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Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:14 AM

Two killed, 19 injured in Toronto shooting

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Two people were killed and at least 19 injured in a shooting at an outdoor party in Toronto, police said on Tuesday, raising fresh fears of a rise in gun crime in Canada's largest city.

Police said it was too early to say what prompted the shooting late on Monday in which a young man and young woman were killed. Many of those hurt were injured in the panic that ensued after shots were fired.

"This is the most serious crime of its kind to ever take place in the city of Toronto," Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair told reporters at the scene.

Coming barely six weeks after a shooting at a shopping mall that killed one and wounded six, it is likely to raise fears about the use of guns in a city which takes pride in its relatively low crime rate compared with U.S. urban centers.



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/17/us-shooting-toronto-idUSBRE86G07R20120717

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Rhiannon12866 Jul 2012 OP
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #1
Rhiannon12866 Jul 2012 #2
Posteritatis Jul 2012 #4
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #3
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #10
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #24
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #42
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #46
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #48
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #12
MicaelS Jul 2012 #6
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #11
Electric Monk Jul 2012 #13
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #14
MicaelS Jul 2012 #17
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #18
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #26
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #33
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #37
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #44
4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #40
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #43
4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #45
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #47
4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #51
snooper2 Jul 2012 #53
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #55
snooper2 Jul 2012 #56
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #57
4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #54
MicaelS Jul 2012 #27
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #34
sarisataka Jul 2012 #31
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #35
sarisataka Jul 2012 #36
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #38
sarisataka Jul 2012 #39
uh clem Jul 2012 #5
Posteritatis Jul 2012 #7
PavePusher Jul 2012 #8
Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #9
hack89 Jul 2012 #28
Monk06 Jul 2012 #50
wordpix Jul 2012 #15
loli phabay Jul 2012 #16
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #30
Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #19
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #20
Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #21
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #32
ileus Jul 2012 #22
Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #23
Remmah2 Jul 2012 #25
Posteritatis Jul 2012 #29
applegrove Jul 2012 #41
Tejas Jul 2012 #52

Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:45 AM

1. I'm not allowed in the Gun advocate forum ,so let me take

this opputunity, to ask how your feeling first ? and secondly Guns in most cases are unecessary Deadly Toys.We will never see the carnage in Canada ,we enjoy here.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 07:36 AM

2. Aren't you really?!

I have a feeling you're in good company.

And thanks for asking. I keep meaning to reply to Steve's thread. That certainly came as a surprise. I probably have bronchitis, but I'm feeling better than I did this weekend.

I also saw "Bowling for Columbine" more than once, so I know that Canada doesn't experience the gun violence we have here, despite a much higher rate of gun ownership. I think that's the reason this is such big news. It's the worst that they've experienced.

Good to see you, my friend! I hope that all is well with you (both).

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:16 PM

4. Yeah, something like this is pretty unprecedented

Things on that scale still happen now and then, but they're rare enough that multiple shootings pretty much always make national headlines. I know I'm stunned by it.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:13 AM

3. Guns are not "toys".

 

What are Canada's gun laws?

Was alcohol involved?

Were gangs involved?

If you enjoy carnage then maybe you are part of the problem.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:00 PM

10. Carnage and guns run hand in hand

I'm Against both , " DEADLY TOYS " IS WHAT I WROTE , if your going to quote .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:39 AM

24. You're not being quoted.

 

Don't worry.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:06 PM

42. " Oh " " "

How do you indicate a quote ,I know you people have your own sense of punctuation.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #42)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:06 PM

46. Apparently you as well. nt

 

nt

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:09 AM

48. Is this a quotation mark " ?

I knew you'd know .

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:10 PM

12. And " ENJOY " was sarcasm.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:42 PM

6. "Not allowed in the Gun advocate forum"???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1172

Blocked Members

No members are blocked from this group.


So what do you mean that by that crack?

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 08:59 PM

13. We can't read your inbox. nt

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:45 PM

14. The message read that I could no longer

participate or that I was blocked from that Group.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:52 PM

17. Maybe it was temporary, but as of right now

No one is blocked from that group. Of course if you come in there and act as a shit-stirrer that could get you blocked.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:15 AM

18. Like asking questions like ,

Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:30 AM - Edit history (2)

How much financial help does the NRA offer victims as opposed to the accused when people get shot?Wouldn't want to disturb anyones 2nd amendment lust ,or question the 100% advocacy in virtually every story or post .I probably should avoid that group ,as I do have an inclination to shit on GUN NUTS , and I've never got involved in a discussion about Guns ,unless it was in the Main General Discussion Forum ,which my dumb-ass took as an invite to comment ,check out my next comment on the subject.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:52 AM

26. I do hate the term "GUN NUTS"

 

"as I do have an inclination to shit on GUN NUTS "


But I do guess it beats having no nuts.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #26)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:29 PM

33. It Can't Kill you ,have fun with your

Nuts. I hate making light of Life and Death .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:41 PM

37. That's irrational fear. nt

 

nt

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:13 PM

44. That makes sense , I guess ?

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:12 PM

40. Gee I can't imagine why you might not feel welcome in that group

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:11 PM

43. I was blocked ,I didn't feel unwanted

I felt like I asked questions without NRA answers , Hence dubbed insensitive and over the top ,I serve as judge I knew what I was doing ,and Proud of it .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #43)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:34 PM

45. According to the group you weren't blocked

 

And from what I've seen you're pretty combative and willing to broad-brush smear anyone you disagree with.

You're "just asking questions" in the same way Glenn Beck just asks questions.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:00 AM

47. Sure thing ,Rush

How much moral ,financial ,or legal support does the NRA give VICTIMS of gun violence ? You " Gun Nuts " are as forth coming with my answer ,as mitt is with his taxes .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:41 AM

49. That's kinda what I'm talking about

 

you start with an insult then go on to derail the conversation by "just asking questions" that are silly and have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

How much money does the ACLU give to victims of hate crimes? None. That's not their job.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:39 PM

51. Nice diversion tactic Rush.

See ya

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 07:13 PM

53. And jesus wept

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 09:05 PM

55. You should get help , for that

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #55)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:03 AM

56. Really not following you here, is that comma in the wrong spot?

It's like saying-
Can you move over, the salt

And you know what, I was wrong. Jesus really never has time to cry. He's too busy pissing on the carpet (see evidence in video)


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Response to snooper2 (Reply #56)

Sat Jul 21, 2012, 08:52 AM

57. Unless guns are your religion , you are

not my comma.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:36 PM

54. . . .

 

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 12:26 PM

27. Those insults mean....

It would be probably be a good idea to stay out. kripos42 is a good Host, he wouldn't block you from the Group unless you got really nasty.

I on the other hand, coupling your insults with your piss poor punctuation, would cause me to block you in a heartbeat.



Good thing for you I'm not a Host.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:32 PM

34. woo, fear power ,sorry about my punctuation ,

Not the message .

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 02:43 PM

31. Do you take exception

to being called a "gun grabber" "banner" or any other insults?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:33 PM

35. No because I am.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:37 PM

36. i give you credit

For honesty.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:47 PM

38. And by your avatar I suspect I owe

You thanks , for Protecting my right to run my pie-hole. Thanks.

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:08 PM

39. De nada

we can agree to disagree and celebrate being in a country that allows us to piss each other off

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 01:19 PM

5. I'm willing to bet...

...that the gun lovers considered the shooter to be a responsible gun owner right up until he pulled the trigger. His weapon was probably legally purchased as well.

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Response to uh clem (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:21 PM

7. I somehow doubt that'll fly here. (nt)

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Response to uh clem (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 02:32 PM

8. Feel free to cite to some evidence... at any time. n/t

 

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:35 PM

9. American style shooting in Canada

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Response to Liberal_in_LA (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:11 PM

28. Because Canada has a fast growing American style gang problem

One of them might be an increase in the gang subculture, where young people, who have beefs or conflicts with one another because of the subculture they’re ingrained in, just don’t – pardon the language – give a fuck. I’m actually paraphrasing a lot of the men that I’ve interviewed that are involved in gangs. They’ll just say, “Nobody messes with me. And if you are going to insult me, or fight me or push me in a public area, I’m going to come back and use extreme violence, because nobody does that to me.”

Some people are wondering, why isn’t this happening in back alleys? Sometimes it’s because the people don’t care if they get caught. Other times, they’re actually trying to enhance their reputation. If you have an audience that has seen you use extreme violence with little regard for others, does that enhance your reputation as somebody not to be messed with?


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/07/17/f-toronto-shooting-canada-crime-trends.html?cmp=rss

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Response to hack89 (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 06:36 PM

50. I wonder if this has to do with the crackdown on the Shower Posse?

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:53 PM

15. I'm interested to know if this was a legally bought gun or illegal, possibly from US

Since our purchase laws are so lax and so many US guns end up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels, that is.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:08 PM

16. none of my guns have, probuably the justice dept has given them more guns than all the members of DU

 

who have guns

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Response to wordpix (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 02:08 PM

30. Laxed or uninforced? nt

 

nt

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:42 AM

19. kick and rec

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:46 AM

20. My Brother !!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up ?

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:48 AM

21. Hey man! How are ya!

Nothing new on my end - status quo, except for the @#$%& heat!!!

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:25 PM

32. Stay coool , Ali sends her love .

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:29 AM

22. Guns and ammo in the hands of the public is a bad idea

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:35 AM

23. I like how the mayor felt he had to add his "We're not Detroit" sideswipe...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 11:50 AM

25. Like no criminals, thugs, or gangs exist in Canada.

 

"Police suspect gangs behind Toronto BBQ shooting that killed 2, injured 24"


http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/dead+wounded+shooting+Toronto+community+barbecue+trampled/6945497/story.html

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 01:49 PM

29. While Toronto's mayor is a colossal, thundering asshole of a man...

Detroit passed 300 homicides in 2010 to all of Canada's 554. That sort of situation in a major city close to the border tends to give it a reputation.

Of course, that doesn't change what I said about Mayor Ford. He's been rapidly upgrading himself from "classless municipal embarrassment" to "classless national embarrassment" over the course of the last year - it's the chief thing he's actually good at.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Wed Jul 18, 2012, 08:12 PM

41. And a bevy of federal conservative politicians have made statements in sympathy with the victims...

no doubt worried that their pro NRA policies has turned Toronto into a mess.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Original post)

Thu Jul 19, 2012, 07:09 PM

52. He's a good boy, but that gun is a no count worthless sumanabitch!

 

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