Ex-Arizona governor detained at border checkpoint
Source: San Francisco Chronicle
Ex-Arizona governor detained at border checkpoint
Updated 04:48 p.m., Thursday, July 5, 2012
PHOENIX (AP) Former Arizona Gov. Raul Castro, who in the 1970s served as the state's first and only Hispanic governor, was detained at a U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint after the vehicle he was traveling in triggered a radiation sensor.
Castro told The Associated Press on Thursday that he believed the June 12 stop at a checkpoint on Interstate 19 was prompted by the monitor being set off, not by his appearance.
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Castro's wife, however, is calling for changes in Border Patrol procedures. She said the Border Patrol officials need to use "more common sense" when they encounter elderly people who have undergone medical procedures.
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Castro said agents questioned him outside his vehicle in 100-degree heat. He said he explained to them that he had undergone hospital testing on his pacemaker the previous day, likely triggering the sensor.
Castro said he was detained for 40 to 45 minutes; the federal agency said it lasted 10 minutes.
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"Once I identified myself, who I was, and that I had been to the doctor, I was under medical care, I have a pacemaker on my heart, (I would have thought) that they would have been more considerate and said, 'Keep on going.' But that didn't happen," Castro said.
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Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ex-Arizona-governor-detained-at-border-checkpoint-3685918.php
Castro was the first name that ran through my mind when I saw the headline.
I'm sure most Arizonans thought the same when seeing that headline.
The sad thing, in addition to the story, is that most of us have the same suspicion, and why shouldn't we?
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)I "met" him, back when he was the governor. He was walking into the Circle K, of all places, and he held the door open for me. No entourage, no security, no cameras. Just the governor stopping at a convenience market at Alvernon and Fort Lowell.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)We lived in a quonset hut about a half a block north of the Circle K.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Looks like the news about it broke again for a second time and everyone posting again.
Edited to add:
The story was in DU General Discussion June 23rd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002848940
not in LBN.
panzerfaust
(2,818 posts)Nice to know they never rest.
Many, including myself, are just reading this here for the first time - who really cares when the original report was?
Who cares, I mean, aside from those who defend the very bastions of western civilization ...
Confusious
(8,317 posts)She said agents should have used discretion instead of relying solely on technology to decide to detain Castro.
I guess they should use smell to detect radiation?
I agree that an elderly person shouldn't have been out in the sun, but the radiation alarm did go off. And unless Mr. Castro was telling everyone within earshot that he used to be governer of Arizona 40 years ago, I doubt a lot of people would have a clue. I didn't. I couldn't tell you who was the governer of Alaska in the 70's, and I lived there 20 years. Sorry I don't keep that all in my head.
Eugenian
(191 posts)I'm 44 and a longtime political junkie but prior to this story, the only Raul Castro I'd heard of was Fidel's brother.
OTOH, if they have to detain a frail, old man, they should at least take him inside, out of the heat.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and a state constitution drawn up during the Progressive Era that is in many ways something to envy.
the modern day Republicans are trashing that legacy, sadly.
I completely agree.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Confusious
(8,317 posts)If someone wanted to smuggle some radioactive material into the states, he's sure not going to have it out in the open without shielding, is he?
So maybe the sensitivity is just right.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)What if they shield it enough that even the current detectors might not notice? Should we be okay with manually searching vehicles then?
Or is the current level okay, and we should just be requiring people to pay extra for documentation saying they've had utterly routine medical procedures and should not be presumed to be terrorists because of it?
Oh, but wait - the terrorists could forge such documentation, so maybe we need to take things a little further!
So how far? Can you show us the point at which it becomes unreasonable? Is there such a point?
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Becuase at a certain point, there would be so much shielding, you'd be dragging the cars ass, which I'm sure is illegal.
I think the detector is a good compromise between saftey and civil rights.
I figure they asked some scientist what would be a good setting for the detector.
I guess you know better.
PS. I also don't remember a "right to not be inconvenienced" in the constitution.
PPS. Your straw man sucked.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Confusious
(8,317 posts)I made a correction down below. If you had read it, you would understand.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That radio commercial made me do a double take.
UTUSN
(70,671 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002905778
It would be the perfect case for SCotUS, but if he doesn't "think being Hispanic had anything to do with it" and he "downplayed the detention" and "didn't file a complaint" even though "he wasn't pleased with the way he was treated" and thought they would be satisfied with his identity and knowledge of his medical condition -- OH WELL!1
This is called: Denial, passivity, go-along-to-get-along, ostrich-burying-head, Stockholm Syndrome. Well, hes 96 and not our family's (sharp as a tack) kind of 96, is probably one of the tool-Hispanics of the past (and present), doesnt get he could be the Rosa PARKS.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/former-arizona-governor-raul-castro-detained-border-checkpoint_n_1652020.html
.... Castro told The Associated Press on Thursday that [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]he believed the stop was prompted[/FONT] by a monitor being set off, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]not on his appearance[/FONT].
"[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]I don't think being Hispanic had anything to do with it[/FONT]," Castro said. He said he was detained for 40 to 45 minutes; the federal agency said it lasted 10 minutes.
The former governor [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]downplayed the detention[/FONT], noting that he [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]wasn't pleased with the way he was treated but didn't file a complaint[/FONT]. He said that he understands Border Patrol agents are "there to do a job" but that they need a better system for dealing with elderly people. He said he was exposed to the sun during part of the questioning.
"[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Once I identified myself[/FONT], who I was, and that I had been to the doctor, I was under medical care, I [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]have a pacemaker[/FONT] on my heart, (I would have [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]thought) that they would have[/FONT] been more considerate and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]said, `Keep on going[/FONT].' But that didn't happen," Castro said.
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totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)It was conducted by federal border patrol agents. The Arizona law had no influence on what happened one way or the other.
Also, to make a personal attack on him and call him a "tool Hispanic" based upon this incident is unwarranted. He had a distinguished career as both a Democratic office holder and US ambassador to to several different countries. He was appointed to diplomatic posts by both LBJ and Jimmy Carter.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)by the State of Arizona. That was my point. I am not defending the fact that he was detained.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)within the states on the highways where federal agents stop you looking for illegals.
I passed through them many times, and been stopped about half the time.
Federal law allows them to do this within a certain distance from the border.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)said that he would get stopped in Tucson all the time, by border patrol.
he's a citizen.
it happened so much that one wonders if just because the law allows it, if it really is okay.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)I would say no.
But we don't live in a perfect world. You have to find a balance between the rights of the innocent and the guilty.
As an example, so I'm not misunderstood, the constitution says that a persons property cannot be violated without a lawfuly obtained warrant, naming those things to be searched for and seized.
That it a compromise between the rights of the innocent and the guilty.
UTUSN
(70,671 posts)characteristics, but there *are* members of minority groups (Hispanic, Black, Gay, women) who side with the oppressor side, like Beto GONZALEZ, Clarence THOMAS, Condo RICE, Mee-gwell ESTRADA (to use Orrin HATCH's pronunciation of "Miguel" , that some of us call Uncle Toms or houseboys or TOOLS. I do not know whether he leans that way given his Democratic background, but the highlights in my link show that he gave away the perfect complaints against the detention (if not the AZ State law).
If not an overt TOOL, he might be, at his 96 years, a remnant of the "genteel" generation of co-existence with the oppressors.
You've got a good point that the enforcing agents were Feds, not AZ officials acting on the AZ law. But his traveling companion said she was not questioned at all. Certainly he was the one with the radiation but she might have been an accomplice if his potential nefariousness were being checked out. And the the issue whether profiling based on appearance is potentially open. Even if the AZ law was not the controlling authority here, a finding against the Feds here might impact the AZ law, no?
ON EDIT: I stopped myself from saying that I was glad this important thread topic wasn't trivialized by idiotic references to the Fidel/Raul CASTROs of Cuba, or even, in the GD thread, references to hair coloring in males, somehow tied in with RAYGUN. But I see that there *are* such references, so I'll add this here.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Becuase he wasn't stopped by state officers.
He was stopped by federal officers.
Border agents can do what thy like within a certain distance from the border.
Ignorance of the radical.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)they most certainly cannot "do what they like".
but at least we know you aren't a lawyer.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)within a certain distance from the border then a officer farther from the border, or even most officers in general.
Is that better?
PS. Here's what I was looking a for..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
roody
(10,849 posts)president of Cuba, has no interest in driving around AZ!
d_r
(6,907 posts)for setting off the radiation sensor on the way home from the hospital. They need to figure it out because in the southwest like that people have to drive a good ways to get to the hospital for stuff like that.