Paul Ryan: Repeal health law because rights come from God

This is insanity.

he is nutz and so are the people who voted for him.

"family values," anti-abortion, small government rhetoric, which the dumbass t-baggers and religious nuts believe and vote for, with a big R.

The Koch Bros. have probably paid for plenty of abortions themselves for their girlfriends or whatever.

Once they have the masses on their side, they can move toward their agenda of corporatocracy in America, exploitation of all natural resources and public lands, total heavy industrialization without regulations, and getting richer.

You've definitely got it figured out! And I love the way you describe the whole, sordid mess in a very succint way!

This is EXACTLY what is happening in this country, and the fools that believe are too stupid to see what is right in front of their faces!

I'm ashamed to say I live in Kentucky, Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul..so sorry for the nuts- McConnell has to go!

insane world indeed

If laws come from nature and god , what is Ryan doing in congress ? I guess waiting for a word from god .Apparently , god hasn't told him yet to care for his fellow citizens when they are in need .

Mind you these people are running to be in gov't, so it doesn't make sense, but I digress.

As soon as we get rid of guns. Nature and God have nothing to do with guns, so we should take that right away ASAP!

You were born naked so you should live that way all your life.

by Right Wingers who are shooting non-Christians or anyone who doesn't have a Bible by their bed and a cross on their wall.

And hell, that is what they'd really LIKE to do. Some of them already know which houses in town to hit first.

....their lists.

with a picture of the 3 stooges underneath it.

Kinda proves I'm sane.

Ryan is such an asshat.

and ultimately of America. Its just a matter of time unless the voters wake up.

"should be repealed because rights come from “nature and God,” not the government." comments like this are the clear indicator that they know they have lost and have nothing else left, but religious trite nonsense.

but my GOD no....

These Godless critters need to crawl back into the devil's hole.

Sick motherf*****

Just like every other Republican, Ryan talks the Jesus talk, but he walks the Ayn Rand walk. Like his fellow Republican Christians, he worships a Golden Elephant every Sunday.

St. Thomas Aquinas' natural law. In the immortal words of Repug Barbie, "Morality's hard ".

Next up: Eddie Munster tells us God makes it rain.

But, Matthew 25:41-46, he still burns in Hell.

After all its not from God.

would prefer that we suffer-what a frigging asshole. Do they actually BELIEVE the shit that comes out of their faces?

http://www.robzerban.com

I guess we never needed a constitution, nor a government

which would seem to put him out of a job.

Shouldn't someone have told this lying huckster

to cut the shit, and that, until "God" runs on the ballot,

he can thank both of the above for his "rights"?

God's will since he is taking voting rights away from specific groups of people.

God's photo I.D. and birth certificate should

he decide to run for office.

It makes all of us Christians look bad.

she or he is no longer covered by the Bill of Rights?

God will not vote your ignorant superstitious ass out of office so it falls to me to exercise my right,which is guaranteed by the Constitution.
You might read the Constitution some time,so that it does not appear to everyone that you are pandering to the tax free faith industry for campaign donations.

Also try reading this book which is commonly referred to as the Bible,then you won't sound like a total ignoramus to those who know that the Jewish People are God's chosen people,not Israel,not the used to be good-ol'-USA .
No,a circumcision and the Torah does not make you Jewish,so stop.
My God does not kill People on a whim,maybe Your God,the almighty Dollar does but not mine.
Lastly,I would like to invite You to shove your head up your own ass for being a shithead.

Back in the '70s it was still taught that the Bill of Rights was an enumeration of the basic rights that proceeded from Nature and Nature's God, according to the writers of the founding documents. Some didn't want to enumerate them because they thought simple minds would misunderstand the relationship between the enumerated rights and their actual rights, between the listing of rights and the rights that people had. It was thought some simpleton would misunderstand the Bill of Rights as the list of rights held and granted to the citizens, when it's the other way around: The Bill of Rights is a minimal list putting the government on notice that these are some, the most important, of the rights that it dare not trample.

The idea is that as a human being you have rights. It's a powerful idea. Some wanted to implement it more fully in the 1790s. Others didn't and the others won. But once the idea took hold, it tended to spread. We had to fight a war to deal with one part of the limitation on this idea--and the war itself tended to undermine the idea of rights. Then we had to have the suffragette movement to round out the idea--which is that nobody gives you your rights. You just have them. The most anybody can do is to deny you your rights. And the Constitution says that the denier of rights shall not be the federal government. State government? Individuals? Not what the Constitution was concerned with at the time. (That came later, Civil War and after.)

In the 1700s one of the principal right-deniers was the British crown and Parliament. The US soldiers fought, presumably, because liberty was better than tyranny. As Franklin put it, those who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither.

When they set up the first US as a confederation, they had a much more limited federal government. If somebody was going to infringe on your rights, it had to be a local government, not one a thousand miles away. Practically the confederation barely won the war; it wasn't able to govern the peace. So they scotched the confederation and formed the federation we have now, although it was a lot weaker to begin with.

The federation would be stronger than the confederation, and some feared that it would trample citizen's rights. Others argued this wouldn't happen. Some of the most important rights to be protected were listed: no quartering of troops in houses during peace time, freedom of press and speech and religion, due process, etc., etc. All of these are rights that you automatically have but which government can infringe and reduce. SCOTUS has ruled that some can be infringed--but only when there's a sufficient, a good enough, reason. All rights in the constitution are, originally, negative rights. You have them and the "right" is phrased as a prohibition against denying the right, they're phrased as limitations on government intrusion. All the rights not listed in the bill of rights still hold. You still have them. But "all the rights" at the time would have been natural rights, negative rights. Rights that basically tell the government to be hands off.

Even due process and fair trial are rights that you have because they seek to deny you of liberty and property, and they are rights you automatically have. It places a burden on government--but if government doesn't seek to curtail your freedom, then there's no burden on government to provide a fair trial. It's an obligation placed upon others by virtue of actions they want to take to limit you.

If rights come from government, then the Constitution has to be rewritten: "We, the government of the United States, in order to have subjects, ordain that the population of the United States of America shall be our citizens, subject to the constraints and rights that we, their controllers, grant them at the time of our choosing and in the manner we provide for." But it's the other way round: We consent to ordain the government as is our natural right, and permit it to function so long as it doesn't trample on our rights any more than absolutely necessary.

In practice it often works the first way--government is first, the citizens second. This is backwards, and the tension between a citizenry that places freedom above security and the need to provide order and security is what made America an interesting place for a long time. Now that a lot of people want security, temporary or permanent, and have decreed that security is liberty there's no wonder that we have all kinds of demands--from the Patriot Act and greater freedom through greater government monitoring to the assertion of a lot of positive rights.

Good post though.

in High School American History,but it strays from Paul Ryan's remark that the ACA should be struck down because all rights come from God and not from Government.
When and if God does show up,like Lucille Ball,He 'as some essplainin' to do.
Till that time the Government's authority comes from the people,by the people,for the people,not some bi-polar sky being.

Thank You for the well written responses.

because this statement makes no sense at all.

Or Just Anti-Rights?

an thinks the world of her, and her sayings.

they didn't come from God or nature.

his Utopian vision of world with only God given and natural rights.
A lot of buzz words, and not a lot of substance.

...we'll be living in Ryan's "Utopia" by 2014.

Who didn't really want to taint the idea of natural rights by enumerating them.

Natural rights are rights that inhere in humans by virtue of Nature and Nature's God. If you think that the people who wrote the founding documents wrote what they meant and meant what they wrote. It's a novel idea, I know, but they were amateur politicians.

Going along with that thinking no laws should be made ever as this is god's domain and we should not interfere. A total dog eat dog world and nothing other. Do they really think this resonates with the public? I surely hope not otherwise this country is in much more trouble than I had ever imagined.

but what ever it takes to win an election.

I guess he is right, his God would love to see people suffer and die from lack of heath care.

so I suppose it's quite true that in their world, rights come entirely from money.

The right to think oneself "superior" to others, because wealth and power are also "god given".

These are the two predominant philosophies on the right and where they cross is the ugly justifications for both loving the wealthy and hating the poor.

The nature he talks of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

The god he talks of...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

Or in the simplest of terms "Kill em all and let god sort em out."

This is what happens when you take the "competition above all else" ethos to it's logical conclusion.

Where god most definitely isn't the mayor, the cop, the judge, or the legislature, the rest of us recognize that rights must be defined and upheld by human beings.

Even among religious people (I'm not) I expect this is seen as a crackpot statement.

I am entitled also to be free FROM your religion. I still don't understand why some people want to disallow others from collectively "doing for themselves."

When you get sick, it's because God wants you to be sick.

Hasn't it been within the last few weeks that both the NUNS ON THE BUS TOUR and a bunch of Catholic Bishops have mounted a public campaign about how fucking horrible the Ryan Budget would be to the poor, elderly and disenfranchised?

He's got NUNS AND BISHOPS coming down hard and publicly on him for his heartless budget and he plays the God card?


Uh, Paul, people a lot closer to God than you are telling the world you and your budget totally suck. I don't think God's got your back on this one, pal!

-90% jimmy

"Endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. To ensure these rights governments are instituted among men." That is the job of government. It ensures the right to life. We all have equal right to live, that is not die because we can't afford health care.
Paul Ryan must have been educated in a school that used American history books approved by the Texass board of education.

Has lost it's damned mind. They also hold this jerk who has federally funded healthcare as some type of hero.

I HATE this whole concept that healthcare isn't a human right.