Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:45 AM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
JPMorgan Trading Loss May Reach $9 Billion
Source: New York Times
INVESTMENT BANKING JUNE 28, 2012, 2:30 AM JPMorgan Trading Loss May Reach $9 Billion BY JESSICA SILVER-GREENBERG AND SUSANNE CRAIG Losses on JPMorgan Chase’s bungled trade could total as much as $9 billion, far exceeding earlier public estimates, according to people who have been briefed on the situation. When Jamie Dimon, the bank’s chief executive, announced in May that the bank had lost $2 billion in a bet on credit derivatives, he estimated that losses could double within the next few quarters. But the red ink has been mounting in recent weeks, as the bank has been unwinding its positions, according to interviews with current and former traders and executives at the bank who asked not to be named because of investigations into the bank. Nonetheless, the sharply higher loss totals will feed a debate over how strictly large financial institutions should be regulated and whether some of the behemoth banks are capitalizing on their status as too big to fail to make risky trades. JPMorgan plans to disclose part of the total losses on the soured bet on July 13, when it reports second-quarter earnings. Despite the loss, the bank has said it will be solidly profitable for the quarter — no small achievement given that nervous markets and weak economies have sapped Wall Street’s main businesses. To put the size of the loss in perspective, JPMorgan logged a first-quarter profit of $5.4 billion. More than profits are at stake. The growing fallout from the bank’s bad bet threatens to undercut the credibility of Mr. Dimon, who has been fighting major regulatory changes that could curtail the kind of risk-taking that led to the trading losses. The bank chief was considered a deft manager of risk after steering JPMorgan through the financial crisis in far better shape than its rivals. “Essentially, JPMorgan has been operating a hedge fund with federal insured deposits within a bank,” said Mark Williams, a professor of finance at Boston University, who also served as a Federal Reserve bank examiner. Read more: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/jpmorgan-trading-loss-may-reach-9-billion/?hp
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| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| BeyondGeography | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| BeyondGeography | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| JustAnotherGen | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| Trillo | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| harun | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| Evasporque | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| still_one | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| coalition_unwilling | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| Thav | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| Volaris | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| dickthegrouch | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| jimlup | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| young_at_heart | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| bemildred | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| thelordofhell | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| caroll31 | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| WillyT | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| Prometheus Bound | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| Lint Head | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| bond92 | Jun 2012 | #27 |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:51 AM
BeyondGeography (21,301 posts)
1. And the Board of Directors said give that man a big raise
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 11:45 AM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
24. JPMorgan Cushions Drew's Retirement With $21.5 Million
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JPMorgan Cushions Drew’s Retirement With $21.5 Million
By Dawn Kopecki - Jun 28, 2012 11:00 PM CT JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)’s decision to let Chief Investment Officer Ina Drew retire four days after the bank disclosed a $2 billion loss in her division allowed her to walk away with about $21.5 million in stock and options - Drew, who resigned May 14, can keep $17.1 million in unvested restricted shares and about $4.4 million in options that she otherwise would have been required to forfeit if the New York-based bank had terminated her employment “with cause,” according to regulatory filings and estimates from consulting firm Meridian Compensation Partners LLC. A 30-year JPMorgan veteran, Drew also had accumulated 661,000 unrestricted shares of common stock worth about $23.7 million based on the May 14 closing price, $9.7 million in deferred compensation and $2.6 million in pension pay as of Dec. 31, according to company filings. Altogether, Drew’s stock, pension and deferred pay come to about $57.5 million. - Drew, 55, oversaw the London traders responsible for a $2 billion loss on credit derivatives that Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon said “violated common sense.” Shares of the largest U.S. bank have plunged 19.1 percent since Bloomberg News first reported on April 5 that JPMorgan was having trouble unwinding illiquid bets on credit derivatives. While Dimon told lawmakers in separate hearings this month that the company could claw back two years of bonuses, Drew’s pay probably won’t be affected, according to compensation consultants - http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-29/jpmorgan-cushions-drew-s-retirement-with-21-5-million.html |
Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #24)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:32 PM
BeyondGeography (21,301 posts)
25. I'm sure Mr. Dimon will be raked over the coals for that next time he visits Congress
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or maybe not...
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
JustAnotherGen (5,589 posts)
2. Time to yank
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My two savings accounts there. I already moved one to my husband's credit union after we were married in April. They have too much money in them to be risked by this nonsense. Small business owner looking for a loan? Yep! Family trying to buy a home? Yep!
Hedge Fund manager playing finance games. No waaaaaaaaaay. |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:29 AM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
3. Jamie Dimon's eye-catching cufflinks
Jamie Dimon's eye-catching cufflinks http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57452724-503544/jamie-dimons-eye-catching-cufflinks/ |
Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:53 AM
Trillo (7,230 posts)
6. I've been wondering if government copies bankster dress,
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or whether banksters copy government dress. Just where did the suit and tie originate, and how did it come to be associated with lying cheating stealing from poor people?
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Response to Trillo (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:29 AM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
13. I believe the cufflinks were a signal that 'WE/I RUN THIS PLACE".
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Just look at who gives all the money to the committe members.
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:41 AM
harun (9,742 posts)
4. That's one big D'OH
Personally risk is a good thing. It encourages restraint. Maybe JP Morgan's Risk Mitigation unit (that goes and loses 9 billion) will teach the rest of the gamblers a lesson. |
Response to harun (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:52 PM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
17. Um, they just get more taxpayer money to bail them out.
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Socialize cost, privatize profit.
Its the fascist way. America's way now too. |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:44 AM
Evasporque (2,023 posts)
5. these greedy asshats have no soul....
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It is all monopoly money to them....
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:00 AM
still_one (31,078 posts)
7. and it was only a little while ago when dimon was before congress, and the repukes were swooning
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Over him with such statements like he should be in charge of US finances
The country is so over with There is no doubt in my mind that this is a country by the corporations, for the corporations |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:00 AM
coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)
8. Stock price was down about 5% in pre-market trade and is down about 3.5%
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:03 AM
Thav (526 posts)
9. JPMorgan lost enough money to fund operations for my state for 1.5 years
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and people think that he's doing a GOOD JOB? And he has the gall to argue in front of congress that his business shouldn't have to play by any rules and just let things happen as they will?
$9 billion. I'd have to work for 180,000 years to earn that much money, and he's acting like it's no big deal? I think we need a new term for these banks: Too big to exist. |
Response to Thav (Reply #9)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:16 AM
Volaris (1,583 posts)
10. "I'd have to work for 180,000 years to earn that much money..."
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And some single parent somewhere doesn't have cash to pay for this semester's tuition, cause they decided it's more necessary to feed the kid than go to school.
Christian America, my ass. |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:54 AM
dickthegrouch (1,229 posts)
11. Who's going to jail?
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If corporations are people, I think a corporation should go to jail
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Response to dickthegrouch (Reply #11)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:20 PM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
21. Obama Trade Deal To Put Corporations Above The Law
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Obama Trade Deal To Put Corporations Above The Law
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:09 AM
jimlup (4,057 posts)
12. Good work Jamie!
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:59 AM
young_at_heart (3,311 posts)
14. But----will Jamie really lose his credibilty?
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His powerful image may take a beating.
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Response to young_at_heart (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:04 PM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
15. Don't be silly now. Corporations RULE. They make their own reality now. -eom
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:37 PM
bemildred (67,502 posts)
16. Moral hazard, in spades. nt
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:15 PM
thelordofhell (3,809 posts)
18. God forbid there should be some sort of regulation to stop this
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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #18)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 01:21 PM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
19. "They OWN this fucking place." -Carlin
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:09 PM
caroll31 (20 posts)
20. The banksters at JPMChase will receive even larger bonuses for demonstrating
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So this must mean that the banksters at JPMChase will receive even larger bonuses for demonstrating, yet again, their absolute brilliance, all while the good ship America continues to take in water.
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:46 PM
WillyT (45,573 posts)
22. K & R !!!
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Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:11 PM
Prometheus Bound (3,489 posts)
23. The attitude to these fuckers always seems to be "They're damn smart; they just had some bad luck."
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I remember 'experts' saying that about the Long Term Capital Management big-wigs.
Seems to me they're dumb as hell; they just seem to get lucky when the market is going up. |
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:39 PM
Lint Head (10,440 posts)
26. 9 billion dollars that could fund universal health care down the crapper.
Response to Huey P. Long (Original post)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 03:07 PM
bond92 (1 post)
27. news
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It is very shocked news.
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