3
Yeah. I can't cheer Yoo for any reason. Solly Mack Feb 2017 #4
This what YOU and your ilk have wrought, you overweening asshole! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #5
Fuck Yoo heaven05 Feb 2017 #6
:) laserhaas Feb 2017 #7
Hopefully Yoo get's to share a cell someday with Trump, and they can talk all about it. harun Feb 2017 #8
Fuck Yoo. Iggo Feb 2017 #9
Sorry. Saw this after I posted. yardwork Feb 2017 #11
Can't be said enough. Iggo Feb 2017 #13
Fuck John Yoo. yardwork Feb 2017 #10
A blast from the past: A brief primer designed to help you understand the twisted logic of John Yoo Brother Buzz Feb 2017 #12
Wow! It Finally Has Happened... TomCADem Feb 2017 #14

Brother Buzz

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12. A blast from the past: A brief primer designed to help you understand the twisted logic of John Yoo
Mon Feb 6, 2017, 09:32 PM
Feb 2017

By Jon Carroll
January 2, 2006

Perhaps you have been unable to follow the intricacies of the logic used by John Yoo, the UC Berkeley law professor who has emerged as the president's foremost apologist for all the stuff he has to apologize for. I have therefore prepared a brief, informal summary of the relevant arguments.

Why does the president have the power to unilaterally authorize wiretaps of American citizens?

Because he is the president.

Does the president always have that power?

No. Only when he is fighting the war on terror does he have that power.

When will the war on terror be over?

The fight against terror is eternal. Terror is not a nation; it is a tactic. As long as the president is fighting a tactic, he can use any means he deems appropriate.

Why does the president have that power?

It's in the Constitution.

Where in the Constitution?

It can be inferred from the Constitution. When the president is protecting America, he may by definition make any inference from the Constitution that he chooses. He is keeping America safe.

Who decides what measures are necessary to keep America safe?

The president.

Who has oversight over the actions of the president?

The president oversees his own actions. If at any time he determines that he is a danger to America, he has the right to wiretap himself, name himself an enemy combatant and spirit himself away to a secret prison in Egypt.

But isn't there a secret court, the FISA court, that has the power to authorize wiretapping warrants? Wasn't that court set up for just such situations when national security is at stake?

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court might disagree with the president. It might thwart his plans. It is a danger to the democracy that we hold so dear. We must never let the courts stand in the way of America's safety.

So there are no guarantees that the president will act in the best interests of the country?

The president was elected by the people. They chose him; therefore he represents the will of the people. The people would never act against their own interests; therefore, the president can never act against the best interests of the people. It's a doctrine I like to call "the triumph of the will."

But surely the Congress was also elected by the people, and therefore also represents the will of the people. Is that not true?

Congress? Please.
It's sounding more and more as if your version of the presidency resembles an absolute monarchy. Does it?

Of course not. We Americans hate kings. Kings must wear crowns and visit trade fairs and expositions. The president only wears a cowboy hat and visits military bases, and then only if he wants to.

Can the president authorize torture?

No. The president can only authorize appropriate means.

Could those appropriate means include torture?

It's not torture if the president says it's not torture. It's merely appropriate. Remember, America is under constant attack from terrorism. The president must use any means necessary to protect America.

Won't the American people object?

Not if they're scared enough.

What if the Supreme Court rules against the president?

The president has respect for the Supreme Court. We are a nation of laws, not of men. In the unlikely event that the court would rule against the president, he has the right to deny that he was ever doing what he was accused of doing, and to keep further actions secret. He also has the right to rename any practices the court finds repugnant. "Wiretapping" could be called "protective listening." There's nothing the matter with protective listening.

Recently, a White House spokesman defended the wiretaps this way: "This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner. These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings and churches." If these very bad people have blown up churches, why not just arrest them?

That information is classified.

Have many weddings been blown up by terrorists?

No, they haven't, which is proof that the system works. The president does reserve the right to blow up gay terrorist weddings -- but only if he determines that the safety of the nation is at stake. The president is also keeping his eye on churches, many of which have become fonts of sedition. I do not believe that the president has any problem with commuter trains, although that could always change.

So this policy will be in place right up until the next election?

Election? Let's just say that we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It may not be wise to have an election in a time of national peril.

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