Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results

[ffr]

Source: CNN

Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.
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The group informed John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chairman, and Marc Elias, the campaign's general counsel, that Clinton received 7% fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic voting machines, which the group said could have been hacked.

Their group told Podesta and Elias that while they had not found any evidence of hacking, the pattern needs to be looked at by an independent review.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/

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Getting legs.

Breaking story on Wednesday?

Come on HFA! ACTIVATE! Get Hillary's lawyers on this now!!!

[lonestarnot]

1. Now damn it NOW!

[ffr]

3. Story is already trickling down through the news wire.

PoliticusUSA - Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results

KTLA Los Angeles - Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results

I smell something fishy this election.

[lonestarnot]

5. Nothing on the clap trap yet.

[lonestarnot]

9. CNN.

[Farmgirl1961]

2. I've sent an email to the DOJ on their form

I may try to call (I'm in Oregon) tomorrow or Friday. I've posted to Twitter, FB and sent some emails out. What else can I do????

[world wide wally]

36. Does the DOJ have the power to order an audit?

[Hoyt]

4. We need to do better than "COULD HAVE been hacked." Would love for evidence to be found, but

COULD HAVE sounds a bit soft to me.

[lonestarnot]

6. Persuasive evidence may be preponderance of evidence. Haven't seen the evidence but for common

sense icals, computer scientists, who are they?

[Leith]

11. The One Mentioned in the Article, J. Alex Halderman

has a heck of a background in computers.

This is a good description:
https://jhalderm.com/home/halderman-cv.pdf

A computer scientist is not just a run-of-the-mill experienced programmer. He/she has an in depth knowledge of not only languages, databases, networking, internet, and applications, but has a thorough knowledge of the hardware that it all runs on - in many cases designed parts of it.

I don't know if CNN is just throwing around the term "scientist," but in Dr. Helderman's case, it applies. They should listen to what he says.

[SoCalMusicLover]

12. They'll Destroy His Reputation By Thursday

The media will be perfectly willing to destroy him, even if he were Stephen Hawking.

[Bob41213]

7. It's pretty thin...

> Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation

Good luck with that.

[athena]

18. How are they supposed to have proof when there has been no investigation?

The whole point of an audit is to investigate whether there was any hacking. If there were solid proof, there would be no need for an audit.

But go ahead and continue attacking Hillary. You're wrong if you think your efforts are fooling anyone.

[cstanleytech]

21. True but they are probably going to still need something a bit more solid before a court

agrees to let them do this I suspect.

[athena]

23. That is patently false.

A candidate does not need solid proof of fraud in order to request a recount.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013

Michigan: A mandatory recount if 2,000 votes or less separate the top two candidates. Candidates can petition for a recount due to fraud or a counting error.

Wisconsin: Any candidate can request a recount within three days of completion of the initial tally. The recount is free to the requesting candidate if the margin of victory is less than 0.5 percent, otherwise it must be paid for in advance.

Pennsylvania: Automatic recount when vote margin is less than 0.5 percent. Voters can petition county boards for a recount. Voters or candidates can petition courts for a recount.

[cstanleytech]

46. So you are saying that none of these would have to get a judge to sign off on it

nor could a judge issue a ruling telling them to cease any recount?

[ffr]

8. Grave consequences as it stands, a tampered election and course change for America

I'd say that's worth investigating.

If Democrats learned anything from the 2000 election, it should be that there are grave consequences that come with not fully challenging questionable election results. The results of the election are worthy of a challenge because several points don’t add up. Every single public opinion poll was wrong about the election. Hillary Clinton lost swing states by tiny margins that were all within the same range.

[Equinox Moon]

10. There is this: NSA chief says 2016 election was hacked by Russia

Mother Jones reports:
The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign

[Hoyt]

13. Didn't read the entire article, but it doesn't appear about vote count on 11/8. I'm sure they tried

to givev white winger Trump an edge, but there is not going to be a replay of the election. Unless someone finds evidence of widespread fraudulent miscounting/recording of vote, all the grousing isn't going to change the outcome in 2016. If votes were purposely miscounting or misrecorded, we have something. Just about anything else isn't going to change the results.

[Equinox Moon]

14. For me, the proof was when much of the country went red

I don't believe the results. Too many republican races won. Too many house chambers and governorship's and the WH. Too many stories about Russia hacking and Russia involvement with trump.

[Hoyt]

15. Don't know where you live, but I'm in a white wing dominated state. I'm dismayed, but not surprised

at results. Trump knew there were lots of ignorant white wing racists out there.

[ucrdem]

16. It's the surgical precision that's suspicious.

Just enough to win and not trigger a recount, and only in states with no paper trails, plus assorted anomalies like the NC governor's race.

[longship]

20. Wrong. MI has paper ballots.

And the Dem won the NC governor's race.

What happened is exactly what one would expect in a close contested election. Screeching "rigged" is what Drumpf was doing before the election when he was behind in all the polls. I guess that's what losers do these days. We lost, so it must be rigged? I don't agree.

[ucrdem]

22. Great, we can get started on a MI recount

because it was a razor thin win:

R D. Trump - 47.6% - 2,279,805
D H. Clinton - 47.3% - 2,268,193

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/michigan/

And the fact that the Dem won the NC governor's race is the anomaly.

[longship]

24. I have no idea of the MI election laws.

But that 11,000+ vote margin doesn't seem small enough for an automatic recount.

But mark my words, Hillary will not be asking for a recount here.

That puts any hope for turning around the election out of reach.

[ucrdem]

25. Not automatic but that doesn't rule out a recount.

As to who requests and pays for it, I don't know either, but I imagine there are attorneys who can advise.* And the point is not necessarily to reverse the election, though clearly that would be nice, it's to raise awareness of the fact that some of our voting systems are, to borrow a word, deplorable.


*ETA from Athena's link above:

Michigan: A mandatory recount if 2,000 votes or less separate the top two candidates. Candidates can petition for a recount due to fraud or a counting error.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013

[longship]

26. Hillary's campaign would have to request it.

They are not going to do that in MI, or any other state. Hillary is not going to contest the election results. Period!

So there will be no audits.

[ucrdem]

27. We'll see.

Hope springs eternal eh?

[longship]

28. Well, yes. There's that.

But Drumpf is going to be the 45th POTUS. God help us all.

My best regards to you.

[ucrdem]

29. Probably.

Sigh.

[hughee99]

55. Wow. The headline would lead one to believe the NSA chief said Russia hacked the 2016 vote.

As long as someone doesn't read the article, they might think that was said somewhere in there, but it wasn't. This is the sort of thing conservative websites do all the time, and DUers call them out on it.

[brooklynite]

17. Meanwhile, NC Governor McRory complaining about voter fraud is "sour grapes"?

No hard evidence of tampering; no losing candidate/campaign mgr/Party Chair/DNC member claims hacking.

[ucrdem]

19. that rich isn't it.

He must have forgotten to make his contribution to Mr. T's "charity."

[msongs]

30. gore, kerry, and hillary go down without a fight. seems to be a trend does it not? nt

[StevieM]

31. Gore took his fight to the Supreme Court. He unjustly lost. But he fought. (eom)

[C Moon]

39. He did, indeed! That was a anxiety filled time. But he did the right thing.

[SunSeeker]

32. Investigate it! PLEASE!

[StevieM]

33. There will be a recount in the North Carolina governor's race.

If there was hacking then it would mean that the Russians understood to hack down ballot race too, to make it look good. So the margin for the Democratic governor-elect would widen.

I personally don't think the election was hacked on Election Day. It was hacked by James Comey throughout 2016.

[C Moon]

40. They probably focused the hacking in certain areas in order to get the swing states

and the senate /congressional seats.

[ffr]

34. 2,007,000 vote lead for HRC and more coming by the hour.

You mean to tell me that traditionally blue states held their vote advantages as polling indicated, Nevada too, and yet all the other traditionally blue states swung wildly red?

Fuck that! A simple audit sampling could determine errors. And if there are material errors in the numbers, they should do a full recount before certification.

DEMAND IT!

[C Moon]

41. Left alone, this election would have been a HUGE win for Hillary.

[world wide wally]

35. Does anybody NOT believe Trump would cheat to win?

Nobody acts so self assure unless they know something we don't.
He wouldn't accept the results if he lost because the fix was in with Russia and the FBI.
Now, hang them all.

[tinrobot]

42. When the king of projection exclaims "It's rigged..."

...you know damn well he's the one rigging it.

[Hekate]

37. KnR

[YOHABLO]

38. Oh hell yes. We can't afford to allow these Nazi's to steam roll us. We know what's up.

[ucrdem]

43. screen-shot evidence: Wisconsin vote totals don't match

an image of the electronically calculated count in Sauk County, Wisconsin, showing 2,700 more votes tallied than ballots cast:



https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/801085767984578560

[Achilleaze]

44. Absolutely challenge. America is being hoodwinked again.

Challenge this now !

[bucolic_frolic]

45. Trump told you: The election is rigged

he ought to know

so many pointed to his projection

as he did what he pointed to

[Sunlei]

47. I think they'll find-the tactic to gleen every county-get rid of 100-1k votes here & there works.

like the 90,000 blank ballots in Detroit to 'punish' Americas democracy was a fucking gift to republicans. no more federal bottled water for Detroit and pay your utility bills or else.

[McCamy Taylor]

48. If they want anyone to listen they need to hack the hack.

[milestogo]

49. Jill Stein is asking for a recount:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512621916

[Sunlei]

50. all the voting machine software need to be checked by experts. As experts said, they can do it.

As experts said, they can install malware through the offline ballot printing system and no internet connection to Americas ANCIENT voting machines is needed. Similar malware that was discovered in Ukraine in 2014.

[Sunlei]

51. "It doesnt matter whether the voting machines are connected to the Internet"

a fact many people don't seem to know.

[riversedge]

52. REC

[Bearware]

53. Jill Stein is not only asking for recounts - she is kicking butt getting the money

Her crowd funding has pilled up over $1 million in only a few hours. She only wants $2.5 million and she probably will have it by the end of tomorrow.

People are REALLY pissed off about election fraud.

Since that kind of money is roaring in, why don't the individual house and senate candidates do the same thing. They better hurry up though, I think the deadline is right on top of us.

Maybe it is time to stop saying someone has to have enough solid evidence (unless you are Trump Troll) for a recount AND JUST DO IT.

Oh but it costs too much .... lets see if everybody who voted for Hillary donated then they might have to cough up a a Quarter (25 cents).

Even if we do find something, what could come of it... Ohhh, maybe the Presidency and a Senate majority along with a mandate to wipe out machine voting. This may be the last time we have a shot at getting rid of the machines.

[Bearware]

54. Jill Stein is not only asking for recounts - she got the money by midnight!!!/nt

[pressbox69]

56. Resist and

agitate, agitate, agitate!