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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

zoechen (93 posts)

Hoyer: Some Dems Will Vote To Hold Holder In Contempt For Fast And Furious

Source: CBS DC

WASHINGTON (AP) — Now that the politically potent National Rifle Association is keeping score, some Democrats may join House Republicans if there’s a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress in a dispute over documents related to a botched gun-tracking operation.

The chief Democratic House head counter, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, declined to tell reporters how many defections he expected, but acknowledged that some in his party would consider heeding the NRA’s call for a “yes” vote.

The gun owners association injected itself last week into the stalemate over Justice Department documents demanded by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The NRA said it supports the contempt resolution and will keep a record of how members vote.

Read more: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/06/26/hoyer-some-dems-will-vote-to-hold-holder-in-contempt-for-fast-and-furious/

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Hoyer: Some Dems Will Vote To Hold Holder In Contempt For Fast And Furious (Original post)	zoechen	Jun 2012	OP
NObody outside of the Beltway gives a flying shit about this	bluestateguy	Jun 2012	#1
lol, got that right.	harun	Jun 2012	#10
Fuck the National Republican Association. nt	onehandle	Jun 2012	#2
The NRA needs to go. Too much corporate power that leans rightwing	BlueCaliDem	Jun 2012	#3
What side are they on is what I ask myself?	clang1	Jun 2012	#4
The NRA is keeping track...well so are some voters like myself......	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#5
Yes they do and it is all Treachery	clang1	Jun 2012	#8
Wusses.	Zoeisright	Jun 2012	#6
Where are the DU gun-religionists on this issue?	bongbong	Jun 2012	#7
The NRA is more important than the American people	Iliyah	Jun 2012	#9
Yes they are n/t	clang1	Jun 2012	#11
audit the NRA	graham4anything	Jun 2012	#12
Shut them down before you can't shut them down.	clang1	Jun 2012	#16
Unfortunately the NRA can make or break a rural politician.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#13
And this is the exact reason why the beltway media can keep this story going.	blackspade	Jun 2012	#14
+1	Blue_Tires	Jun 2012	#20
Maybe it is time	grandpamike1	Jun 2012	#15
Between corporations,	xxqqqzme	Jun 2012	#17
Primary those Blue Dog Dems	JackHughes	Jun 2012	#18
Fucking Cowards! Why are they Democrats, anyway?!?!?!	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jun 2012	#19
Because they probably are not Democracts	clang1	Jun 2012	#21
I hear you. ;)	Liberal_Stalwart71	Jun 2012	#24
I can not imagine a more valid test for STUPID!	MsPithy	Jun 2012	#22
I know the Democratic Party touts its 'big tent' quality, but when	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#23

Response to zoechen (Original post)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:12 PM

bluestateguy (40,060 posts)

1. NObody outside of the Beltway gives a flying shit about this

And I include the NRA as part of that Beltway bubble; they are headquartered in D.C.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:40 PM

harun (9,743 posts)

10. lol, got that right.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM

onehandle (35,504 posts)

2. Fuck the National Republican Association. nt

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 PM

BlueCaliDem (5,296 posts)

3. The NRA needs to go. Too much corporate power that leans rightwing

is corrupting the Democratic Party. What in the hell is a private corporation doing issuing licenses for guns anyway?

When they can go around and openly promote Republicans while scaring Democrats, that means they've outlive their usefulness and have become just another corporate entity.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:20 PM

clang1 (884 posts)

4. What side are they on is what I ask myself?

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

How does the NRA become more important than your own Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002862622

ALL of this is part of the Tyranny that is occuring here.....ALL of it.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:22 PM

Swede Atlanta (2,246 posts)

5. The NRA is keeping track...well so are some voters like myself......

I think voters need to punish Democrats that vote with the Republicans on this one. While I am generally happy that the Democrats are not a single unified body, always moving and voting as a block, there are some votes such as this one where deviation from a NO vote should never be tolerated.

Until Democrats learn there will be a price to pay for this kind of treachery they will continue to do it. I realize some of them are concerned that the NRA and their friends (Koch Brothers) may set their sights on them during a re-election campaign but to that I say, "grow a pair".

From what I can see there is insufficient basis for charging the AG with contempt. This is trumped-up charge raised for purely political and not governmental or oversight purposes.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:30 PM

clang1 (884 posts)

8. Yes they do and it is all Treachery

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and Tyranny...
They go together...............

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:28 PM

Zoeisright (7,864 posts)

6. Wusses.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:29 PM

bongbong (5,436 posts)

7. Where are the DU gun-religionists on this issue?

Crickets?

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:32 PM

Iliyah (2,360 posts)

9. The NRA is more important than the American people

and thats fucking sick!

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:43 PM

clang1 (884 posts)

11. Yes they are n/t

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:44 PM

graham4anything (9,312 posts)

12. audit the NRA

audit the NRA and follow the trail then take away their tax free exemptions

that taxfree money alone probably would balance the budget (ditto organized religion)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:14 PM

clang1 (884 posts)

16. Shut them down before you can't shut them down.

Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

It is that simple.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:55 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

13. Unfortunately the NRA can make or break a rural politician.

Defying the NRA is political suicide in many rural areas.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:56 PM

blackspade (2,458 posts)

14. And this is the exact reason why the beltway media can keep this story going.

If Democrats would stay firm as a block for once, this story would die.
That is how things worked during the Bush years.
By making this a 'bipartisan' contempt citation, these Democtatic defectors are continuing to support what is effectively a partisan witch hunt.
If it resolved down to a party line vote, the Democratic leadership could just call it what it is and the story would die.

Honestly I could give two shits about this whole affair. It started under Bush and is a continuation of this misguided drug 'war' that has been a decimating anchor weight on our society.
THAT should be the story, not this bullshit 'Fast and Furious' debacle.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:13 PM

Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)

20. +1

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:09 PM

grandpamike1 (52 posts)

15. Maybe it is time

to purge the Congress of ALL DINO's. I cannot get much worse than this. Spineless Dems make me cringe, they cower and grovel before Republican threats, and now they will vote against eric Holder because the NRA is going to score the vote. The NRA is about 4 million strong and they get to dictate policy ? Scary, to say the least. For me, it is getting very close to NOT voting, let the Republicans take over the house, senate and Presidency, and let the morons who vote them in for their version of "Change", suffer the after effects, of lower pay, no medical coverage, Social Security being privatized, longer work days and shorter vacations, if at all. I am fed up with electing the morons that fill the Congress and the Supreme Court.

This is what the Right wants, and I am prepared to let them have it.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:40 PM

xxqqqzme (13,434 posts)

17. Between corporations,

billionaire donors, norquistian pledges and the nra threats, there appears to be no room for 'We, the people'.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:55 PM

JackHughes (76 posts)

18. Primary those Blue Dog Dems

Any Dem that gives cover to Issa and the Republicans should be told to expect a well-funded primary challenge supported by President Obama.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:07 PM

Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,858 posts)

19. Fucking Cowards! Why are they Democrats, anyway?!?!?!

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:44 PM

clang1 (884 posts)

21. Because they probably are not Democracts

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Watch what people do, not what they say. Pretty simple to me..People need to watch both and they don't until it is to late. Either fix it now or later. Only choice NOW, is to fix it later. People probably will not even do that. It's sad. But that is also the way the World is. I myself don't loose sleep over it. I see what it's about.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:40 PM

Liberal_Stalwart71 (13,858 posts)

24. I hear you. ;)

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:35 PM

MsPithy (565 posts)

22. I can not imagine a more valid test for STUPID!

This, as an undercover operation, as a scandal, as a conspiracy theory, this as anything other than an embarrassing failure is so goddamn stupid, it hurts!

Anyone who votes to censure Holder (who I think is almost worthless as a Attorney General) passes the most profound test for Stupid, ever. I am predicting unanimous for Republicans.

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:38 PM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

23. I know the Democratic Party touts its 'big tent' quality, but when

can we start calling those who cross party lines 'scabs'?

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