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Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:52 PM

Mormons Quit Church in Mass Resignation Ceremony

Source: Reuters

Mormons quit church in mass resignation ceremony

Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:07 p.m.
By Jennifer Dobner

SALT LAKE CITY (Reuters) - A group of about 150 Mormons quit their church in a mass resignation ceremony in Salt Lake City on Saturday in a rare display of defiance ending decades of disagreement for some over issues ranging from polygamy to gay marriage.

Participants from Utah, Arizona, Idaho and elsewhere gathered in a public park to sign a "Declaration of Independence from Mormonism."

"This feels awesome," said Alison Lucas, from West Jordan, Utah, who took part in the rally amid soaring temperatures. "I don't know if I would have had the courage except in a group."

The Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is known for its culture of obedience, and the mass ceremony was a seldom-seen act of collective revolt.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE86000N20120701?irpc=932

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Reply Mormons Quit Church in Mass Resignation Ceremony (Original post)
Hissyspit Jun 2012 OP
Mira Jun 2012 #1
Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #9
kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #13
roguevalley Jul 2012 #16
FreeState Jul 2012 #33
roguevalley Jul 2012 #49
FreeState Jul 2012 #54
roguevalley Jul 2012 #56
MADem Jul 2012 #27
kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #30
FrodosPet Jul 2012 #46
AZSharksfan Jul 2012 #45
MADem Jul 2012 #48
goclark Jun 2012 #2
freshwest Jun 2012 #4
alfredo Jul 2012 #38
XemaSab Jun 2012 #3
MADem Jul 2012 #28
freshwest Jul 2012 #31
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #5
Festivito Jul 2012 #14
davidpdx Jul 2012 #17
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #19
davidpdx Jul 2012 #21
Rozlee Jul 2012 #32
Ken Burch Jul 2012 #42
onehandle Jun 2012 #6
FreeState Jul 2012 #34
backscatter712 Jun 2012 #7
closeupready Jun 2012 #8
cgnick Jul 2012 #10
catrose Jul 2012 #29
Bozita Jul 2012 #11
davidpdx Jul 2012 #18
Jack Rabbit Jul 2012 #36
alfredo Jul 2012 #39
Arugula Latte Jul 2012 #12
gopiscrap Jul 2012 #15
KatChatter Jul 2012 #20
FreeState Jul 2012 #35
hedgehog Jul 2012 #22
Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2012 #23
goclark Jul 2012 #43
Hubert Flottz Jul 2012 #24
MADem Jul 2012 #25
Turbineguy Jul 2012 #26
L0oniX Jul 2012 #37
alfredo Jul 2012 #40
Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #44
alfredo Jul 2012 #47
grantcart Jul 2012 #50
alfredo Jul 2012 #53
and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #41
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2012 #51
leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #52
EmeraldCityGrl Jul 2012 #55

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:53 PM

1. WOW - this could not come at a better time for all of America. n/t

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Response to Mira (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 11:56 PM

9. hopefully they are progressive Obama supporters

and the media will seize on the stories, as one after another
they tell their bizarre tales about Mormonism and why Romney is
dangerous and insane.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:19 AM

13. Sadly, since there is mention of the dispute involving polygamy,

I suspect this is Mormon FUNDIES leaving in a huff.

Polygamy is not done in the mainstream LDS church now. No official would ever condone it. It may go on unofficially, but never as part of open church policy.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:01 AM

16. this is a massive thing for a mormon, especially a utah mormon. they don't even

allow magazines shown that don't have modest pictures on the cover. This is a lifestyle as well as a religion and for anyone to quit let alone publically, its massive.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:58 PM

33. "they don't even allow magazines shown that don't have modest pictures on the cover"

What? Can you give an example?

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Response to FreeState (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 12:41 AM

49. they put cover things in front of women's magazines that have bare

arms and such at the grocery store. Truly.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 01:30 AM

54. I lived in Utah for 10 years - I saw that all the time

You must be thinking of some other state because I even baught porn in Utah.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 10:09 PM

56. you can buy it. that isn't the thing. They do have the covers over the covers. They

do the same here in some parts of alaska. Utah has the highest rate of porn consumption in america.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:29 AM

27. I think these guys might be more liberal than your average Mormon...

Among the reasons cited by those resigning are the church's political activism against gay marriage and doctrinal teachings that conflict with scientific findings or are perceived as racist or sexist.

Others cite inconsistencies in the Mormons' explanation of its own history, including the practice of polygamy. The church renounced plural marriage over a century ago as Utah was seeking statehood.

Asked about the resignations, a church spokesman said the church loves and respects each member.

"People make their own decisions about the direction they will follow in life," spokesman Michael Purdy said in an email. "While there are very few who take this action, it is sad to see someone choose to leave. We wish them well."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-06-30/news/sns-rt-us-usa-utah-mormonsbre86000n-20120630_1_mormon-culture-church-spokesman-president-brigham-young

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:14 PM

30. Oh I missed all that, lol. They appear to be liberal. OF COURSE they

are being excommunicated. There is zero tolerance for open liberalism in the LDS.

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 03:25 PM

46. Leave the church? How dare they!

Now in the Church of $cientology, you are ostracized and "dead agented" for your treason!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#.22Dead_agenting.22

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 01:31 PM

45. It wasn't

I was there and quoted in the Reuters article and none of us were fundamentalists. The reporter asked me what issues I talked about with the bishop initially and it included polygamy and polyandry and the way they are taught versus the way it actually went down. Polygamy is still part of the mainstream church, it is still in the mormon scriptures and still believed to be necessary to be a polygamist in heaven. It is still practiced in a way also - when a wife dies the husband can remarry and be sealed to the new wife, so he is technically sealed to multiple women. A couple of the church apostles are in this situation.

Those issues were not why I ultimately resigned, though, which were my objections to the church's teachings on homosexuality, race, and gender.

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Response to AZSharksfan (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:05 PM

48. Hi! Thanks for posting that clarification --it is wonderful to hear a first-person account.

Welcome to DU, btw--hope we see more of you.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 09:55 PM

2. Amazing!

Finally, even if it's just a few -- simply amazing!

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Response to goclark (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:02 PM

4. I wonder which of the two groups was the majority, though?

One was progressive, the other regressive.

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Response to goclark (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:52 PM

38. Sometimes the act of a few brave souls emboldens others.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:01 PM

3. Sounds like some resigned because the church was too conservative

and some because the church was too liberal.

Sort of like Obama's supporters.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:31 AM

28. The Chicago Tribune coverage (see above) said it was because the church LIED about why they

had polygamy, not because anyone in the resigning group supported it.

I think all these people were of the liberal to moderate persuasion.

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Response to MADem (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:47 PM

31. Thanks for the clarification.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:09 PM

5. My grandfather quit the Mormons(and was put through an excommunication

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in which he was told that he'd be unable to communicate with my grandmother in heaven as a result)because he felt the Mormons were a "men's only" church. This was a damn advanced thing for a millworker in Mill City, Oregon to do in the 1920's.

I think, in a way, he'd be with these people in spirit.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:26 AM

14. Seem like a man who knew his communication would go on unhindered.

Both can soar in a son's affirmation of their own spirit.

And, from someone who can't dedicate the time and energy you do in good cause, I couldn't let your post go unanswered. Thanks for what you do.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:09 AM

17. Mill City Oregon

I'm from Oregon and didn't even know where that was. I thought the town I grew up in was small. Wow....

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:20 AM

19. It's in the Cascade foothills, as you drive towards the Santiam Pass

on the way to Sisters and Bend.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:36 AM

21. Yeah I saw that on the map

I've seen the turnoff from I-5 as I'm speeding back and forth between the southern and northern parts of the state.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 03:18 PM

32. Sort of like how the Catholic bishops are threatening to excommunicate

those in their congregations who support abortion rights and gay marriage. The world is progressing and these religious dinosaurs are in the bullseye of an impact event that is, in turn, threatening their own religious organizations. The Church is already shedding members, a half million estimated world-wide every year. Ten percent of the U.S. population are former Catholics and younger members are turning their faces away from the faith completely. It would be great if Mormons performed a mass exodus as well. But, they're not a just-on-Sunday religion. Their faith extends into every facet of their lives and they have a powerful social and professional networking system that rewards them with school and job referrals and recommendations that keep them connected in home life, work, college, and binds them together in a, well, cult-like fashion. But, most of us know that already from the comments I've seen posted here. Like one of my former supervisors who went to a convention in Utah once told us after a meeting with some Mormon contractors (who'd tried to convert him, natch), "Those people are spooky. They all have the same smile."

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:27 PM

42. And, how they DID excommunicate Father Roy Bourgeois, the leader of "SOA Watch"

Just because he took part in the ordination of a woman.

I think Benedict is trying to drive all the progressives out of the Church and make it into an institution that is just as personally and intellectually intolerant as Wahhabism-it's possible that he sees that as the only way to compete with that other faith.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:11 PM

6. But Mormons are normal. The billboards that the church put up to support Rmoney say so. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:04 PM

34. What billboards?

The only ones I have ever scene have been part of a PR campaign that has been going on for over 20 years (yes they update the messages on them and the imagery but they are part of an ongoing ad campaign)

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:12 PM

7. Most excellent! I can't think of a better way to call out the Church of Morm^Hon on their bullshit!

I hope the news about this spreads!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2012, 10:26 PM

8. Good for them. K&R

nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:35 AM

10. The sad thing is that they will face persicution from church members. nt

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Response to cgnick (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 01:48 PM

29. True.

At a minimum in their social life and family relationships, but also if they are working for Mormons--and it's pretty hard not to in SLC.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:50 AM

11. Just wondering what Willard Rmoney will say about this.

I'm betting on crickets.

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Response to Bozita (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:10 AM

18. Crickets it will be

It wouldn't serve his purpose of getting elected and would harm him if he commented. They'll dance around it.

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Response to Bozita (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:17 PM

36. . . . and crickets it should be

This is about the private religious beliefs of individuals. It's not a campaign issue.

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Response to Bozita (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:57 PM

39. I wonder if Willard was the catalyst?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:51 AM

12. Anytime anyone walks away from religion it's a good thing.

And an angel gets its wings. Okay, not really for that last thing.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 02:40 AM

15. That's interesting

I would have to have seen that!!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:34 AM

20. But can one really quit the church?

 

I looked in to quitting the catholic church and you know what, you can't! Once you are baptized short of excommunication you are a member for life and they can and will count you as a member to make the numbers look good. I even asked to be excommunicated too to get out.

Granted I have not gone to church in well forever but I would like to be removed for the roles.

The LDS may be the same way, one can baptize dead people who were not even members.

I think churches should only count active members who attend weekly, the church attendance numbers in America would be much lower then people claim they are.

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Response to KatChatter (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 04:10 PM

35. You can have your name removed from the LDS church records

So yes it is possible to leave - but you do have to jump through some hoops to do it (write a letter and wait a month for a letter to come back saying if you dont do anything you will not be a member in 30 days. Its pretty simple actually.)

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:47 AM

22. These people were very hurt by their church one way or another.

They are risking very much in leaving. I hope they find happiness on their journey.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 08:56 AM

23. Did Bill Maher Officiate?




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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 10:31 AM

43. Wow! That was funny! K

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 09:18 AM

24. I'd hate to be around when the repo man comes for their magic unterhose.

And their child wives!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:22 AM

25. "...known for its culture of obedience...."

What a phrase!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 11:23 AM

26. I need another cup of coffee.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 05:50 PM

37. Stupid cult!

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 06:05 PM

40. The possessor of the golden plates is

Angel Moroni. Was Joseph Smith playing a joke on his marks?

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Response to alfredo (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:35 PM

44. The term was not in common use in Smith's time. And of course there is no evidence

that he knew Greek, or even pretended to, although he did make up words & claim them to be Hebrew. For example, iirc, the old Mormon-founded town of Nauvoo, IL was so-named because Smith claimed Nauvoo was Hebrew for "Beautiful."


From the Online Etymology Dictionary--

moron
1910, from Gk. (Attic) moron, neut. of moros "foolish, dull" (probably cognate with Skt. murah "idiotic;" L. morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Greek). Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. Linnĉus had introduced morisis "idiocy."

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 05:21 PM

47. I stand corrected.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:07 AM

50. Or both he and the angel knew what it would mean in the future

and both had a cynical sick sense of humor!

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Response to grantcart (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 02:57 PM

53. Angel Moroni was the author of the Aristocrats joke.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sun Jul 1, 2012, 07:15 PM

41. Good for them!! nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:09 AM

51. My father and I got into a major argument over the issue of modern day Mormons.

I tried to tell him that there is an entire segment of the Mormon population that is NOT traditional, and is in fact very socially progressive. He dismissed me. Even became angry. He thinks that there is no such thing as a progressive Mormon. I countered but he just kept on in his defiance.

I can now send him this article.

Thanks!!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 11:40 AM

52. "Latter-day Saints is known for its culture of obedience". all religions are based on obedience

 

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 02:15 AM

55. I've read some of the ex-Mormon forums...

they not only despise Rmoney, they sometimes have an
unique perspective on what makes him tick. Many are
PTSD survivors from their experience in the organization.
To think those tactics, crafted and refined to cause such psychological
pain are done so by the current GOP candidate.

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