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bupkus Jul 2012 OP
MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #1
n2doc Jul 2012 #2
Faygo Kid Jul 2012 #3
FailureToCommunicate Jul 2012 #12
Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #4
Third Doctor Jul 2012 #5
Lionessa Jul 2012 #6
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #8
Lionessa Jul 2012 #19
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #22
Lionessa Jul 2012 #24
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #26
Lionessa Jul 2012 #27
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #29
michel75 Jul 2012 #44
bupkus Jul 2012 #31
Lionessa Jul 2012 #35
bupkus Jul 2012 #36
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #37
bupkus Jul 2012 #34
Myrina Jul 2012 #47
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #7
grahamhgreen Jul 2012 #18
BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #9
Doctor_J Jul 2012 #10
boomerbust Jul 2012 #11
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #28
Arkana Jul 2012 #13
Autumn Jul 2012 #14
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #30
myrna minx Jul 2012 #15
Lionessa Jul 2012 #20
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #38
grahamhgreen Jul 2012 #16
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #23
tularetom Jul 2012 #17
Lionessa Jul 2012 #21
Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #25
RC Jul 2012 #32
woo me with science Jul 2012 #51
freshwest Jul 2012 #33
Citizen Worker Jul 2012 #39
MrSlayer Jul 2012 #40
blkmusclmachine Jul 2012 #41
woo me with science Jul 2012 #42
KatChatter Jul 2012 #43
Earth_First Jul 2012 #45
Freddie Stubbs Jul 2012 #46
Odin2005 Jul 2012 #48
annm4peace Jul 2012 #49
lunatica Jul 2012 #50
TheDonkey Jul 2012 #52
former9thward Jul 2012 #53
woo me with science Jul 2012 #54

Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 06:57 PM

1. No shit?

More Third Way triangulation and banker-coddling coming right up, sir!

And Social Security... We have to slash it, to save it...

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:04 PM

2. This is how the democrats reward people who stab them in the back

No wonder the party is a mess. I can't imagine the repubs allowing a liberal republican near their platform

Guess we will be seeing little cory in a spotlight speech slot soon , won't we? The Corprocrats will try their best to cram him down our throats now that he has shown them such allegiance.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:10 PM

3. +1

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Response to n2doc (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:00 PM

12. Et tu Booker?

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:36 PM

4. a mistake

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:38 PM

5. After he stabbed

The President in the back I would not want him at the convention period if I could help it.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:42 PM

6. I like to see the full 15 on the list before judging.

 

Perhaps a bit silly, but since Obama has helped both directly and by not going after hedge-funds and their shenanigans, and seems he just tried to slip through the TPP, perhaps he's more representative of Obama the President's plan than some of us want to believe.

I have to wonder. Y'know he started his CHANGE by installing the status quo, he invited that hateful pastor from CA to do the inaugural prayer, we forget sometimes that the Campaigner and the President are two different things. The platform is for the President and his Party, not just for the election.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:47 PM

8. If Booker is on it, we can assume

that nobody who ever marched for any sort of social justice will be there.

We don't NEED a platform drafted by insiders. Insiders don't give a damn about the people.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:42 PM

19. You might Ass-u-me, but I shall not.

 

Good luck with that.

I am clearly not a rah rah cheerleader for the Dem Party's nor Obama's apparent pledge to be more Republican, evenso I try not to assume, and not all of Cory Booker is bad or bought and paid for, from what I've seen in interviews and the like.

However, I will remain alert and skeptical, just not as certain as you seem to be.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:47 PM

22. It's based on the precedent of the Cabinet appoinments

which gave Obama an inner circle totally controlled by corporate lackeys, while leaving labor, the Rainbow, the poor, and activists totally out in the cold.

(and no, the assistant secretary appointments of a handful of progressives don't make up for that...all assistant cabinet secretaries are powerless, irrelevant and totally ignored).

Obama needs to fire the party up to win...why is he lowering himself to triangulation when he already knows that can't work?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:50 PM

24. Clearly that's my fear, but Barney Frank is on that committee, and like I said, I'd like to see the

 

whole list. I hope to see some balance, maybe even (gasp) a progressive majority, but expect not to.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:01 PM

26. Barney's the token vaguely prog.

There won't even be a Hilda Solis equivalent.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:05 PM

27. Unless you've found the list, you don't know that.

 

If you've found the list, please share.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:18 PM

29. If Booker is on, there CAN'T be room

for anyone like Feingold, or Jim Hightower, or anybody who ever stood with the poor. You can't have corporate toadies and progressives on the same platform committee.

And the thing is, the party has no need for anyone like Booker...he represents nobody, has no successes in his position, and has no real ideas on any issues at all. Defending Bain is the same thing as wanting the rich to dominate the world.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:58 AM

44. Barney's the token vaguely prog.

 

thanks for sharing some information about Hilda Solis equivalent..


amira group

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Response to bupkus (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:44 PM

35. Geepers, today must be my learn about folks' day, I've never seen more than half those names.

 

Okay, off I go.

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Response to bupkus (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:02 PM

37. I'm glad Barbara Lee is there, but let's face it

She'll get outvoted 14-1 on everything on Obama's orders. And it won't gain us any votes anywhere in the fall when she is.

We'll get another 2004-style platform with this group...a pile of mush that no one will ever remember.

In fact...everytime something right-wing(or "moderate", which is the same thing)gets found on the platform, we're going to hear "but BARBARA LEE was on the committee".

(a statement that is about as meaningful as arguing that the 1968 Vietnam plank wasn't a betrayal of the antiwar primary majority because WAYNE MORSE was on the stage in Chicago when it was approved.)

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:19 AM

47. Bingo!

n/t

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:46 PM

7. Cory Booker? The apologist for Bain Fucking Capital?????

OK...this isn't even TWELVE-dimensional chess anymore.

Booker, IIRC, is also pretty much anti-labor.

Why would Obama ever want to boost this sellout?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:25 PM

18. Uh, when they show you who they are - believe them - Randi Rhodes

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:55 PM

9. Whatever keeps him away from the media is fine by me

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:00 PM

10. Cory will be drafting the "corporations are people" plank

Seriesly, isn't this kind of dumb, given Bain's conspicuous legal troubles?

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:00 PM

11. no.1 - corey booker

n0.2 - harold ford jr.
no.3 ed rendell

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Response to boomerbust (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:09 PM

28. Why doesn't he just put Geithner, Summers and Rubin on the committee as well?

How can anybody think our platform won't be a total corporate schiessburger now?

And the stupid thing is, being "pro-corporate" CAN'T gain us any votes. The "independents" are as sick of the corporate bullshit as any Occupier these days.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:05 PM

13. Jesus.

Let's hope "tossing banksters' salads" doesn't make it into the official party platform.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:09 PM

14. " Cory Booker" I hope someone can talk me into giving a shit.

Zell Miller not available?

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Response to Autumn (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:19 PM

30. Maybe the prez thinks this will get Artur Davis to come back.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:14 PM

15. *Sigh* So he's rewarded handsomely for undermining the President's message? n/t

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:45 PM

20. True but let's not forget Obama is undermining his own message with TPP,

 

so that's why I say that I fear that Cory Booker, exactly as he is, is exactly what Obama wants directing the platform.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:05 PM

38. It wouldn't surprise me if it later turned out

that Obama ORDERED Booker and Biden to defend Bain. He just can't ever leave a clear stand alone.

This is Kerry-style campaigning at its worst.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:24 PM

16. How do we boot him off the committee?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:49 PM

23. We can't. Obama doesn't give a shit about us.

He's all we've got at this point, but he's getting way too arrogant about that.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:24 PM

17. What could possibly go wrong?

I guess Joe Lieberman turned them down.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:46 PM

21. Ouch! ROFL.

 

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:59 PM

25. Maybe Dems and the GOP should save money and combine their conventions n/t

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:27 PM

32. Correct. The Democrats are not that much to the Left of those RW nutz hanging over

 

the Right side cliff.

We need another way to differentiate Left from Right..., errr, the good guys from the bad. (D) and (R) do not mean much any more.
Electing those running as Democrats is not good enough to save our country. Too many are turning out to be sleeper tea-party members.

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:53 AM

51. When enough people get their heads out of their asses and acknowledge the truth,

change will be possible.

Deliberate partisan denial is what enables the one percent to get away with looting this country. They use the parties to ensure that we will never be unified against what they are doing to us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=146626



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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:34 PM

33. UNLIKE

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:12 PM

39. Tony Coehlo? This is the guy that turned the democrats hard right when he said the D's should

pursue the same campaign funders as the right. This is outrageous! And what happened to the long held tradition of the platform committee being chosen by the party? Sorry, but this has DLC written all over it.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 12:11 AM

40. First plank: Tax cuts for the rich!

 

Second plank: cut "entitlements"!

Third plank: school vouchers!

Fourth plank: union busting!


And so on.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:04 AM

41. Catfood Commission Part III

DLC, Third Way crapola from the top down. Where are the REAL Democrats, or aren't there any left in DC anymore?? We need a new Party. This one's gone to seed.


Did you hear about Operation Northwoods?

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:07 AM

42. Every day. There's a new one every day.

One more step for the neoDemocratic Party in neoAmerica.

Every damned day.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 05:26 AM

43. Might as well have asked the GOP to write the platform

 

The ENEMY is within and needs to be removed ASAP or the American People will lose.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:04 AM

45. Not a single constituent on the list...

Sorta like voting on a Tuesday, this process has become horribly unfavorable to representative democracy.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:11 AM

46. Barney Frank is a constituent of John Kerry

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 09:09 AM

48. The DLC is a fucking cancer.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 10:08 AM

49. another reason to leave the party

we really do need another party. and don't whine to me about "so you would vote for GOP"..

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 11:22 AM

50. How depressing

If he'd just shut up that day we'd still be thinking he was a great pick.

But at least we know the truth about Cory Booker from his own mouth for what it's worth.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:05 PM

52. DNC blunder. They should have appointed him chairman of the coat check

Hopefully he won't lose his appetite if Democrats push for transparency and fairness in the platform, the poor dear.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 02:17 PM

53. What is the difference? It is the platform.

The minute the convention is over it is put in a file drawer someplace and forgotten about. The president runs on his own views and policies. He does not run on the platform. No one even reads it. There used to be big platform fights at conventions in the eras of civil rights legislation and the Vietnam War. But no more. The convention bosses now just want conventions where everyone is smiling and there are no "events" for the media to pick up on.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Sat Jul 14, 2012, 03:00 PM

54. kick

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