Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:53 PM
Blue Gardener (3,933 posts)
State senate candidate drops out, says she’ll be part of alternate government
Source: Cedar Rapids Gazette
UPDATE: Iowa Republicans plan to choose another candidate to run in Senate District 34 against Democrat Liz Mathis, after Randi Shannon bailed on the race to pursue leadership in an alternate form of government. Shannon, who describes herself as an entrepreneur and homeschooling mom, released a four-page message Friday saying she is now the senator of the Republic of the United States of America and the Republic for Iowa. The group believes that America’s original form of government, a collection of republics, was usurped in 1871 by a corporation called the United States Corporation, according to the group’s website. Read more: http://thegazette.com/2012/07/13/state-senate-candidate-drops-out-says-she-will-be-part-of-alternate-government-2/ Apparently Iowa has their fair share of crackpots. The Cedar Rapids Gazette website has a four page letter she wrote explaining her decision.
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| Blue Gardener | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| Scuba | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| msanthrope | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| Canuckistanian | Jul 2012 | #19 | |
| Posteritatis | Jul 2012 | #50 | |
| DontTreadOnMe | Jul 2012 | #51 | |
| FSogol | Jul 2012 | #53 | |
| annabanana | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| FiveGoodMen | Jul 2012 | #12 | |
| bupkus | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| libinnyandia | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Jul 2012 | #14 | |
| libinnyandia | Jul 2012 | #22 | |
| Incitatus | Jul 2012 | #34 | |
| Enrique | Jul 2012 | #7 | |
| Oldtimeralso | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| Thor_MN | Jul 2012 | #41 | |
| Oldtimeralso | Jul 2012 | #46 | |
| Thor_MN | Jul 2012 | #48 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #9 | |
| Raster | Jul 2012 | #11 | |
| Posteritatis | Jul 2012 | #57 | |
| Historic NY | Jul 2012 | #29 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #33 | |
| BattyDem | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #15 | |
| FiveGoodMen | Jul 2012 | #17 | |
| bloomington-lib | Jul 2012 | #13 | |
| DRoseDARs | Jul 2012 | #20 | |
| wordpix | Jul 2012 | #30 | |
| DRoseDARs | Jul 2012 | #16 | |
| NuttyFluffers | Jul 2012 | #39 | |
| Blue Gardener | Jul 2012 | #18 | |
| longship | Jul 2012 | #23 | |
| Bossy Monkey | Jul 2012 | #21 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #24 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #25 | |
| freshwest | Jul 2012 | #35 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #36 | |
| freshwest | Jul 2012 | #38 | |
| struggle4progress | Jul 2012 | #26 | |
| drm604 | Jul 2012 | #27 | |
| nanabugg | Jul 2012 | #28 | |
| 24601 | Jul 2012 | #31 | |
| proud patriot | Jul 2012 | #32 | |
| alp227 | Jul 2012 | #37 | |
| NuttyFluffers | Jul 2012 | #40 | |
| randome | Jul 2012 | #42 | |
| sofa king | Jul 2012 | #43 | |
| auburngrad82 | Jul 2012 | #44 | |
| Blue Gardener | Jul 2012 | #47 | |
| surrealAmerican | Jul 2012 | #45 | |
| ohgeewhiz | Jul 2012 | #49 | |
| FSogol | Jul 2012 | #54 | |
| d_r | Jul 2012 | #52 | |
| ieoeja | Jul 2012 | #55 | |
| KamaAina | Jul 2012 | #56 |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:56 PM
Scuba (26,782 posts)
1. Corn gets fermented sometimes.
Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:11 PM
msanthrope (16,505 posts)
5. I just put water through my nose, thanks to you!!! nt
Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:28 PM
Canuckistanian (42,204 posts)
19. LOL
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Oh, yeah
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Response to Scuba (Reply #1)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:05 PM
Posteritatis (17,299 posts)
50. Annnnnd Scuba wins the thread. (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #50)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 01:21 PM
DontTreadOnMe (1,585 posts)
51. me too... spilled my coffee
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DUzy Nominee
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:56 PM
annabanana (45,587 posts)
2. LOOK OUT! Republicans will be "mainstreaming" it next year!
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There is NOTHING too nutz for the new repubs!
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Response to annabanana (Reply #2)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:00 PM
FiveGoodMen (13,238 posts)
12. "There is NOTHING too nutz for the new repubs!"
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Truer words were never spoken.
I did not believe the human race could fall this far. |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
bupkus This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:03 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,186 posts)
4. Oh please, make it stop!
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Does she say if she would like Ohio to join Jesusland, or is it going to be its own little Duchy?
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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #4)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:13 PM
libinnyandia (1,374 posts)
6. Iowa. Iowa has some crazy people including Rep Steve King, but most aren't that crazy.
Response to libinnyandia (Reply #6)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:07 PM
Egalitarian Thug (7,186 posts)
14. Oops.
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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #14)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
libinnyandia (1,374 posts)
22. That's ok. A lot of people mix up the 2, especially back east. During my 20+ years in NYC most
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people thought I was from Ohio.
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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #4)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:49 PM
Incitatus (4,208 posts)
34. Remember that Seinfeld episode where he made a guy
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laugh to death?
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:22 PM
Enrique (22,643 posts)
7. their Speaker of the House goes by “Rowdy”
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She met with other leaders in the Republic of the United States of America and was appointed senator by the group’s Iowa delegation, which includes four house members, treasurer, judge and governor.
The Iowa group’s speaker of the house, George “Rowdy” Templer, of Davenport, said the group believes citizens have been burdened by the cost of the current government. The Republic of the United States of America would abolish federal taxes and require citizens to approve all state and local taxes. |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:29 PM
Oldtimeralso (1,395 posts)
8. IOWA
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Owe the World an Apology |
Response to Oldtimeralso (Reply #8)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 08:57 AM
Thor_MN (4,606 posts)
41. Idiots Out Wandering Around
Response to Thor_MN (Reply #41)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 12:55 AM
Oldtimeralso (1,395 posts)
46. sorry but it is...
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Idiots Out Wandering Aimlessly
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Response to Oldtimeralso (Reply #46)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:30 AM
Thor_MN (4,606 posts)
48. Tomato...
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Either one, standard, next state over put downs.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:36 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
9. Eastern Iowa state Senate candidate drops bid;says she has been appointed ‘Republic’ Senator instead
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3:29 PM, Jul 13, 2012 | by Jason Noble
The Republican candidate for a state Senate seat in eastern Iowa has ended her campaign and instead declared herself a U.S. Senator for the state of Iowa. In a letter dated July 4, the candidate, Randi Shannon of Coralville, argued that the legitimate federal government of the United States was replaced by illegitimate “corporate” government in 1871 and has been operating since then in violation of the U.S. Constitution. She learned this fact just recently, she said, and has come to believe it after months of research. Dropping her bid for state office was a rejection of that illegitimate government. Now, she said she has been appointed to serve as a U.S. senator in the recently revived and constitutionally legitimate Republic of the United States of America. She was placed in the office, she said, by Iowa’s four U.S. House members in the “Republic” government ... http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/07/13/eastern-iowa-state-senate-candidate-drops-bid-says-she-has-been-appointed-u-s-senator-instead/ Wish her success on her new planet |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:58 PM
Raster (12,615 posts)
11. "...months of research."
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Response to Raster (Reply #11)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 09:16 PM
Posteritatis (17,299 posts)
57. She actually means four hours over the night of June 30/July 1. (nt)
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 10:35 PM
Historic NY (19,736 posts)
29. Bagger, truther or militia......or just plain crazy.
Response to Historic NY (Reply #29)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:41 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
33. It's the "sovereign citizen" crowd -- fellow-travelers with the militia folk
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They spew truckloads of verbal manure -- but they apparently really believe the crap they spew, they're sometimes organized, and they can be quite a nuisance
Phony court judgments and phony arrest warrants issued by these wackos have too often in the past been assumed to be legitimate by folk who should have known better, causing all sorts of headaches. That they believe what they say, frequently leads to a dead-set-and-determined-to-kill-or-be-killed attitude, as illustrated by some links down thread But it's also la-la-land. Look up what they're screeching loudly about: the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871, which unified the various DC governments that existed before then. They have some crackpot theory about how the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 replaced our earlier constitutional government by an all powerful corporation called "The United States" |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:50 PM
BattyDem (11,055 posts)
10. Is insanity a requirement of the GOP?
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Response to BattyDem (Reply #10)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:08 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
15. GOP has been painting itself into the Fruits-n-Nuts section for years
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #15)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:24 PM
FiveGoodMen (13,238 posts)
17. AND they're effectively running the show!
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We need to face the fact that the whole country is nuts or these people would have no positions of power.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:03 PM
bloomington-lib (803 posts)
13. Get enough people to join you and the crackpots become powerful.
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How likely is it that if Obama wins, they'll attempt some sort of coup? I'm not talking about these crazies, but the right in particular, with their alternate govt and their supposed moral majority.
If they did attempt it, does the US have the ability or safeguards to stop it? |
Response to bloomington-lib (Reply #13)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:29 PM
DRoseDARs (4,941 posts)
20. Depends on how large an uprising we're talking. Bunch of beer-swilling couch potatoes? Pretty safe.
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Quasi-paramilitary weekend warrior militias could do some domestic damage and cause casualties much like terrorists could (and yes, I'm separating the two groups, they are not necessarily the same, no matter how much you may despise them or they you), but they'd be dead very quickly once the National Guard and/or the US military is once again brought to bare on an insurrectionist movement on US soil. Didn't work out too well for the rebels-without-a-clue the past few times this has happened. We'll be fine as far as this specific scenario. Remember Waco? Yeah, totally botched operation, but also didn't trigger the popular uprising the Branch Davidians had hoped for.
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Response to bloomington-lib (Reply #13)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:22 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
30. that's what happened to Nazi party in 1930's
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Started out as a few thug nutcases who got enough support to nearly take over all of Europe, killing millions in the process.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:18 PM
DRoseDARs (4,941 posts)
16. Oh that is ADORABLE, they even have their own wittle pwesident touwing the countwee...
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Coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs, they are.
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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #16)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:49 AM
NuttyFluffers (6,465 posts)
39. indeed! adorable treason! :)
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the trick is to believe your lie...
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:25 PM
Blue Gardener (3,933 posts)
18. I bet she has a bunker in her backyard
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And enough food stashed away to last 20 years.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Reply #18)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:34 PM
longship (17,711 posts)
23. Crow jerky! Or,...
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Eat more possum!
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:31 PM
Bossy Monkey (15,652 posts)
21. Not in my kingdom, lady! I am in charge here! n/t
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:36 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
24. ‘Sovereign Citizen’ Killed in Altercation with Police in Arizona (June 2011)
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Posted in Sovereign Citizens by Leah Nelson on June 22, 2011
An antigovernment “sovereign citizen” who was shot dead Sunday night by police in Arizona appears to have been involved with a major sovereign group called the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA). William Foust, 50, of Page, Ariz., was shot by Officer Shawn Wilson during a fight in which Foust allegedly attempted to wrest Wilson’s Taser from him, the Arizona Daily Sun reported yesterday. The officer was responding to a domestic violence call at B & T Marine, a boat rental business owned by Foust and his wife. Foust fled the scene before police arrived but returned to carry on a “heated argument” with the female victim. He was “upset, loud, and confrontational with the officer,” the Cononino County Sheriff’s Office told reporters. Foust, described by the Sun as a “well-known Page businessman,” was also a well-known sovereign citizen whose hostile reaction to a speeding ticket landed him in jail in December on contempt charges. In typical sovereign fashion, Foust dragged his feet on the ticket for months – clogging the court with a jumble of meaningless papers, refusing to acknowledge the judge’s authority or tell the judge his date of birth, and failing to appear at a scheduled hearing. Sovereigns typically believe they are not subject to the laws of the United States ... http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/06/22/sovereign-citizen-killed-in-altercation-with-police-in-arizona/ |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #24)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:38 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
25. ... As part of a shadow government created by the "Republic for the united States of America,"
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Last edited Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:44 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) William Foust was designated the "chief justice" for Arizona. He was killed in June during an altercation with a police officer who responded to a domestic disturbance call ...
Intelligence Report, Fall 2011, Issue Number: 143 ‘Sovereign’ President Tim Turner says his ‘Republic for the united States’ is all about peaceful change. But recent events have authorities worried By Ryan Lenz http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2011/fall/-sovereign-president |
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #25)
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:25 AM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
35. This is straight out the most enthralling of the youtube CT mania. Been going on for years. See,
The internet has left cyberspace and is becoming a factor in the real world! I expect those guys to arrive from Saturn any minute now. Or Niburu. Or Kolob. Really. |
Response to freshwest (Reply #35)
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:39 AM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
36. The "sovereign citizen" crazies predate the internet
Response to struggle4progress (Reply #36)
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 11:59 AM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
38. Yes, but that's where most of them having been spreading it.
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Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2012, 01:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) There's a Canadian branch as well. From your link:
Tim Turner, a former commercial fishermen known to followers as “Mr. President,” has outlined a plan to “reinhabit” the U.S. government. He also claims the government has tried to assassinate him and that all industrialized nations have treaties with aliens. FROM YOUTUBE Falls into so many of these storylines, from Alex Collier being abducted by the Andromedians or 'good aliens' who was quoted by some Occupy people in London with 'Why do we have to pay to live on our own planet?' in a poster at their first round of actions. Those as opposed to the evil aliens of Turner, and so many others who claim we've been living under the rule of a Nazi/UFO/Lucifierian global cult. Any attempt, using science, history or political science to discredit this is met by their contentions that these alien, disembodied entities can travel back and forth in time and are not restrained by time and space like all you sheeple have been tricked into believing actually exists, like the Federal Reserve. I could name a lot more of these voices from the ether, but. They also are among the spreaders of the meme that there is no difference between any political party, that they are all a front for these entities, like something out of the film of invading aliens controlling our minds, THEY LIVE. Another thing going is the global consciousness thing, which probably exists in some format, in the media if nothing else. Yet they say they want to protect the nation-states, most especially their interpretation of the Constitution, but in generally what they want is not that document, as they say the Founding Fathers are also part of the satanic, Masonic, ancient Babylonian banking scam. They want the Articles of the Confederation, not that pesky stuff like the Bill of Rights and the amendments. It's endless, I'm not disputing what you've said, really, but there is a lot of Tea Party and Ron Paul mythology. The Birthers are part of this alternate reality, so that even if Obama was born in the USA, it doesn't change their view that he is a front man for extra terrestrial evil doers and they are arming themselves to fight like something out of a Star Wars movie. This doesn't leave you much room to argue with the true believers. While this and some of the other constructs have their appeal, the fact is we are arguing about beliefs in the nature of reality as difficult to combat as religion. Or as simple as turning off the electrical grid and stopping the wackiness from being ingested into their brains. |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:41 PM
struggle4progress (71,487 posts)
26. Father in Apparent Murder-Suicide was ‘Congressman’ in ‘Republic’ (February 2012)
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Posted in Antigovernment by Ryan Lenz on February 10, 2012
Last week, police made a startling announcement in their investigation of a fire that killed a father and son in their rural West Virginia mobile home in January. They revealed that David Hutzler, 56, and his 9-year-old son James, known as “Mack,” were each shot in the head before the trailer burned. The scene bore all the signs of a murder-suicide. Investigators found accelerants used to start the fire scattered around the property in Glengary, W.Va. An autopsy later determined that one bullet had grazed the young boy’s chin before a second bullet took his life –– a detail that left terrifying questions about the young boy’s final moments. “Due to the findings in the investigation it is believed that David Hutzler fatally shot his son James ‘Mack’ Hutzler and set fire to his residence before taking his own life,” police told local newspapers as they wrapped up their investigation. A Hatewatch investigation has now confirmed that Hutzler was once a “congressman” in the Republic for the united States of America (RuSA), one of the largest and most organized antigovernment “sovereign citizens” groups active in the United States today. Led by “president” James Timothy Turner of Ozark, Ala., and with representatives in nearly every state, the group says the federal government is illegitimate and it is “reinhabiting” the true government ... http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/02/10/father-in-apparent-murder-suicide-was-congressman-in-antigovernment-republic/#more-8679 |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:46 PM
drm604 (13,962 posts)
27. If they don't recognize the legitimate government then I assume they don't vote.
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If so, then hopefully their membership will grow.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 10:09 PM
nanabugg (2,198 posts)
28. Wow!! Obama's being President really has sent the GOP over the edge.
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They are more nuts than even I thought. That's what lack of sleep fueled by hate and unwarranted fear will do for you. You begin believing your own lies.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:25 PM
24601 (2,494 posts)
31. Never cared for Iowa that much. I'd order the caucuses & primaries based on percent turnout of
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registered voters in the previous general election.
Texas was a Republic - don't believe Iowa ever was - or ever will be. |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:31 PM
proud patriot (99,659 posts)
32. cu
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koo
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Sat Jul 14, 2012, 02:50 AM
alp227 (20,488 posts)
37. Dear Randi, if you say so, then set an example by:
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- not driving on any public roads
- not borrowing books from the public library - not visiting any state or national parks - keep homeschooling your kids and never send them to gov...oops i meant public school - not seeking any government subsidies for any of your businesses - not registering for any public benefits - not seeking any public health care services - toting a gun and watching out for crimes instead of calling the cops |
Response to alp227 (Reply #37)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 06:55 AM
NuttyFluffers (6,465 posts)
40. - not eating food or drinking water regulated to health standards
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- not breathing EPA maintained cleaner air.
it's a fun list, no? |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 09:06 AM
randome (12,741 posts)
42. The next Michelle Bachmann.
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Ruler of the kingdom that only she can see.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:15 AM
sofa king (8,707 posts)
43. Oh, is that how it works?
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Then get off my couch!
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:22 AM
auburngrad82 (4,994 posts)
44. Let me guess, she was losing. nt
Response to auburngrad82 (Reply #44)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 06:25 AM
Blue Gardener (3,933 posts)
47. She would have lost had she stayed in
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The Democratic candidate is a former news anchor in the area. She's very well known and well liked.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
surrealAmerican (7,486 posts)
45. She's homeschooling her child (or children).
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I'm guessing she's teaching this nonsense as "history". Does Iowa have any standards for homeschool curriculum?
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Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #45)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 07:47 AM
ohgeewhiz (193 posts)
49. This bothered me, too! I wonder if
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there's a file on her at the Iowa Children's welfare agency.
If I knew she had kids and was keeping them out of public school to teach them this kind of baloney, I'd report her for child endangerment. |
Response to surrealAmerican (Reply #45)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:29 PM
FSogol (16,037 posts)
54. They are not taking AP Government, I suspect.
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Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 02:26 PM
d_r (2,833 posts)
52. link to her letter
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/100007366/Randi-Shannon-State-Senate-Resignation-Letter-2012
It is sort of amazing! By serving as your Senator in The Republic Congress, I am restrained to voting in line with Our Republic for The United States Constitution, which by the way does not contain the 14 |
Response to d_r (Reply #52)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:46 PM
ieoeja (7,885 posts)
55. Sooooooooo, she appears to be saying that African-Americans are *not* citizens of the United States.
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"I want to especially thank my fellow Ron Paul for President Supporters." Shocked. Shocked, I tell you. |
Response to Blue Gardener (Original post)
Mon Jul 16, 2012, 03:52 PM
KamaAina (45,246 posts)
56. "I want to especially thank my fellow Ron Paul for President Supporters"
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I would never have guessed.
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