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CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 03:00 AM Jul 2012

Ex-Arizona governor detained at border checkpoint

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Ex-Arizona governor detained at border checkpoint
Updated 04:48 p.m., Thursday, July 5, 2012


PHOENIX (AP) — Former Arizona Gov. Raul Castro, who in the 1970s served as the state's first and only Hispanic governor, was detained at a U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint after the vehicle he was traveling in triggered a radiation sensor.

Castro told The Associated Press on Thursday that he believed the June 12 stop at a checkpoint on Interstate 19 was prompted by the monitor being set off, not by his appearance.

...

Castro's wife, however, is calling for changes in Border Patrol procedures. She said the Border Patrol officials need to use "more common sense" when they encounter elderly people who have undergone medical procedures.

...

Castro said agents questioned him outside his vehicle in 100-degree heat. He said he explained to them that he had undergone hospital testing on his pacemaker the previous day, likely triggering the sensor.

Castro said he was detained for 40 to 45 minutes; the federal agency said it lasted 10 minutes.

...

"Once I identified myself, who I was, and that I had been to the doctor, I was under medical care, I have a pacemaker on my heart, (I would have thought) that they would have been more considerate and said, 'Keep on going.' But that didn't happen," Castro said.

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Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Ex-Arizona-governor-detained-at-border-checkpoint-3685918.php



Castro was the first name that ran through my mind when I saw the headline.

I'm sure most Arizonans thought the same when seeing that headline.

The sad thing, in addition to the story, is that most of us have the same suspicion, and why shouldn't we?
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Ex-Arizona governor detained at border checkpoint (Original Post) CreekDog Jul 2012 OP
A very nice gentleman. Fridays Child Jul 2012 #1
Cool story! 3 blocks from where I lived there! CreekDog Jul 2012 #2
Really? That's cool. Fridays Child Jul 2012 #3
I thought this news was already posted in LBN a week or two ago. Tx4obama Jul 2012 #4
AH. The Latest-Breaking-News Police panzerfaust Jul 2012 #7
The ACLU of Arizona was kind of stupid Confusious Jul 2012 #5
I hear you. Eugenian Jul 2012 #6
people don't realize that Arizona had some good politicians CreekDog Jul 2012 #10
#1 JonLP24 Jul 2012 #28
If a radiation alarm goes off because someone recently had contrast dyes, it's too sensitive. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #13
Depends on how you look at it Confusious Jul 2012 #17
Exactly how paranoid are you willing to get about stuff like this? Posteritatis Jul 2012 #22
The question is moot Confusious Jul 2012 #23
where does the constitution enter into things? you said border patrol could do whatever they liked" CreekDog Jul 2012 #27
Try reading. It helps. Confusious Jul 2012 #29
Here in Fargo there is a car dealership owned by a Lyndon Johnson. Odin2005 Jul 2012 #8
He could be the Rosa PARKS against the AZ law, but he doesn't complain: UTUSN Jul 2012 #9
His detention had nothinmg to do with the Arizona law. totodeinhere Jul 2012 #11
but he was stopped even though he never LEFT THE USA CreekDog Jul 2012 #12
Yes, but that still doesn't mean that it had anything to do with the law passed totodeinhere Jul 2012 #16
Arizona and new Mexico have stops Confusious Jul 2012 #18
Oh yes, I lived in Arizona, I know...my friend with darker skin CreekDog Jul 2012 #20
If we lived in a perfect world Confusious Jul 2012 #25
I have learned his officeholder resume since this story broke, don't know his personal UTUSN Jul 2012 #15
He has no case against the state law Confusious Jul 2012 #19
border officers cannot "do what they like" --what a ridiculous post CreekDog Jul 2012 #21
They have more discretion in what they can do Confusious Jul 2012 #24
I am sure that Raul Castro, roody Jul 2012 #14
my mom has been detained like that d_r Jul 2012 #26

Fridays Child

(23,998 posts)
1. A very nice gentleman.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 03:11 AM
Jul 2012

I "met" him, back when he was the governor. He was walking into the Circle K, of all places, and he held the door open for me. No entourage, no security, no cameras. Just the governor stopping at a convenience market at Alvernon and Fort Lowell.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. I thought this news was already posted in LBN a week or two ago.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:00 AM
Jul 2012

Looks like the news about it broke again for a second time and everyone posting again.

Edited to add:

The story was in DU General Discussion June 23rd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002848940
not in LBN.

 

panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
7. AH. The Latest-Breaking-News Police
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:31 AM
Jul 2012

Nice to know they never rest.

Many, including myself, are just reading this here for the first time - who really cares when the original report was?

Who cares, I mean, aside from those who defend the very bastions of western civilization ...

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
5. The ACLU of Arizona was kind of stupid
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:02 AM
Jul 2012

She said agents should have used discretion instead of relying solely on technology to decide to detain Castro.

I guess they should use smell to detect radiation?

I agree that an elderly person shouldn't have been out in the sun, but the radiation alarm did go off. And unless Mr. Castro was telling everyone within earshot that he used to be governer of Arizona 40 years ago, I doubt a lot of people would have a clue. I didn't. I couldn't tell you who was the governer of Alaska in the 70's, and I lived there 20 years. Sorry I don't keep that all in my head.

Eugenian

(191 posts)
6. I hear you.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:49 AM
Jul 2012

I'm 44 and a longtime political junkie but prior to this story, the only Raul Castro I'd heard of was Fidel's brother.

OTOH, if they have to detain a frail, old man, they should at least take him inside, out of the heat.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
10. people don't realize that Arizona had some good politicians
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jul 2012

and a state constitution drawn up during the Progressive Era that is in many ways something to envy.

the modern day Republicans are trashing that legacy, sadly.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
17. Depends on how you look at it
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:03 PM
Jul 2012

If someone wanted to smuggle some radioactive material into the states, he's sure not going to have it out in the open without shielding, is he?

So maybe the sensitivity is just right.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
22. Exactly how paranoid are you willing to get about stuff like this?
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jul 2012

What if they shield it enough that even the current detectors might not notice? Should we be okay with manually searching vehicles then?

Or is the current level okay, and we should just be requiring people to pay extra for documentation saying they've had utterly routine medical procedures and should not be presumed to be terrorists because of it?

Oh, but wait - the terrorists could forge such documentation, so maybe we need to take things a little further!

So how far? Can you show us the point at which it becomes unreasonable? Is there such a point?

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
23. The question is moot
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jul 2012

Becuase at a certain point, there would be so much shielding, you'd be dragging the cars ass, which I'm sure is illegal.

I think the detector is a good compromise between saftey and civil rights.

I figure they asked some scientist what would be a good setting for the detector.

I guess you know better.

PS. I also don't remember a "right to not be inconvenienced" in the constitution.

PPS. Your straw man sucked.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
8. Here in Fargo there is a car dealership owned by a Lyndon Johnson.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:22 AM
Jul 2012

That radio commercial made me do a double take.

UTUSN

(70,671 posts)
9. He could be the Rosa PARKS against the AZ law, but he doesn't complain:
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jul 2012


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002905778


It would be the perfect case for SCotUS, but if he doesn't "think being Hispanic had anything to do with it" and he "downplayed the detention" and "didn't file a complaint" even though "he wasn't pleased with the way he was treated" and thought they would be satisfied with his identity and knowledge of his medical condition -- OH WELL!1

This is called: Denial, passivity, go-along-to-get-along, ostrich-burying-head, Stockholm Syndrome. Well, he’s 96 and not our family's (sharp as a tack) kind of 96, is probably one of the tool-Hispanics of the past (and present), doesn’t “get” he could be the Rosa PARKS.


**********QUOTE********

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/former-arizona-governor-raul-castro-detained-border-checkpoint_n_1652020.html

.... Castro told The Associated Press on Thursday that [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]he believed the stop was prompted[/FONT] by a monitor being set off, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]not on his appearance[/FONT].

"[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]I don't think being Hispanic had anything to do with it[/FONT]," Castro said. He said he was detained for 40 to 45 minutes; the federal agency said it lasted 10 minutes.

The former governor [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]downplayed the detention[/FONT], noting that he [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]wasn't pleased with the way he was treated but didn't file a complaint[/FONT]. He said that he understands Border Patrol agents are "there to do a job" but that they need a better system for dealing with elderly people. He said he was exposed to the sun during part of the questioning.

"[FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]Once I identified myself[/FONT], who I was, and that I had been to the doctor, I was under medical care, I [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]have a pacemaker[/FONT] on my heart, (I would have [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]thought) that they would have[/FONT] been more considerate and [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]said, `Keep on going[/FONT].' But that didn't happen," Castro said.

*************UNQUOTE

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
11. His detention had nothinmg to do with the Arizona law.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:50 AM
Jul 2012

It was conducted by federal border patrol agents. The Arizona law had no influence on what happened one way or the other.

Also, to make a personal attack on him and call him a "tool Hispanic" based upon this incident is unwarranted. He had a distinguished career as both a Democratic office holder and US ambassador to to several different countries. He was appointed to diplomatic posts by both LBJ and Jimmy Carter.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
16. Yes, but that still doesn't mean that it had anything to do with the law passed
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jul 2012

by the State of Arizona. That was my point. I am not defending the fact that he was detained.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
18. Arizona and new Mexico have stops
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jul 2012

within the states on the highways where federal agents stop you looking for illegals.

I passed through them many times, and been stopped about half the time.

Federal law allows them to do this within a certain distance from the border.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
20. Oh yes, I lived in Arizona, I know...my friend with darker skin
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jul 2012

said that he would get stopped in Tucson all the time, by border patrol.

he's a citizen.

it happened so much that one wonders if just because the law allows it, if it really is okay.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
25. If we lived in a perfect world
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 06:04 PM
Jul 2012

I would say no.

But we don't live in a perfect world. You have to find a balance between the rights of the innocent and the guilty.

As an example, so I'm not misunderstood, the constitution says that a persons property cannot be violated without a lawfuly obtained warrant, naming those things to be searched for and seized.

That it a compromise between the rights of the innocent and the guilty.

UTUSN

(70,671 posts)
15. I have learned his officeholder resume since this story broke, don't know his personal
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jul 2012

characteristics, but there *are* members of minority groups (Hispanic, Black, Gay, women) who side with the oppressor side, like Beto GONZALEZ, Clarence THOMAS, Condo RICE, Mee-gwell ESTRADA (to use Orrin HATCH's pronunciation of "Miguel&quot , that some of us call Uncle Toms or houseboys or TOOLS. I do not know whether he leans that way given his Democratic background, but the highlights in my link show that he gave away the perfect complaints against the detention (if not the AZ State law).

If not an overt TOOL, he might be, at his 96 years, a remnant of the "genteel" generation of co-existence with the oppressors.

You've got a good point that the enforcing agents were Feds, not AZ officials acting on the AZ law. But his traveling companion said she was not questioned at all. Certainly he was the one with the radiation but she might have been an accomplice if his potential nefariousness were being checked out. And the the issue whether profiling based on appearance is potentially open. Even if the AZ law was not the controlling authority here, a finding against the Feds here might impact the AZ law, no?



ON EDIT: I stopped myself from saying that I was glad this important thread topic wasn't trivialized by idiotic references to the Fidel/Raul CASTROs of Cuba, or even, in the GD thread, references to hair coloring in males, somehow tied in with RAYGUN. But I see that there *are* such references, so I'll add this here.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
19. He has no case against the state law
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jul 2012

Becuase he wasn't stopped by state officers.

He was stopped by federal officers.

Border agents can do what thy like within a certain distance from the border.

Ignorance of the radical.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
21. border officers cannot "do what they like" --what a ridiculous post
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 04:59 PM
Jul 2012


they most certainly cannot "do what they like".

but at least we know you aren't a lawyer.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
24. They have more discretion in what they can do
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jul 2012

within a certain distance from the border then a officer farther from the border, or even most officers in general.

Is that better?

PS. Here's what I was looking a for..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

d_r

(6,907 posts)
26. my mom has been detained like that
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jul 2012

for setting off the radiation sensor on the way home from the hospital. They need to figure it out because in the southwest like that people have to drive a good ways to get to the hospital for stuff like that.

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