Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:35 PM
Galraedia (2,577 posts)
Chris Collins: 'People Now Don't Die From Prostate Cancer, Breast Cancer'
Source: Huffington Post
GOP congressional candidate Chris Collins knows health care is expensive these days, but he argues it's for good reason: People are no longer dying from deadly forms of cancer. "People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," he told The Batavian in an interview that was flagged Tuesday by City & State NY. Collins was discussing his desire to repeal Obamacare. "The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better, we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators -- they didn't exist 10 years ago," he continued. "The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases." In fact, a lot of people do die from breast cancer and prostate cancer, despite advances in treatment. An estimated 577,190 people in the United States will die from cancer this year, including about 39,920 deaths from breast cancer and 28,170 from prostate cancer, according to the American Cancer Society. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/chris-collins-cancer_n_1647196.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
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| Galraedia | Jul 2012 | OP | |
| stonecutter357 | Jul 2012 | #1 | |
| SoutherDem | Jul 2012 | #2 | |
| cstanleytech | Jul 2012 | #5 | |
| Third Doctor | Jul 2012 | #45 | |
| SharonAnn | Jul 2012 | #47 | |
| dmr | Jul 2012 | #53 | |
| TBF | Jul 2012 | #3 | |
| xchrom | Jul 2012 | #4 | |
| Skittles | Jul 2012 | #6 | |
| atreides1 | Jul 2012 | #7 | |
| Historic NY | Jul 2012 | #8 | |
| kwassa | Jul 2012 | #9 | |
| Third Doctor | Jul 2012 | #46 | |
| Geoff R. Casavant | Jul 2012 | #10 | |
| Flatulo | Jul 2012 | #15 | |
| GodlessBiker | Jul 2012 | #18 | |
| marybourg | Jul 2012 | #26 | |
| Geoff R. Casavant | Jul 2012 | #29 | |
| Flatulo | Jul 2012 | #30 | |
| markinsf | Jul 2012 | #31 | |
| GeorgeGist | Jul 2012 | #33 | |
| tanyev | Jul 2012 | #37 | |
| Geoff R. Casavant | Jul 2012 | #42 | |
| jumptheshadow | Jul 2012 | #43 | |
| Turbineguy | Jul 2012 | #11 | |
| GaYellowDawg | Jul 2012 | #12 | |
| Swede Atlanta | Jul 2012 | #13 | |
| longship | Jul 2012 | #14 | |
| Demonaut | Jul 2012 | #16 | |
| Downtown Hound | Jul 2012 | #17 | |
| bowens43 | Jul 2012 | #19 | |
| GoCubsGo | Jul 2012 | #35 | |
| Downwinder | Jul 2012 | #20 | |
| bluedigger | Jul 2012 | #21 | |
| Warren Stupidity | Jul 2012 | #22 | |
| Overseas | Jul 2012 | #23 | |
| kestrel91316 | Jul 2012 | #24 | |
| McCamy Taylor | Jul 2012 | #25 | |
| marybourg | Jul 2012 | #27 | |
| Mayberry Machiavelli | Jul 2012 | #28 | |
| AtheistCrusader | Jul 2012 | #32 | |
| drynberg | Jul 2012 | #34 | |
| GoCubsGo | Jul 2012 | #36 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Jul 2012 | #38 | |
| Warren Stupidity | Jul 2012 | #39 | |
| Marrah_G | Jul 2012 | #40 | |
| Rain Mcloud | Jul 2012 | #41 | |
| CBHagman | Jul 2012 | #44 | |
| Canuckistanian | Jul 2012 | #48 | |
| Prophet 451 | Jul 2012 | #49 | |
| Javaman | Jul 2012 | #50 | |
| indypaul | Jul 2012 | #51 | |
| Beacool | Jul 2012 | #52 | |
| Paula Sims | Jul 2012 | #54 | |
| Kteachums | Jul 2012 | #55 |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:37 PM
stonecutter357 (249 posts)
1. Chris Collins
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mouth breather.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:38 PM
SoutherDem (2,151 posts)
2. But they do Mr. Collins
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But, they are all poor so you don't care about them.
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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #2)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:51 PM
cstanleytech (5,302 posts)
5. Maybe he meant "those who are white-christian-republican-and earn more in one day
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than most people will earn within their lifetime."
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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:46 PM
Third Doctor (1,025 posts)
45. Exactly
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The Repugs attitude toward the poor ( a lot of them are too) its inhuman.
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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #2)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 02:48 PM
SharonAnn (9,644 posts)
47. Not true. I know a welathy, white man who died of prostate cancer in January.
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He had great health care.
It's not as common, perhaps, as it used to be, but it still can kill (and does) whether or not you have health care. Some cancers have various levels of agressiveness and fatality. And, I know several women (white and wealthy) who died of breast cancer. I think the death rates for that are higher than for prostate cancer. There are several types of breast cancer and prostate cancer. Some are detected and treated early and some are not. Some kill even with treatment and some don't. There's not just ONE kind of cancer of ONE kind of cancer situation. |
Response to SharonAnn (Reply #47)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 04:00 PM
dmr (25,775 posts)
53. You are so right. I've Stage IV breast cancer.
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It's incurable, & I'm alive by the grace of a cancer drug. So, as long as I keep responding to therapy, I'll be walking the halls of DU & out irritating Republicans.
But, as you say, some cancers aren't caught in time; and some cancers, as mine, grow very quickly & have a party metastasizing in all nooks, crannies & bone joints. The horrible pain & side affects from the combination of the cancer & it's therapy have made me less inclined to keep my mouth shut when I meet up with teabagger idiots or sell outs like this guy. I don't know what the future holds for me (well, I guess in a way, I do! These predators talk about how wonderful our healthcare is - ok, yea, we do have good care - IF you can get it. And, that's the problem, too many Americans are not receiving this wonderful care of which he speaks. And, he knows it, too. He doesn't care because his integrity is probably being bought & sold right this very moment. Oh, yea, last week, I "picked" on an old lady for complaining about the Roberts' decision. I was at the doctors. My son was with me. This woman pitched a fit. I asked her if she was paying cash or if Medicare was footing the doc's bill. Long story short, Uncle Sam was paying, & damn it she was entitled to it. Damn it, if you pay into a system, you've earned the right to use it. It's not a free ride. I told her I was relieved not having to worry about the donut hole either. I am fairly quiet, & have never been one to speak up like I have been lately. My son said I was polite, but on fire. Didn't mean to ramble on here. Sorry about that. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:43 PM
TBF (18,403 posts)
3. Republicans never let facts get in the way ... nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:46 PM
xchrom (90,524 posts)
4. Mr. Collins is a lying sack of shit. Nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:52 PM
Skittles (86,313 posts)
6. he means RICH people
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POOR people do not fucking count
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:54 PM
atreides1 (10,171 posts)
7. I wonder
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Do the Republicans have access to a private shopping mall, called Dumb Fucks R Us? Because these clowns running for office are so stupid it hurts...
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
Historic NY (19,723 posts)
8. Erie County Health Commissioner Dr. Gale Burstein today issued
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a statement regarding the incidence and mortality rates of prostate and breast cancer in Erie County, underlining their serious nature and the fact that people still suffer from these diseases. Former-Erie County Executive Chris Collins recently stated in an interview, “People now don’t die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things.”
“All types of cancer, including prostate and breast cancer, have significant mortality rates associated with them. During 2005-2009, Erie County saw an annual average of 826 cases of female breast cancer, with an average of 176 deaths per year. For prostate cancer in the same period, the annual average was 930 cases, with an average of 103 deaths per year.” “These numbers represent the sad reality that, despite advances in cancer treatments, people still die from these types of cancers. It is imperative that people not only be aware of the potential risks from all types of cancers but get appropriately screened and checked as recommended by your doctor for breast and prostate cancer.” http://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/cancer/registry/vol1/v1cerie.htm |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 PM
kwassa (15,658 posts)
9. Another uneducated congressman. This is a bad trend.
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This is similar to Bachman's fantasies about US history.
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Response to kwassa (Reply #9)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:48 PM
Third Doctor (1,025 posts)
46. What's worse
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are the people that vote for people like that.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:58 PM
Geoff R. Casavant (2,280 posts)
10. I think the article misinterprets his meaning.
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The article interprets him to mean, "no one ever dies from breast or prostate cancer," when what he obviously means is, more people are surviving these cancers than used to survive decades ago. In that respect, he is correct.
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Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:19 PM
Flatulo (3,961 posts)
15. Stop, you're making sense. nt
Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:28 PM
GodlessBiker (6,293 posts)
18. "What he obviously means"? Where are you pulling that from?
Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:18 PM
marybourg (2,204 posts)
26. Misinterprets? I thought it was a quote.
Response to marybourg (Reply #26)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:38 PM
Geoff R. Casavant (2,280 posts)
29. They do quote him, but they interpret him incorrectly in my opinion.
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The words he uses are subject to two interpretations. To me, it's clear he meant to say one thing, but the rest of the article tries to debunk what says assuming he meant something else entirely.
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Response to marybourg (Reply #26)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:44 PM
Flatulo (3,961 posts)
30. I agree with Geoff. He clearly means that people are living longer due
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to advanced, albeit more expensive, treatments. He just didn't articulate it very well.
Just my opinion, of course. You're free to believe that the man believes that absolutely no one ever dies of cancer. But I think that's very unlikely. I suppose someone could just ask him to clarify. |
Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
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Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 06:27 AM
GeorgeGist (9,540 posts)
33. Well. Then. Obviously.
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Obamacare should be repealed.
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Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:01 AM
tanyev (22,089 posts)
37. Except he uses that to justify why healthcare is so expensive and that
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Obamacare should be repealed, thereby earning all the ridicule he's received, even if partially misinterpreted.
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Response to tanyev (Reply #37)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:44 PM
Geoff R. Casavant (2,280 posts)
42. Oh, no doubt about that.
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He remains an asshat, just for a different reason.
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Response to Geoff R. Casavant (Reply #10)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:10 PM
jumptheshadow (2,665 posts)
43. This idiot often "mispeaks"
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He can't seem to put two sentences together without stepping in a knee-deep pile of feces.
>>Still, the focus once again returns to Collins and his penchant for remarks that attract widespread attention. When he was hinting about running for governor in 2009, he compared Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to Hitler and the anti-Christ - later acknowledging it was a poor attempt at humor. He again gained attention in 2010 when it was reported that he suggested a woman acquaintance could find a seat during the State of the State address in exchange for a “lap dance.”<< http://www.buffalonews.com/city/politics/article933937.ece Nice guy! Or maybe he just vocalizes what he's really thinking, and what he's thinking is nasty and dumb as a box of bricks. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:00 PM
Turbineguy (16,545 posts)
11. If the repubs get their way
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lots of people will die from lots of ailments.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:02 PM
GaYellowDawg (2,797 posts)
12. My father died from it a little over 2 years ago.
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God damn you, Collins, you sorry son of a bitch. Republicans will say anything. I wish there was some way to make blood vessels in their heads pop when they said things like this. That sorry piece of shit doesn't deserve to live another second.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:07 PM
Swede Atlanta (2,246 posts)
13. Republicans consider facts to be "inconvenient truths"
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They, like Hitler, repeat lie after lie after lie. They know that if the uneducated, non-critical thinking public hear the lie over and over again they will start to believe it. And, unfortunately, the vulnerable, often highly-religious do. After all they are conditioned to believe anything, no matter how illogical or immoral it may be, that emanates from a preacher's mouth. So insert Republican politician into the role of the preacher and, voila, you have immediate belief in total bullshit.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:11 PM
longship (17,661 posts)
14. Cancer can be cured?
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E.G., HuldaClark N.D. (Not a Doctor), is a cancer quack who claimed that all cancer could be cured by treating for a liver fluke. (If her treatments work, it's a fluke.)
She died in 2009, of... wait for it... Of cancer. Those who still support her apparently claim that her death was a fluke. And, of course, her fans are still selling her quack cures, which is what all these cancer quacks are about. I don't believe in Hell, but I think that if Hell exists there will be a central extraordinarily horrible place for people like Hulda Clark. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:19 PM
Demonaut (3,698 posts)
16. hope for those that recently died!
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republicans are idiots
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:24 PM
Downtown Hound (8,201 posts)
17. Oh, you mean my mom who died from breast cancer two years ago is actually still alive?
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Who knew?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:38 PM
bowens43 (14,360 posts)
19. are republicans this f*cking stupid?????
Response to bowens43 (Reply #19)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:52 AM
GoCubsGo (13,002 posts)
35. Most of them are.
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The rest have left the party, or are thinking of doing so.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:50 PM
Downwinder (7,124 posts)
20. I'm glad to hear that, I'll tell my daughter. She just had a double mastectomy.
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I guess we can all start smoking as there is no risk.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:52 PM
bluedigger (10,578 posts)
21. Who's mentoring this dumb ass?
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Allen West?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:24 PM
Warren Stupidity (31,926 posts)
22. Tell that to my dear friend Megan, dead at 30 from breast cancer.
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:25 PM
Overseas (10,861 posts)
23. Yeah, Golly, They just go bankrupt and couldn't get any more insurance til the ACA passed.
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:36 PM
kestrel91316 (45,394 posts)
24. Translation: "Healthcare would be ever so much cheaper if we would just let
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cancer patients die. Why are we bothering to treat them when they are such a drag on my wallet?"
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:02 PM
McCamy Taylor (13,710 posts)
25. Tell that to my father-in-law
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He'll be glad to know he isn't dead.
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #25)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:19 PM
marybourg (2,204 posts)
27. And Elisabeth Edwards.
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:29 PM
Mayberry Machiavelli (20,784 posts)
28. Good Lord where do they get these chuckleheads from.
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I mean, really.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:13 AM
AtheistCrusader (14,181 posts)
32. And the internet is a series of tubes unless it is a series of trucks.
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Some days, it just doesn't seem worth it, does it.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:36 AM
drynberg (487 posts)
34. CHRIS COLLINS = LIE
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So, candidate Collins is either a misinformed dim wit, or a liar. Time will, tell, but I'm going with the LIAR.
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Response to drynberg (Reply #34)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:53 AM
GoCubsGo (13,002 posts)
36. He can be both.
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And, he is.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:20 AM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
38. In the broad sense he's right
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obviously people *do* die of those cancers.
But far more are surviving today than would have 20 years ago. And that requires treatment. Which costs money. From a purely economic standpoint we'd be better off if people just got sick and died rather than getting better but requiring long term care. |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #38)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:12 AM
Warren Stupidity (31,926 posts)
39. You can get sick and better without requiring long term care.
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But it is unbelievably expensive. Without a system that equitably distributes health care resources only the wealthy will have access to the best care. These assholes know full well that their "plan", which ends up with each of us on our own with a shitty health care savings account, will deny all but the 1% access to state of the art treatment.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 11:56 AM
Marrah_G (22,413 posts)
40. Teh stupid....it burnssssssssssss
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
Rain Mcloud (485 posts)
41. After Rmoney
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fires all the firemen,who will extinguish their pants on fire?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:34 PM
CBHagman (14,018 posts)
44. Time to donate to Hochul, methinks.
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Also, it pains me to see someone as ignorant as Collins infesting Western New York.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 04:42 PM
Canuckistanian (42,195 posts)
48. They don't die from the pox or apoplexy, either
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Geezus, where do they find such idiots?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:02 PM
Prophet 451 (6,882 posts)
49. Yes, but no.
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Yes, more people live through those illnesses than would have done, say, twenty years ago.
But also no because A) people do still die from those illnesses and B) other nations manage a roughly similar survival rate without such an enormous cost. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 11:13 AM
Javaman (40,613 posts)
50. nothing worse than a deliberate moron. nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 11:46 AM
indypaul (942 posts)
51. Speaking as a cancer survivor
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EARLY DETECTION is the best form of death prevention. Despite the
discomfort of a digital examination they can work to ones benefit. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 11:49 AM
Beacool (19,055 posts)
52. My cousin would like to talk to him.
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Oops, my bad. She can't talk to him, or anyone else, because she died in her 50s from breast cancer.
Idiot....... |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 08:38 PM
Paula Sims (374 posts)
54. Rest in peace my dear friend Annie. . .
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You would have been 45 this year had it not been for the breast cancer that took you from us when you were 42. I still miss you dearly. . .
Ignore this idiot. And if you cross paths with him, slug him for me and many others. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jul 5, 2012, 10:50 PM
Kteachums (331 posts)
55. Dear Mr. Collins you are very inaccurate!
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I have breast cancer and am struggling with it now. Eight years ago my young daughter was diagnosed with breast cancer while she was pregnant with my young grandson. She survived and so did he but, I had to watch her go through chemo while he was in the womb. After the baby was born she became friends with other cancer patients that were young and going through the same experience as her. One of her young friends did not make it. Yes, there are good stories but, there are many sad ones. Cancer is not curable, yet. The medicines that cure cancer kill in other ways. They kill cells, weaken bones, cause heart failure. My father died with cancer over 30 years ago. There have been many advances made since his death but, there is no cure-all for this disease.
I keep wishing I will wake up tomorrow and someone will have found a cure. I wouldn't have to worry about my daughter (38 years old). She is well but, the medicine given eight years ago during chemo is known to cause heart problems in older life. The cancer that seems to run in my family is not the hereditary type. They ran all the tests they currently have and cannot find it as hereditary. I was diagnosed in February with breast cancer. I have been through a lymphectomy, radiation, and now, I am taking arimidex (a pill) which I will be on for the next five years. I did not have to do chemotherapy because a new test called the Oncotype Dx Test showed that my cancer had a low rate of recurrence if treated with radiation and (arimidex). |

