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 Florida man freed under stand-your- ground defence shot dead in Miami (Original post) |
Judi Lynn | Jun 2012 | OP |
| Speck Tater | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| RebelOne | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| -..__... | Jun 2012 | #44 | |
| bowens43 | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| slackmaster | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Scurrilous | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| Hoyt | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| Nuclear Unicorn | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| freshwest | Jun 2012 | #54 | |
| bongbong | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| EC | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| csziggy | Jun 2012 | #48 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Jun 2012 | #46 | |
| Drale | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| VTX | Jun 2012 | #36 | |
| jwirr | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| savalez | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| jwirr | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| EC | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #34 | |
| EC | Jun 2012 | #35 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #37 | |
| EFerrari | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #47 | |
| EFerrari | Jun 2012 | #52 | |
| boppers | Jun 2012 | #74 | |
| Hoyt | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| Hoyt | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #40 | |
| progressivebydesign | Jun 2012 | #56 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #58 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jun 2012 | #60 | |
| Lochloosa | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| Lochloosa | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #43 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| Lochloosa | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #33 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #63 | |
| hack89 | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| savalez | Jun 2012 | #61 | |
| PavePusher | Jun 2012 | #64 | |
| hack89 | Jun 2012 | #65 | |
| savalez | Jun 2012 | #66 | |
| hack89 | Jun 2012 | #67 | |
| savalez | Jun 2012 | #71 | |
| hack89 | Jun 2012 | #73 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| Lasher | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #41 | |
| Great Caesars Ghost | Jun 2012 | #51 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #42 | |
| secondvariety | Jun 2012 | #38 | |
| Scurrilous | Jun 2012 | #45 | |
| DiverDave | Jun 2012 | #39 | |
| valerief | Jun 2012 | #49 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jun 2012 | #55 | |
| valerief | Jun 2012 | #57 | |
| ProgressiveProfessor | Jun 2012 | #59 | |
| Scurrilous | Jun 2012 | #50 | |
| savalez | Jun 2012 | #62 | |
| longship | Jun 2012 | #53 | |
| harun | Jun 2012 | #68 | |
| LisaL | Jun 2012 | #69 | |
| harun | Jun 2012 | #70 | |
| LisaL | Jun 2012 | #72 |
Response to Speck Tater (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:33 PM
29. Yup. what goes around comes around. n/t
Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:13 PM
6. It's stand your ground, not chase 'em down.
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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #6)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:19 PM
Scurrilous (24,650 posts)
7. "It's stand your ground, not chase 'em down."
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ROFL
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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #7)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
24. I don't know if it's ROFL material but it is accurate and succinct. n/t
Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:39 PM
EC (11,401 posts)
30. But why did Garcia have to chase him?
Response to EC (Reply #30)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:52 PM
csziggy (14,199 posts)
48. After he stabbed the guy, he kept the bags of stolen radios
Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:57 PM
46. I like the SYG laws, they're an inevitable solution to stupid. It's just too bad that the
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:56 PM
jwirr (20,905 posts)
5. I would guess that this will not be the last time that this happens under that law. Hopefully it
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:21 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
9. The judge said Garcia could lawfully pursue a fleeing felon who had just stolen his property.
Response to Lasher (Reply #9)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:24 PM
jwirr (20,905 posts)
10. But that is exactly where the danger comes in. Taking the law into your own hands means that you
Response to EC (Reply #32)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:52 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
34. Calling the cops would have been a futile exercise.
Response to Lasher (Reply #34)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:59 PM
EC (11,401 posts)
35. Then I would have let him go
Response to EC (Reply #35)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:29 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
37. That's cool, I might have done the same.
Response to jwirr (Reply #10)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
15. In the moment, adrenaline can take over.
Response to EFerrari (Reply #15)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:58 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
47. You have chased me clear down an an entire DU thread and into another one.
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I suspect a pattern of aggressive behavior.
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Response to Lasher (Reply #47)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:59 PM
52. LOL.
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See? It IS a good thing I don't do guns.
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Response to Lasher (Reply #9)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:30 PM
Hoyt (12,115 posts)
13. I'm not sure about "moral right." Killing people over property is questionable.
Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
16. Did you read the story?
Response to Lasher (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:02 PM
Hoyt (12,115 posts)
21. So that justifies killing him with a knife, gun, or whatever.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:24 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
26. You are conflating.
Response to Lasher (Reply #26)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:49 PM
rhett o rick (26,674 posts)
40. What is the definition of "chase down"? Does that include
Response to Lasher (Reply #16)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:01 PM
56. someone swings a bag at you? you turn around and leave. you don't stab them to death. n/t
Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #56)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:30 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
58. Someone swings an argument like this at me.
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I laugh.
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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #56)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:59 PM
60. That is the intelligent choice, but it is correct that it is not legally required
Response to Lasher (Reply #9)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
18. You have the "legal and "cough cough" Moral right to do that? Kill someone for PROPERTY?
Response to Lochloosa (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:54 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,841 posts)
20. I dig your signature!!!
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #20)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:26 PM
27. You welcome to steal it...i did. And I promise not to swing a bag of them at you.
Response to Lochloosa (Reply #27)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,841 posts)
43. LOL!! Excellent! Thanks!! :)
Response to Lochloosa (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:10 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
23. That's not what the judge said and it's not what I said.
Response to Lasher (Reply #23)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:24 PM
25. I don't agree with you. As in the Martin case, the violence would not have been "initiated"
Response to Lochloosa (Reply #25)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:45 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
33. I don't have a hard time understanding SYG laws.
Response to Lochloosa (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:40 PM
31. No. You have a right to chase after a thief.
Response to hack89 (Reply #31)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:36 PM
61. Chasing someone is you attacking them.
Response to savalez (Reply #61)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 10:32 PM
65. So SYG for the thief but not the robbery victim? OK
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Response to hack89 (Reply #65)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 01:15 PM
66. Sure, if you believe
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the only participant who is still alive. It seems to me that SYG can be manipulated to absolve someone of murder, primarily if there are no witnesses and especially if you only get one side of the story. Perhaps not in this case but in general so I'll always be skeptical when that law is applied and wonder if the creation of it was ever really necessary - especially with the variable threshold of fearing for ones life (real or not). Were people really being regularly incarcerated for acting in self-defense?
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Response to savalez (Reply #66)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:08 PM
67. The standards for self defense didn't change with SYG
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:53 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,841 posts)
19. Yet another problem with this Stand Your Ground law is that people who get off will face
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #19)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:06 PM
Lasher (20,466 posts)
22. This was not a revenge shooting.
Response to Lasher (Reply #22)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:00 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,841 posts)
41. Oh, thanks for the clarification.
Response to Lasher (Reply #22)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:04 PM
Great Caesars Ghost (532 posts)
51. Innocent or set up?
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #19)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:32 PM
28. SYG continues to have broad support
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #28)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:01 PM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,841 posts)
42. SADLY!!
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:03 PM
valerief (35,675 posts)
49. Chased him more than a block to kill him and was acquitted under the Shoot-Whoever-You-Want
Response to valerief (Reply #49)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:22 PM
55. Not even close to what happened, but lets not facts spoil your screed
Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #55)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:08 PM
valerief (35,675 posts)
57. Well, your disagreement contains no details to persuade me otherwise. nt
Response to valerief (Reply #57)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:57 PM
59. Read the thread...it is clearly there
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:55 PM
Scurrilous (24,650 posts)
50. Meanwhile...
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Man who got 20 years for shooting at ground gets a new trial
<snip> "A 65-year-old ailing Keystone Heights man who was sentenced to 20 years in prison for firing two shots into the ground has been granted a new trial after a judge ruled jury instructions were flawed in his trial two years ago. The ruling by Fourth Circuit Judge Don Lester set Ronald Thompson free Wednesday night. He went to Jacksonville to live with his sister, Virginia Caldwell." <snip> "The incident that landed Thompson in prison happened on Sept. 19, 2009, in Keystone Heights. According to court documents, Thompson was socializing with a friend on her porch when her grandson arrived with three friends. He had been barred from the house by his mother but tried to get in and began heatedly arguing with his grandmother. Thompson, who had a concealed weapons permit, went to his truck, got his handgun and fired two shots into the ground, court documents state. The teenagers left, and police came. Thompson, who had worked as a mechanic in Keystone Heights, was booked on four counts of aggravated assault for having fired the shots into the ground." http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120627/ARTICLES/120629580/1139?Title=Man-who-got-20-years-for-shooting-at-ground-gets-a-new-trial- Stand your ground.
Shoot your ground. 
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Response to Scurrilous (Reply #50)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:47 PM
62. Don't you get it? Warn go to jail; Kill go free.
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 12:09 AM
longship (17,624 posts)
53. Who lives by the sword will die by the sword
Response to LisaL (Reply #69)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:50 PM
70. It was raining justice, and he forgot his umbrella.
Response to harun (Reply #70)
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 10:56 PM
72. Since when random gang violence is justice?
