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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original post)	bupkus	Jul 2012	OP
jesus god almighty.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#1
i HATE these fuckin give aways. nt	xchrom	Jul 2012	#2
to bain capital. nj is funding romney.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#4
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#8
Classic Corporate Welfare	Iggy	Jul 2012	#3
did you read to the end? to bain capital.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#6
Yes, I Saw That	Iggy	Jul 2012	#10
i hadn't considered the bribe factor.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#31
The Bribe Factor	Iggy	Jul 2012	#45
Democratic Governor Quinn in Illinois does this here too.	mucifer	Jul 2012	#5
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#7
God Bless The Child	mahatmakanejeeves	Jul 2012	#9
Comapany sucks!	Arby	Jul 2012	#11
Well, would your son have preferred to have no job?	Beacool	Jul 2012	#16
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#19
I'm not apologizing for these vultures.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#21
i've noticed that in a lot of these cases. those are awfully expensive jobs our leaders tell us	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#32
Just more corporate welfare	Sherman A1	Jul 2012	#12
Bain Capital... the lover of "free stuff"	mountain grammy	Jul 2012	#13
Working with the company=negotiaing the size of the bribe	pscot	Jul 2012	#14
I live in NJ and have a Burlington Coat factory in my town.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#15
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#17
I'm not talking about Bain Capital. I don't give a crap about Bain Capital.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#22
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#23
I get it.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#25
Do you think it might be better to spend the people's taxes directly on programs for the	patrice	Jul 2012	#27
Of course I do.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#42
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#44
surveillance state for humans vs. corporate ownership anonymity	Trillo	Jul 2012	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#20
1+ Thanks for this constructive information. nt	patrice	Jul 2012	#28
great point.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#33
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#24
New headquarters probably TIF'ed. Wouldn't you like to see the terms of THAT deal! nt	patrice	Jul 2012	#26
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#29
Yep. That's the gist of my FB & Tweets. CORPORATE WELFARE, nothing for local entrepreneurs. nt	patrice	Jul 2012	#30
yep, the small guys are getting cut out of the skim these days.	HiPointDem	Jul 2012	#34
Look at where the top of the high-range is; that cut out has to happen because at some point in that	patrice	Jul 2012	#35
And what has happened to American Labor is our best commodity in the only other thing that reduces	patrice	Jul 2012	#36
I want nothing to do with this cruel and disgusting company.	hollysmom	Jul 2012	#37
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#39
!!!	patrice	Jul 2012	#40
let me amend this by adding dates	hollysmom	Jul 2012	#41
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Jul 2012	#43
K&R.	proverbialwisdom	Jul 2012	#38

Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:22 AM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

1. jesus god almighty.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:24 AM

xchrom (90,494 posts)

2. i HATE these fuckin give aways. nt

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:31 AM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

4. to bain capital. nj is funding romney.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:29 AM

Iggy (1,418 posts)

3. Classic Corporate Welfare

Thx for posting.

This is the classic example of corporate welfare: existing wealthy people who don't
need government largesse get it anyway, because "that's how its done".

wondering if the GrowNJ program is giving $40 Million to help start small, minority run
businesses?

"boosted hopes of local officials that new businesses will develop along Route 130".

and? what sort of "jobs" will be created here? $12 per hour warehouse, low-skilled
assembly work? this is small potatos.. not worth the $40 million dollar giveaway.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:31 AM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

6. did you read to the end? to bain capital.

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Burlington Coat Factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Coat_Factory
Burlington Coat Factory Warehouse Corporation is a American national department ... In 2006, it was acquired by Bain Capital, LLC in a take-private transaction.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:52 AM

Iggy (1,418 posts)

10. Yes, I Saw That

it reinforces my main point.

and I assume $100K-$500K gets kicked back to christie as a bribe, errrrrrr, I mean
"campaign contribution".

Sweeeeeeeet deal, eh?

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Response to Iggy (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:54 PM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

31. i hadn't considered the bribe factor.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:28 AM

Iggy (1,418 posts)

45. The Bribe Factor

happens all the time.. that's one of the reasons our system stinks

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:31 AM

mucifer (8,496 posts)

5. Democratic Governor Quinn in Illinois does this here too.

It's so sick.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 08:46 AM

mahatmakanejeeves (3,610 posts)

9. God Bless The Child

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http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/billie+holiday/god+bless+the+child_20018000.html
God Bless The Child Lyrics

Billie Holiday God Bless The Child Lyrics

Songwriters: BILLIE HOLIDAY, ARTHUR HERZOG JR.
Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr.

Them that's got shall get
Them that's not shall lose
So the Bible said and it still is news
Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that's got his own
That's got his own

Yes, the strong gets more
While the weak ones fade
Empty pockets don't ever make the grade
Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that's got his own
That's got his own

Money, you've got lots of friends
Crowding round the door
When you're gone, spending ends
They don't come no more
Rich relations give
Crust of bread and such
You can help yourself
But don't take too much
Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that's got his own
That's got his own

Mama may have, Papa may have
But God bless the child that's got his own
That's got his own
He just worry 'bout nothin'
Cause he's got his own

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:39 AM

Arby (20 posts)

11. Comapany sucks!

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My son has worked p/t at one of their retail stores for over two years and has received one $.15 raise. His hourly wage is now around $8.00 and he works enough to be just short of full time. Sound familiar?

BTW, $40,000,000 for 120 jobs is over $333,000 per job...

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Response to Arby (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:42 AM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

16. Well, would your son have preferred to have no job?

We all know that most of these retail jobs stink, but in this economy there aren't that many good jobs period.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:53 AM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

21. I'm not apologizing for these vultures.

But the reality is that at the moment we need to keep all the jobs that we can. It's no news that most of these types of jobs suck, I remember working for Macy's once during the holidays. We worked like dogs for not much pay. I see that nothing has changed.

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Response to Arby (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:56 PM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

32. i've noticed that in a lot of these cases. those are awfully expensive jobs our leaders tell us

they're bringing to our localities...

methinks there are wee kickbacks for the local politicos included in a lot of these deals.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:50 AM

Sherman A1 (11,535 posts)

12. Just more corporate welfare

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 09:58 AM

mountain grammy (1,590 posts)

13. Bain Capital... the lover of "free stuff"

So as this company gets the "free stuff" will they vote for the "other guy?"

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:36 AM

pscot (13,900 posts)

14. Working with the company=negotiaing the size of the bribe

There's always plenty of "free stuff" for corporate persons.

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Response to bupkus (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 10:39 AM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

15. I live in NJ and have a Burlington Coat factory in my town.

Thank you Governor for keeping jobs in the state. I'm no fan of Christie's, but that's precisely what governors are supposed to do: try to keep jobs in their state.

BTW, NYC has been doing this for many years.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:57 AM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

22. I'm not talking about Bain Capital. I don't give a crap about Bain Capital.

That's just a distraction used by our side.

NYC has been giving millions of dollars in tax breaks and other goodies to many businesses to keep them in the city. I don't particularly like Christie, but he's not doing anything that other governors won't do to keep jobs in their state.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:23 PM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

25. I get it.

The problem is that this is done by both parties, that's why it doesn't shock me. If Christie is going to be running around the country campaigning for Mittens, let the state at least get something out of it. I read the article and the Burlington headquarters employ over 600 people, plus the 130 that they are planning to hire in the future. I know that this stinks like 3 day old fish, but it disturbs me less than some other things that are going on in the country.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

27. Do you think it might be better to spend the people's taxes directly on programs for the

people? That would result in jobs too, jobs for people to help one another progress beyond just working for minimum wage for BCF, to progress into becoming LOCAL entrepreneurs themselves, perhaps.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 02:49 PM

Beacool (19,023 posts)

42. Of course I do.

But I doubt that we can get those kinds of programs approved in this economy.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 11:42 AM

Trillo (7,229 posts)

18. surveillance state for humans vs. corporate ownership anonymity

It seems one of the primary purposes of corporate structures is to conceal ownership. This ownership is not concealed from certain government agencies, with all the filed paperwork required, etc., just from everyday consumers who may patronize the stores. However, that alias is used in court cases, etc, which sets up another difference from humans.

Shouldn't humans have the same ability to conceal their true identity? Our growing surveillance state emphatically says "No."

If humans are required to disclose their true identity, such as presenting a state-issued ID upon demand, then shouldn't corporations be required to take the name of their parent company, instead of being allowed to keep the prior name of the now-purchased entity?

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:33 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

28. 1+ Thanks for this constructive information. nt

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:58 PM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

33. great point.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:28 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

26. New headquarters probably TIF'ed. Wouldn't you like to see the terms of THAT deal! nt

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:43 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

30. Yep. That's the gist of my FB & Tweets. CORPORATE WELFARE, nothing for local entrepreneurs. nt

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 12:59 PM

HiPointDem (16,841 posts)

34. yep, the small guys are getting cut out of the skim these days.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:13 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

35. Look at where the top of the high-range is; that cut out has to happen because at some point in that

range upward, the extent to which the incomes being produced are ir-retrievably DEPENDENT upon the incomes ABOVE them is a given. So, thinking of a spectrum here, how high:low is that shift point? I think this is what PO has been trying to figure out from the beginning and why, therefore, the Oppressor knows he is such a threat and, hence, why Congress is what it is.

The whole fucking thing is upside down, because of what has happened to American Labor.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:17 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

36. And what has happened to American Labor is our best commodity in the only other thing that reduces

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the deficit (other than government spending), the Balance of Trade, and it's our hottest commodity because of what people like Mitt Romney have done to American Labor.

I believe the Oppressor is trying to weaken the American dollar for advantage in the world financial hegemony, all of whom are holding debts against one another because of the Derivative Crash of '08.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:36 PM

hollysmom (1,254 posts)

37. I want nothing to do with this cruel and disgusting company.

besides bad quality (despite ads to the otherwise) they sell Dog Fur accessories. Yuck yuck from China.

It was printed in one of their labels by accident once and a little investigation found why it is so cheap to get fur collars on your coats there.

Christie - wasting NJ money again =- I need equal time to reply to his lying ads.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:43 PM

patrice (47,321 posts)

40. !!!

You don't want anyone who would do that making decisions about you.

And yes, I know we eat animals here, no ifs ands or buts about that.

Make mine hemp.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 02:16 PM

hollysmom (1,254 posts)

41. let me amend this by adding dates

The dog fur scandal I remember happened in the 1990's, seems there was another one in 2009 where the company was shocked! shocked, I tell you! and recalled the coats. They ended up donating money to animal preservation, but I am not convinced, how many times do they have to be caught?

If anything is spelled wrong, I blame cutting my index finger and having a huge bloody bandaid on it.

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Thu Jul 12, 2012, 01:39 PM

proverbialwisdom (1,568 posts)

38. K&R.

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1. jesus god almighty.

2. i HATE these fuckin give aways. nt

4. to bain capital. nj is funding romney.

3. Classic Corporate Welfare

6. did you read to the end? to *bain capital*.

10. Yes, I Saw That

31. i hadn't considered the bribe factor.

45. The Bribe Factor

5. Democratic Governor Quinn in Illinois does this here too.

9. God Bless The Child

11. Comapany sucks!

16. Well, would your son have preferred to have no job?

21. I'm not apologizing for these vultures.

32. i've noticed that in a lot of these cases. those are awfully expensive jobs our leaders tell us

12. Just more corporate welfare

13. Bain Capital... the lover of "free stuff"

14. Working with the company=negotiaing the size of the bribe

15. I live in NJ and have a Burlington Coat factory in my town.

22. I'm not talking about Bain Capital. I don't give a crap about Bain Capital.

25. I get it.

27. Do you think it might be better to spend the people's taxes directly on programs for the

42. Of course I do.

18. surveillance state for humans vs. corporate ownership anonymity

28. 1+ Thanks for this constructive information. nt

33. great point.

26. New headquarters probably TIF'ed. Wouldn't you like to see the terms of THAT deal! nt

30. Yep. That's the gist of my FB & Tweets. CORPORATE WELFARE, nothing for local entrepreneurs. nt

34. yep, the small guys are getting cut out of the skim these days.

35. Look at where the top of the high-range is; that cut out has to happen because at some point in that

36. And what has happened to American Labor is our best commodity in the only other thing that reduces

37. I want nothing to do with this cruel and disgusting company.

40. !!!

41. let me amend this by adding dates

38. K&R.

6. did you read to the end? to bain capital.