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BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax

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Source: Think Progress

The Supreme Court has upheld the individual mandate in Obamacare, paving the way for full implementation of the law in the states and ensuring that millions of uninsured Americans haves access to affordable coverage. The court upheld the provision as a tax. The Medicaid expansion is limited, but not invalidated, the court found. In short: “the entire ACA is upheld, with the exception that the federal government’s power to terminate states’ Medicaid funds is narrowly read.” Roberts joined Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan.

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BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax (Original post)	Skinner	Jun 2012	OP
This message was self-deleted by its author	davidpdx	Jun 2012	#1
Hold off... CNN IS WRONG. SKinner will correct his post, I'm sure.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#25
listening to Steph, I am stunned looks like big victory for Obama	rurallib	Jun 2012	#33
It would be a big victory for Romney too were it not for Obama Derangement Syndrome.	Ganja Ninja	Jun 2012	#89
You watch Stephanie Miller too, huh?	zanana1	Jun 2012	#101
Actually I wasn't watching or listening this morning.	Ganja Ninja	Jun 2012	#110
She says "Obama Derangement Syndrome" alot. nt	zanana1	Jun 2012	#347
Now I'm waiting for RMoney to take credit...	liberalmuse	Jun 2012	#107
That's the problem with ODS, he can't.	Ganja Ninja	Jun 2012	#156
Get out of my head! That's exactly what I was thinking. He will definitely start taking credit for	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jun 2012	#186
If Romney takes credit for ACA, then he might be the first GOP Presidential candidate ...	Kennah	Jun 2012	#326
Truth from the lying Romney	tavalon	Jun 2012	#328
Agreed. He was too stupid to own it from the beginning	Volaris	Jun 2012	#244
No, its a big victory for the insurance industry.	Myrina	Jun 2012	#169
That it is	Mz Pip	Jun 2012	#176
I'd rather my neighbors bought insurance and got healthy...	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#197
We should	christx30	Jun 2012	#262
Great idea...I would not mind having a gun. Will there be discounts for the elderly and blind???	dixiegrrrrl	Jun 2012	#280
Mandated guns for the blind?	Lionel Mandrake	Jun 2012	#304
I'll take RW False equivalency for 800 Alex.	Son of Gob	Jun 2012	#290
Hah!	tavalon	Jun 2012	#329
Exactly.	Zoeisright	Jun 2012	#267
You are deliberately ignoring the the subsidies, the mandated cost controls, and the rebates.	Ikonoklast	Jun 2012	#205
Exactly, geez, why aren't the insurance companies all for it then?	treestar	Jun 2012	#240
Because...	Bully Taw	Jun 2012	#279
It is not a win for them	treestar	Jun 2012	#297
Then the insurance companies are as stupid as rocks	tavalon	Jun 2012	#330
huh	heaven05	Jun 2012	#228
The mandated premiums are not going to be that much	Maraya1969	Jun 2012	#261
Unfortunately...	Bully Taw	Jun 2012	#268
True, but I think it's a necessary step.	caseymoz	Jun 2012	#295
"Once people have health care without the looming threat of bankruptcy..."	area51	Jun 2012	#308
Not kidding. You just don't understand the statistic.	caseymoz	Jun 2012	#319
You know what's funny?	tavalon	Jun 2012	#332
You are right,	tavalon	Jun 2012	#331
what we can do now and in the near future	daybranch	Jun 2012	#341
But I don't think this arrangement will last.	caseymoz	Jun 2012	#294
Yeah, I think emotions are running high for everyone	davidpdx	Jun 2012	#39
Yep. First, but wrong!	flpoljunkie	Jun 2012	#50
...but it never hurts to tell the Rs to fuck off anyway. :)	cyberswede	Jun 2012	#51
Skinner must have seen this picture:	freshwest	Jun 2012	#235
LOLOL the look on his face is tremendous...	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#237
Okay, Boehner, repeat after me, 'Yes, Madame Speaker.' Get used to it...	freshwest	Jun 2012	#270
Amy Howe on Scotus says it survive as a tax nt	TomClash	Jun 2012	#2
Which was exactly my argument all along	ET Awful	Jun 2012	#57
Me too.	Eric J in MN	Jun 2012	#98
That's a reasonable explanation that I like much better than the way I'd been looking at it.	yardwork	Jun 2012	#126
I bet it was 5-4.	rurallib	Jun 2012	#3
Scotus blog just reported that vote was indeed 5-4.	flpoljunkie	Jun 2012	#71
Kennedy: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."	flpoljunkie	Jun 2012	#94
It gets weird - Kennedy against, CJ Roberts for...	Taverner	Jun 2012	#113
Not surprised	Blasphemer	Jun 2012	#178
EXACTLY. Robert reich wrote an article predicitng that ROberts would vote with the liberals only bec	robinlynne	Jun 2012	#223
Either that or he's in the pocket of big insurance and they love the mandate.	Sirveri	Jun 2012	#243
It is Not a 20% Profit Margin	On the Road	Jun 2012	#269
I'm willing to bet they'll still make plenty of money.	Sirveri	Jun 2012	#276
They May Indeed Make Money	On the Road	Jun 2012	#287
Why would the overhead rise?	Sirveri	Jun 2012	#316
Roberts is an evil, evil man	tavalon	Jun 2012	#333
You are drastically undervaluing the cartels influence on the bill	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#342
You have made at least 4 good points in 2 paragraphs.	tavalon	Jun 2012	#343
The Overhead Doesn't Rise in Absolute Terms	On the Road	Jul 2012	#350
I don't know what to think, other than that I don't trust Roberts.	Sirveri	Jul 2012	#351
I laways knew who Kenndy really is and how he thinks about Obama. nt	nanabugg	Jun 2012	#189
You know what, Kennedy....	BlueDemKev	Jun 2012	#208
race	heaven05	Jun 2012	#233
It's more the "non-conservative wing" than the "liberal" wing...	JHB	Jun 2012	#206
On Scotus blog	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#4
+1	uponit7771	Jun 2012	#6
That's wht they're saying on NPR. Calling it a tax. n/t	truth2power	Jun 2012	#27
It is a tax.	tavalon	Jun 2012	#334
I'm not complaining that it's a tax. Just saying. eom	truth2power	Jul 2012	#353
Thanks for being the first to post this in LBN.	MineralMan	Jun 2012	#5
This is what happens	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#7
SCOTUS blog says that	Inuca	Jun 2012	#8
lol, oklahoma better get their butts in gear. they put	okieinpain	Jun 2012	#59
It worked in Massachusetts	tavalon	Jun 2012	#336
Joins is a pretty strong word	tavalon	Jun 2012	#335
ABC just reported that SCOTUS upholds the mandate with a 6-3 decision.	Skidmore	Jun 2012	#9
Wow	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#23
Holy shit, that 6-3 margin was exactly	liberalhistorian	Jun 2012	#64
It was 5-4 as reported by Reuters. 6-3 was for the other decision reported at the same time.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#86
Whoa	Marrah_G	Jun 2012	#99
I think that door is now open. Only have to fight through 50 million	harun	Jun 2012	#130
I hope so	lunatica	Jun 2012	#164
First broccoli - then single payer (n/t)	klook	Jun 2012	#171
Squash comes after broccoli.	BootinUp	Jun 2012	#253
Oh, I hope so.	tavalon	Jun 2012	#337
LOL! Polyconfusion!	tosh	Jun 2012	#10
CBS News says the opposite	LuckyTheDog	Jun 2012	#11
So does ABC (n/t)	Jon Ace	Jun 2012	#15
Yes, it is CNN is saying something different	davidpdx	Jun 2012	#20
Obama so needs a second term.	Mira	Jun 2012	#12
And a third, and a fourth, and a fifth	BamaFanLee	Jun 2012	#54
Perish the thought	Mister Ed	Jun 2012	#143
IIRC, the "good reason" was a posthumous potshot at FDR	JHB	Jun 2012	#215
Regardless of origial intention, it's a good law. Contemplate thirty years of a Bush presidency.	Mister Ed	Jun 2012	#248
I agree in fact I would be for one 5 or 6 year term and that would be it	gopiscrap	Jun 2012	#222
I used to think so	Downtown Hound	Jun 2012	#321
Two terms are more than enough for	Autumn	Jun 2012	#252
Careful what you wish for	loyalsister	Jun 2012	#277
My opinion is that the reason congress is such a mess is because	Autumn	Jun 2012	#278
Do you think they would spend less time campaigning if the were term limited?	loyalsister	Jun 2012	#289
Of course they do. Do you think they have	Autumn	Jun 2012	#301
Why don't you move to Missouri and watch it in action	loyalsister	Jun 2012	#313
Second term & change of congress	Raggaemon	Jun 2012	#136
Exactly	abelenkpe	Jun 2012	#218
I think the teabaggers would've been more motivated had it been struck down	Happydayz	Jun 2012	#266
Change to Congress	tavalon	Jun 2012	#338
Medicaid limited but not invalidated	TomClash	Jun 2012	#13
Mandate is constitutional	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#14
MSNBC now says it's upheld	Misskittycat	Jun 2012	#19
Looks like CNN was in too much of a hurry	Inuca	Jun 2012	#16
Yep, they gotta read more than one sentence in these opinions.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#30
Reuters says upheld	jpak	Jun 2012	#17
Confusion reigns...how typical.	HereSince1628	Jun 2012	#21
NO!!! It was not. It survives under tax authority of Congress, but not as a commerce issue.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#18
Stephanie Miller says A.P. says it was upheld, but redefined as a tax. n/t	Ian David	Jun 2012	#22
The bottom line:	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#24
BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax 5-4 Roberts	cal04	Jun 2012	#26
Thank you!	Skinner	Jun 2012	#37
You're very welome! It's live on ABC	cal04	Jun 2012	#42
Ye Gods, is this operation Chaos?	JohnnyLib2	Jun 2012	#28
CNN IS A GETTING KILLED. 5 Mins behind the news. Unreal. Don't they watch other channels?	MidwestTransplant	Jun 2012	#29
Hey, c'mon now, give 'em a break.	liberalhistorian	Jun 2012	#78
Drudgereport had the correct news well before them. Then I had to turn to Fox to find out certain.	MidwestTransplant	Jun 2012	#108
Yeah...they take their cues from FAUX.	Maven	Jun 2012	#257
Entire ACA upheld (but limits on the Medicaid penalty to states)	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#31
1015: Tom Goldstein at ScotusBlog writes	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#38
They can't penalize states that don't participate in the medicaid expansion. n/t	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#82
what the hell, it's 2000 all over again. yes, no, yes, no. lol n/t.	okieinpain	Jun 2012	#32
According to the live blog it was upheld	liberal N proud	Jun 2012	#34
Initial post quoted CNN and was wrong. Thanks for your edit.	Sienna86	Jun 2012	#35
The Medicaid provision is limited but not invalidated.	BamaFanLee	Jun 2012	#36
Justice Roberts for Democrat of the Year!	Jon Ace	Jun 2012	#40
I can't imagine the gnashing and wailing going on in Freeper-ville,	Volaris	Jun 2012	#68
Yeah, one vote does not a Souter make.	tavalon	Jul 2012	#348
CNN is wrong. The health care law was upheld in total	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2012	#41
Both CNN and Fox had banners at first saying it was struck down, then had to reverse that,	highplainsdem	Jun 2012	#43
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN!!!!11!1!!1!1!	bullwinkle428	Jun 2012	#44
We project Gore has won Florida, No wait--Bush has so hes' elected, uh, hold on...we retract that...	BlueDemKev	Jun 2012	#212
I am less surprised that I thought I might be	hifiguy	Jun 2012	#45
Agree. And it might just be possible..	Volaris	Jun 2012	#84
I must say, my opionion of Roberts is changing	groundloop	Jun 2012	#100
I always assumed, for that very reason, that he would vote for upholding the ACA. Although I am	Kencorburn	Jun 2012	#146
surprised but happy	rdking647	Jun 2012	#46
I think President Obama just got re-elected=)	Volaris	Jun 2012	#47
except for the SC calling it a "tax" - the wingnuts will go to town on this.	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#211
I said back when they were debating the ACA they would be better off saying	harun	Jun 2012	#238
see post 173=)	Volaris	Jun 2012	#239
The money quote:	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#48
I am shocked! wow, in a few years, I'll have health insurance again!	Maeve	Jun 2012	#49
You win prize for best remark in this thread	frazzled	Jun 2012	#105
Seriously--we buy catastrophic insurance now at about the same cost we will pay in 2014	Maeve	Jun 2012	#247
... too bad you won't be able to afford to eat, though ...	Myrina	Jun 2012	#170
$95 if you make more than $40,000/yr.	rgbecker	Jun 2012	#256
I already pay $850 a month for inadaquit health care coverage...	Walk away	Jun 2012	#318
drudge says upheld. lol. cnn sucks, liberal media my butt. n/t.	okieinpain	Jun 2012	#52
Does CNN have any credibility left?	dhill926	Jun 2012	#53
LOL again! Twitter is on fire with CNN #FAIL	tosh	Jun 2012	#55
Massive victory!	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#56
The court reinforces	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#58
YEE -HAWWW!	warrprayer	Jun 2012	#60
Supreme Court hints you don't need to pay (this) tax if you feel it's wrong...	FailureToCommunicate	Jun 2012	#61
The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#62
So, the states can choose not to pay for oral contraceptives (for any reason) and can't	gkhouston	Jun 2012	#85
The critical detail	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#63
Sounds like Robert Reich had it right about the decision...	FailureToCommunicate	Jun 2012	#65
I think so as well	harun	Jun 2012	#120
The court holds	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#66
I GET TO LIVE!!!!!	zanana1	Jun 2012	#67
i am so happy for you and people in your situation its making me tear up	leftyohiolib	Jun 2012	#125
I am happy to read this!	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#187
I am so glad for you (and the rest of America)	Smilo	Jun 2012	#194
any negative feeling, thought,	dana_b	Jun 2012	#296
Thank you to Chief Justice John Roberts.	gauguin57	Jun 2012	#69
Hear, hear!	RedSpartan	Jun 2012	#73
A tip of the hat.	RedSpartan	Jun 2012	#70
Justice Ginsberg makes clear	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#72
Screen capture of CNN's fuck up	alfredo	Jun 2012	#74
And Gore wins Florida!	RedSpartan	Jun 2012	#77
LOL	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#80
They finally changed it to: "Supreme Court upholds Obamacare 5-4"	NBachers	Jun 2012	#109
THAT BELONGS ON FAIL-BLOG!!!	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#230
I put that up on FaceBook as soon as I saw it. I hope it spreads	alfredo	Jun 2012	#258
The decision is well written in my opinion -- relatively easy to read.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#302
I'm going t try to read it today after a photo walk this morning.	alfredo	Jun 2012	#340
states can opt out???	unhinged1	Jun 2012	#75
I heard that too, on CNBC	siligut	Jun 2012	#95
States can choose not to expand medicaid	missingthebigdog	Jun 2012	#123
WELCOME to DU!!	beac	Jun 2012	#134
thanks	unhinged1	Jun 2012	#175
Opt out from the the Medicaid portion or the entire Act?	Samantha	Jun 2012	#323
In his opening statement in dissent,	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#76
SAD that Kennedy would rule on it this way. So glad that Roberts was actually fair on this one.	RBInMaine	Jun 2012	#102
Yes, I'm disappointed in	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#131
if you're a 14yo murderer he'll change the law of the land for you but if get cancer you	leftyohiolib	Jun 2012	#246
That is precisely what deciding against the law would have meant for so many Americans.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#303
The only effect of not complying with the mandate	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#79
Pete Williams (NBC) is spinning this wrong--political	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2012	#81
The mandate always was a tax.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#97
so, If the court has upheld that a tax for health care is legal...	Shadowflash	Jun 2012	#83
There was never any serious doubt that a health care tax is legal...	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#106
KnR!!!	KansDem	Jun 2012	#87
Per SCOTUSBlog	fifthoffive	Jun 2012	#88
Awesome that Roberts cared so much! I am thrilled	LaurenG	Jun 2012	#90
Let us remember	Glaisne	Jun 2012	#91
Corporate conservative Gov. Romney adopted for MA.	Volaris	Jun 2012	#149
+1 We need a like button for posts here. nt	LaurenG	Jun 2012	#157
"Obama opposition disorder" Good one. And sadly, that is the reality behind all	FailureToCommunicate	Jun 2012	#150
Exactly	JonLP24	Jun 2012	#158
I remember, also, they likely already have the army of lobbyists ready to start deregulation	Dragonfli	Jun 2012	#255
Holy shit!!! Yayyyyy!!!!!	Javaman	Jun 2012	#92
In plain English:	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#93
SCOTUSblog's plain English account:	Bolo Boffin	Jun 2012	#96
To answer a common question:	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#103
Entire court decision (.pdf) here...	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#112
Thanks! n/t	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#135
This message was self-deleted by its author	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#138
But they're still reporting it incorrectly	Raggaemon	Jun 2012	#104
I didn't have	christx30	Jun 2012	#273
Robert Reich rules the day	mountain grammy	Jun 2012	#111
Welcome to DU!	FailureToCommunicate	Jun 2012	#147
+1	kjackson227	Jun 2012	#159
And the crowd goes nuts!	Ganja Ninja	Jun 2012	#114
The thread is gone it says "pulled" It must have been pretty bad, nt	LaurenG	Jun 2012	#236
One of the few times in my memory, I'm watching Fox and enjoying it	duhneece	Jun 2012	#115
No longer on Fox. They are throwing a tantrum, and switch to Murdoch talking to Cavuto. n/t	Kencorburn	Jun 2012	#153
Oh yeah!	lonestarnot	Jun 2012	#116
This is AWESOME!!! Thank You Chief Justice John Roberts!! Wonderful news!!!! n/t	hue	Jun 2012	#117
I'm not thanking Roberts for anything. He wouldn't have voted with	crunch60	Jun 2012	#285
I think this will actually help Obama get reelected	johnd83	Jun 2012	#118
I imagine the 1% are now pissing their pants!!! Lol!!!	hue	Jun 2012	#127
the 1% would have lost too much pork to allow it to be struck	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#185
I have held off my few bucks that I can afford to contribute to Obama's campaign until now. :)	Javaman	Jun 2012	#119
I'm not surprised.	GoCubsGo	Jun 2012	#121
Roberts decided he was rich enough.	mountain grammy	Jun 2012	#133
Stephens did this for the corporations all that pork could not be ignored	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#184
Maybe having an elitist Harvard Law grad who was on law review mattered to	chelsea0011	Jun 2012	#122
5 edits!! HA!	DCBob	Jun 2012	#124
That's what i'm talking about	skeewee08	Jun 2012	#128
How many Freeper/Teabagger heads are exploding right now?????	Roland99	Jun 2012	#129
And, lucky for them, they can't be denied coverage in future due to	beac	Jun 2012	#142
HA!	Roland99	Jun 2012	#151
They're sad over there today...their tears taste soooooo yummy...	Volaris	Jun 2012	#160
Roberts FTW, errrrrr ok, we'll take it.	harun	Jun 2012	#132
You can always count on Roberts to side with Big Business , who in turn love the mandate.	Mr. Sparkle	Jun 2012	#137
Just heard the Republican's new mantra "biggest tax increase in US history", That could cause a prob	crimson77	Jun 2012	#139
Ha ha...I guess there are always stupid people who would buy that argument.	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2012	#152
Can you answer a question for me, that no one is answering.	crimson77	Jun 2012	#166
Nothing has changed. The law remains the same.	Evergreen Emerald	Jun 2012	#174
Not if your response is the following...	Volaris	Jun 2012	#173
Reality? it's going to SAVE their whiney asses BILLIONS. Or would they rather pay for the uninsured	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#216
Excellent!	jefferson_dem	Jun 2012	#140
The Supreme Court just saved a lot of lives.	tinrobot	Jun 2012	#141
Essentially, a majority of the Court	Lisa D	Jun 2012	#144
That is indeed good news n/t	kdmorris	Jun 2012	#145
How ironic that it was Chief Justice Roberts was the swing vote	4lbs	Jun 2012	#148
Big money backed the mandate.	Warren Stupidity	Jun 2012	#165
Good points all and Roberts is all for big money	suffragette	Jun 2012	#234
And FR is in meltdown mode:	VWolf	Jun 2012	#168
Some hilarious stuff over there today.	klook	Jun 2012	#190
Why the fuck do they care? They have insurance or medicare.. this tax doesn't affect them.	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#220
LMAO @ "Swill back account"	VWolf	Jun 2012	#254
Just their thread titles are deliciously over the top	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#193
FR must be clueless	newspeak	Jun 2012	#217
wow...Do they understand the provision? It doesn't affect them.	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#226
Ah....RimJob land	47of74	Jun 2012	#202
YES	iandhr	Jun 2012	#154
Happy Happy! Joy Joy!	NRaleighLiberal	Jun 2012	#155
Excellent. Many congratulations, Mr. President. You did it!	Nye Bevan	Jun 2012	#161
The Supreme Court will surprise all the time.	Beacool	Jun 2012	#162
Everyone that followed the money.	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#183
That's why we elected a Constitutional scholar!	LibertyLover	Jun 2012	#163
Congratulations to the President, Democratic members of Congress, and the American People!!!!	kwenu	Jun 2012	#167
Naive here, I guess, but those who do not pay the penalty can't be sent to jail	cyberpj	Jun 2012	#172
The only collection mechanism is the penalty can be deducted from any income tax refund	PoliticAverse	Jun 2012	#188
Waa...Huh!? Did hell just freeze over?	blackspade	Jun 2012	#177
No surprise just follow the money through the corportist justice	nineteen50	Jun 2012	#179
re:BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax	allan01	Jun 2012	#180
The $upreme Court answers to their 'handlers.' Health insurance companies surely wanted it so.	joanbarnes	Jun 2012	#181
The position Romney finds himself in	Zambero	Jun 2012	#182
Hubby says Congress could just go remove the law???? Is this so?	patricia92243	Jun 2012	#191
Presumably the pre-existing conditions section would have to pass the Senate	muriel_volestrangler	Jun 2012	#195
It is. The Republicans want to do exactly that. So we must fill Congress with Democrats	Rochester	Jun 2012	#196
I'm surprised... but very happy!	Rochester	Jun 2012	#192
Thank God almighty.	ellie	Jun 2012	#198
Another Republi-CON failure.	alp227	Jun 2012	#199
If they wanted to pull off on October Surprise, it'd have to be a LOT bigger than......	AverageJoe90	Jun 2012	#264
Indeed. Going to WAR would be greater.	alp227	Jun 2012	#284
If we're forced to buy insurance to drive a car, or buy a home, then why not health insurance?	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#200
You don't need insurance to drive	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jun 2012	#219
How they voted	savalez	Jun 2012	#201
Great news!	Third Doctor	Jun 2012	#203
Thank God Almighty! We are free at last!!	BlueDemKev	Jun 2012	#204
As predicted. Because it mandates trillions to big insurance that they will use to	grahamhgreen	Jun 2012	#207
Exactly!	crunch60	Jun 2012	#286
It was sure a narrow victory though.	Kablooie	Jun 2012	#209
Winning!	TeamPooka	Jun 2012	#210
I'm sure	eaglesfanintn	Jun 2012	#213
I'm headed out to the car to listen to Limbaugh have a stroke!	EnviroBat	Jun 2012	#214
K&R	hwmnbn	Jun 2012	#221
Gobsmacked!	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jun 2012	#224
Roberts is Justice #5? HOLY FUCK!!!	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#225
i know...	MrsBrady	Jun 2012	#320
This is a big effin' deal!	Proles	Jun 2012	#227
Good grief, Pelosi is such a completely ineffective, uninspiring and shitty public speaker.	The Stranger	Jun 2012	#229
She sucks so bad that they news channels had to turn away from covering her.	The Stranger	Jun 2012	#231
Bullshit!	juajen	Jun 2012	#274
I agree - she's Bullshit!	The Stranger	Jun 2012	#310
The RIGHTS labeling of HEALTHCARE reform as 'OBAMACARE'	clang1	Jun 2012	#232
Thank you Chief Justice Roberts. n/t	kiranon	Jun 2012	#241
Hallelujah	90-percent	Jun 2012	#242
Although I prefer Single Payer, it is nice to see our side win one for a change.	ronwelldobbs	Jun 2012	#245
People are not happy in Oklahoma	Joey Liberal	Jun 2012	#249
K & R	Scurrilous	Jun 2012	#250
A good start -	TBF	Jun 2012	#251
I'm not able to get anything done at work now...	Politicub	Jun 2012	#259
Yes We Can!!	cbayer	Jun 2012	#260
Yes	caroll31	Jun 2012	#263
Parents phoned excited that we might finally afford more than catastrophic insurance...burst bubble	mirrera	Jun 2012	#265
If you are within 400% of the federal poverty level, you have 70% of	sinkingfeeling	Jun 2012	#292
If my level is over 400% ( I do not qualify) their rubric sucks! n/t	mirrera	Jun 2012	#314
Wow, your income is over $88,000 and you can't afford $900 a month to	sinkingfeeling	Jun 2012	#344
Where do you come up with 88,000.00? That would be awesome!	mirrera	Jun 2012	#345
400% of the FPL for a couple is $88,000. You said you were above that.	sinkingfeeling	Jul 2012	#352
You can use this calculator:	Hissyspit	Jun 2012	#293
"Based on your income, you probably would not qualify for federal assistance to offset the cost of..	mirrera	Jun 2012	#312
A VERY GOOD DAY	kpete	Jun 2012	#271
A VERY...	YvonneCa	Jun 2012	#282
Something tells me that if this SCOTA decision on healthcare	groovedaddy	Jun 2012	#272
I wonder how	quakerboy	Jun 2012	#275
Bumper sticker idea for today:	Seattle Blue	Jun 2012	#281
I'm unemployed...	dash_bannon	Jun 2012	#283
Scalia sites Jim Crow laws to SUPPORT his Arizona decision...	bettydavis	Jun 2012	#288
HOLY SHIT!!!!! Roberts does have restraint!	caseymoz	Jun 2012	#291
k&r n/t	RainDog	Jun 2012	#298
All I can say is thank you!	Kteachums	Jun 2012	#299
How much is the tax going to be ?	may3rd	Jun 2012	#300
About $90--and there is no mechanism for enforcement	SunSeeker	Jun 2012	#325
What a day!! What. A. Day.	lamp_shade	Jun 2012	#305
Today was a good day	politicasista	Jun 2012	#306
I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting Roberts to be the deciding vote.	AJTheMan	Jun 2012	#307
It has been a great day -- if only just to see the GOP so thoroughly miserable!	Brooklyn Dame	Jun 2012	#309
Is that edit CNN?	RUMMYisFROSTED	Jun 2012	#311
Personally, I think this may not be the great news it is cracked up to be.	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#315
Um no...	FreeState	Jun 2012	#317
Isn't that what I said?	Atypical Liberal	Jun 2012	#346
I have read the opinion, and it reads like a Roberts vs Ginsburg situation	happyslug	Jun 2012	#322
K&R	SunSeeker	Jun 2012	#324
Wait, so Roberts is now the swing vote? Who the fuck slipped me a Jeffrey!?	Kennah	Jun 2012	#327
I, for one, welcome our Corporate Overlords stranglehold on our health care	bread_and_roses	Jun 2012	#339
I know this has been discussed for some time now,	hughee99	Jul 2012	#349

Response to Skinner (Original post)

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Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:14 AM

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BREAKING: Supreme Court Upholds Individual Mandate As A Tax

25. Hold off... CNN IS WRONG. SKinner will correct his post, I'm sure.

33. listening to Steph, I am stunned looks like big victory for Obama

89. It would be a big victory for Romney too were it not for Obama Derangement Syndrome.

101. You watch Stephanie Miller too, huh?

110. Actually I wasn't watching or listening this morning.

347. She says "Obama Derangement Syndrome" alot. nt

107. Now I'm waiting for RMoney to take credit...

156. That's the problem with ODS, he can't.

186. Get out of my head! That's exactly what I was thinking. He will definitely start taking credit for

326. If Romney takes credit for ACA, then he might be the first GOP Presidential candidate ...

328. Truth from the lying Romney

244. Agreed. He was too stupid to own it from the beginning

169. No, its a big victory for the insurance industry.

176. That it is

197. I'd rather my neighbors bought insurance and got healthy...

262. We should

280. Great idea...I would not mind having a gun. Will there be discounts for the elderly and blind???

304. Mandated guns for the blind?

290. I'll take RW False equivalency for 800 Alex.

329. Hah!

267. Exactly.

205. You are deliberately ignoring the the subsidies, the mandated cost controls, and the rebates.

240. Exactly, geez, why aren't the insurance companies all for it then?

279. Because...

297. It is not a win for them

330. Then the insurance companies are as stupid as rocks

228. huh

261. The mandated premiums are not going to be that much

268. Unfortunately...

295. True, but I think it's a necessary step.

308. "Once people have health care without the looming threat of bankruptcy..."

319. Not kidding. You just don't understand the statistic.

332. You know what's funny?

331. You are right,

341. what we can do now and in the near future

294. But I don't think this arrangement will last.

39. Yeah, I think emotions are running high for everyone

50. Yep. First, but wrong!

51. ...but it never hurts to tell the Rs to fuck off anyway. :)

235. Skinner must have seen this picture:

237. LOLOL the look on his face is tremendous...

270. Okay, Boehner, repeat after me, 'Yes, Madame Speaker.' Get used to it...

2. Amy Howe on Scotus says it survive as a tax nt

57. Which was exactly my argument all along

98. Me too.

126. That's a reasonable explanation that I like much better than the way I'd been looking at it.

3. I bet it was 5-4.

71. Scotus blog just reported that vote was indeed 5-4.

94. Kennedy: "In our view, the entire Act before us is invalid in its entirety."

113. It gets weird - Kennedy against, CJ Roberts for...

178. Not surprised

223. EXACTLY. Robert reich wrote an article predicitng that ROberts would vote with the liberals only bec

243. Either that or he's in the pocket of big insurance and they love the mandate.

269. It is Not a 20% Profit Margin

276. I'm willing to bet they'll still make plenty of money.

287. They May Indeed Make Money

316. Why would the overhead rise?

333. Roberts is an evil, evil man

342. You are drastically undervaluing the cartels influence on the bill

343. You have made at least 4 good points in 2 paragraphs.

350. The Overhead Doesn't Rise in Absolute Terms

351. I don't know what to think, other than that I don't trust Roberts.

189. I laways knew who Kenndy really is and how he thinks about Obama. nt

208. You know what, Kennedy....

233. race

206. It's more the "non-conservative wing" than the "liberal" wing...

4. On Scotus blog

6. +1

27. That's wht they're saying on NPR. Calling it a tax. n/t

334. It is a tax.

353. I'm not complaining that it's a tax. Just saying. eom

5. Thanks for being the first to post this in LBN.

7. This is what happens

8. SCOTUS blog says that

59. lol, oklahoma better get their butts in gear. they put

336. It worked in Massachusetts

335. Joins is a pretty strong word

9. ABC just reported that SCOTUS upholds the mandate with a 6-3 decision.

23. Wow