Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:14 PM
Galraedia (2,685 posts)
Rand Paul Fetal Personhood Amendment Stalls Flood Insurance Bill
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization. The bill, which would financially boost the National Flood Insurance Program on the cusp of hurricane season, had been expected to pass easily in the Senate. But since Paul on Monday offered an unrelated "fetal personhood" amendment, which would give legal protections to fetuses from the moment of fertilization, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is threatening to halt progress on the legislation. "I'm told last night that one of our Republican senators wants to offer an amendment -- listen to this one -- wants to offer an amendment on when life begins," Reid said on the Senate floor Tuesday. "I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance. I can be condemned by outside sources; my friends can say, 'Let them have a vote on it.' There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance. We'll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won't do it. We'll have an extension." Reid has allowed Republicans to attach unrelated amendments to other important bills in the past few months. Most notably, he let the Senate vote on a contraception-related amendment, proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), to a transportation bill. But Reid called Paul's measure "ridiculous" and "outlandish," and asked Republicans to deal with him on "their side of the aisle." Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/rand-paul-fetal-personhood-flood-insurance_n_1628128.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Galraedia | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| lordsummerisle | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| SoutherDem | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| Scairp | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| UglyGreed | Jun 2012 | #33 | |
| dhill926 | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| nanabugg | Jun 2012 | #39 | |
| aquart | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| freshwest | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| The Wielding Truth | Jun 2012 | #45 | |
| notadmblnd | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| 47of74 | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| notadmblnd | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| The Wielding Truth | Jun 2012 | #46 | |
| valerief | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| emulatorloo | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| valerief | Jun 2012 | #41 | |
| Dont call me Shirley | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| Grassy Knoll | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| notadmblnd | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| SunSeeker | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| Jamaal510 | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| AtheistCrusader | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| fasttense | Jun 2012 | #36 | |
| cstanleytech | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| HeiressofBickworth | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| HockeyMom | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| AlbertCat | Jun 2012 | #38 | |
| Mz Pip | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| Scairp | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| Ash_F | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| randome | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| azurnoir | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| Norbert | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| SemperEadem | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| Lawlbringer | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| Lawlbringer | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| Blue_Tires | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| Swede Atlanta | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| Wolf Frankula | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| LynneSin | Jun 2012 | #34 | |
| csziggy | Jun 2012 | #35 | |
| eringer | Jun 2012 | #37 | |
| Nye Bevan | Jun 2012 | #40 | |
| SpartanDem | Jun 2012 | #42 | |
| AngryOldDem | Jun 2012 | #43 | |
| rtracey | Jun 2012 | #44 |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:18 PM
lordsummerisle (1,326 posts)
1. Oh, I'm sorry
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I thought this was a headline from The Onion...
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Response to lordsummerisle (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:39 PM
SoutherDem (2,151 posts)
7. I thought the same thing
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You know it is really bad when you can't tell the difference between the onion and real Republican bills.
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Response to lordsummerisle (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
Scairp (2,253 posts)
14. I'm sorry too
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I was born in Kentucky and I'm beyond sorry those voters elected this imbecile. I honestly thought he was too much of a clown even for the most redneck Kentucky resident but I guess I was wrong.
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Response to Scairp (Reply #14)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:11 AM
UglyGreed (28 posts)
33. I heard that many
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Paulites moved from TX to Kentucky to get this Ron Paul mini me me me elected. But Rand Ayn Paul is not like his dad
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:20 PM
dhill926 (1,853 posts)
2. what a dick........n/t
Response to dhill926 (Reply #2)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:18 AM
nanabugg (2,198 posts)
39. I am sure this makes all those RWingers in FL happy!! nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:21 PM
aquart (67,682 posts)
3. I'm sure God won't let him drown.
Response to aquart (Reply #3)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
11. Of course not. He's a GOP/TeaParty/Libertarian. They're special.
Response to aquart (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:47 PM
The Wielding Truth (8,450 posts)
45. The unforgiving hateful god that he worships would hold him under until he proved he wasn't a witch.
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Gees, these fools really don't have a clue what Jesus taught.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
notadmblnd (17,166 posts)
4. Democrats can not appease republicans in the hopes that they will be more cooperative in the future
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Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:22 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Every time they do, the republicans double down and demand more. If Dems give them an inch, then they take a mile. Good on Harry Reid, this shit needs to stop- they have already given too much of the store away.
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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #4)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:30 PM
47of74 (6,724 posts)
6. He should've grown a spine like two or three goddamn years ago
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It's a little fucking late now.
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Response to 47of74 (Reply #6)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:42 PM
notadmblnd (17,166 posts)
9. I agree, Harry has been a wimp
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Some have been yelling for years the Dems need to grow spines. However, they are immediately drowned out by the "we must take the high road or we are no better" crowd.
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Response to 47of74 (Reply #6)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 07:56 PM
The Wielding Truth (8,450 posts)
46. We have to make all of Congress afraid to cross us. Corruption can't stay if we push it out.
Response to notadmblnd (Reply #4)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:18 PM
valerief (35,729 posts)
12. They're not appeasing them. They're on the same team. nt
Response to valerief (Reply #12)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:53 AM
emulatorloo (24,437 posts)
31. Bullshit. Dem Senators are not salivating to give eggs personhood.
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #31)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:51 PM
valerief (35,729 posts)
41. Even blue dogs? They're Repubs in sheep's clothing. nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:30 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
5. what an effing stooge!
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:40 PM
Grassy Knoll (4,357 posts)
8. Repigs have a big problem...
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And hats off to libertarians, teabaggers and Koch suckers for destroying the old white
male grandpa GOPERS. We couldn't have done it with out you. |
Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #8)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
notadmblnd (17,166 posts)
10. sure they have a probblem. Especially if a big storm comes along and destroys homes and people have
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Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:45 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) no flood ins. We can then all point and say, You can thank Rand Paul for that.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:29 PM
SunSeeker (5,334 posts)
13. How can this jerk call himself a libertarian when he wants to enslave women's bodies?
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Just like his creepy dad, Ron Paul, who is also virulently anti-choice and homophobic and racist. These "libertarians" just want to be free to force you to do what THEY want, i.e. be free to force their prejudices on you. Religious wingnut assholes.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #13)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:52 PM
Jamaal510 (3,340 posts)
17. Rand/Ron Paul only care about "freedom" on the nat'l level, and for millionaires.
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On the state level, they can be real tyrants. Libertarians have the nerve to say that Obama wants to "take away our freedom", even though he has zero interest in enacting anti-choice and anti-gay policies like how the two Pauls want to do.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:14 AM
AtheistCrusader (14,538 posts)
20. He defines a fertilized egg as a person.
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As a person, it is entirely consistent with libertarian philosophy to protect it, in that context.
However, the problem is, they are using their religious bullshit to define it, not science. They think it has a 'soul' and thus is a person, even though it's not even divided into a dozen cells yet. And that's just not going to fly anymore. A multi celled blastocyst is clearly NOT a person. It doesn't even contain any cells that will become the person. It's a collection of cells that will go about constructing a person, given time, materials, and favorable conditions and doesn't necessarily have any clear boolean 'person/not a person' milestones. But good luck telling them that. |
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #20)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:53 AM
fasttense (14,550 posts)
36. Ayn Rand is turning over in her grave
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Really, she was a woman and she would be having a fit about declaring her womb, and what happens to be in it, ruled and controlled by big government.
She was all for the individual doing any selfish thing they want with NO Government regulations. Declaring a tiny clump of cells that are in a womb a person would have been clearly anti-Libertarian in her view. She would Never have gone for this kind of crap. She hated religion and would have had an abortion just to prove a point. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:03 PM
cstanleytech (5,495 posts)
15. Vote Rand Paul!! Destroying America one Bill at a time!!!
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Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:04 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Oh, or "Vote Rand Paul!!! The American Taliban candidate!!!"
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:42 PM
HeiressofBickworth (1,254 posts)
16. My fear and utter terror
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Last edited Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:43 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) of these "personhood" bills relates to the unintended (or maybe not) consequences. My particular concern, as I've detailed on DU before, is in the area of ectopic (tubal) pregnancies. The fertilized egg sticks in the fallopian tube where it grows, stretches the tube, ruptures and causes the host (mother) to bleed to death internally. Only surgical intervention (removal of the tube and egg) can save her life -- I should know -- it happened to me and because of a doctor who didn't believe in such nonsense, they prepared the operating room at midnight and took me right in. I survived. Under the draconian personhood laws which allow for no exceptions to the removal of a fertilized egg, women like me would not survive. This is further proof of the War Against Women.
I appreciate Reid trying to keep it out of the insurance bill, but somewhere, somehow, someone needs to take on the issue of how dangerous the personhood theory is in the first place. |
Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:08 AM
HockeyMom (10,819 posts)
27. Same here
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but I was not as fortunate as you being in catholic hopital. I had to wait almost 24 hours, and my tube had ruptured. "We don't do abortions". What these insane people say is let the situation resolve itself rather than doing ANY abortion. What does this mean? Let the tube RUPTURE, and then try to save the life of the woman. How many women would die because of this? The embryo, and one that has ZERO chance of survival, is worth more than a living breathing woman.
Very frigthening, and ignornant of the complications of pregnancy. |
Response to HockeyMom (Reply #27)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:13 AM
AlbertCat (10,513 posts)
38. You were and "Heiress" potentially was a victim of...
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.... stupid men who don't know what they are even making laws about. They have no idea what goes on in a pregnancy. They have no idea how many fertilized eggs abort spontaneously or the simple fact that even every baby is NOT "a little bundle of joy from gawd!" They are stupid ignorant fools who use women to get their religious dogma made into law. They have little respect for science even though they use it and it makes their very lives hugely better. They are small minded and need a biology lesson.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:10 AM
Mz Pip (23,887 posts)
18. Marco Rubio was complaining on the Daily SHow
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about how Democrats wouldn't let the Senate vote on Republican amendments to bills. Well duh! Look at the shit they are trying to add on to legitimate bills.
Ridiculous and outlandish are polite ways of describing the crap they are pulling. |
Response to Mz Pip (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:31 AM
Scairp (2,253 posts)
19. So what did Stewart say to this?
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He doesn't usually let liars get away with that shit.
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Response to Scairp (Reply #19)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 05:34 AM
Ash_F (1,867 posts)
23. They went back and forth for twenty minutes.
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It was amazing. Rubio's brain is sealed as air tight as a space capsule.
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Response to Ash_F (Reply #23)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:56 AM
randome (14,010 posts)
32. He ALMOST came across as reasonable.
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Until Stewart pointed out the fallacies and hypocrisy. Rubio is a good-looking douche-bag.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:15 AM
azurnoir (27,388 posts)
21. ya I guess Rand can afford to do this his constituents in KY have little concern over hurricanes
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as to floods in general I haven't heard too much about Kentucky but the pukes are shameless however the at risk states which tend to be Red should be complaining about this wonder which means more to them hmmmm?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 03:41 AM
Norbert (2,591 posts)
22. Congrats to 'Senator' Rand Paul...
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I really thought it was quite impossible but you did it. In 18 months you managed to make the broken down career of Senator Jim Bunning look good by comparison.
The bad news is his political grandstanding and obstructionist politics will play well with the voters of Kentucky and he will in all likelyhood be a longstanding career politician. God help us. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:55 AM
SemperEadem (8,023 posts)
24. why is he expanding the power of the government? I thought he was against that?
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which way is it, harpo?
Reid should pull the flood insurance legislation altogether and blame paul for it. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:55 AM
Lawlbringer (521 posts)
26. Why stop there?
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Let's move to have life start at erection, so the Republicans can further persecute women who deny their husbands access to relief?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:09 AM
Blue_Tires (31,870 posts)
28. Don't forget the Paul boys are darlings of Operation Rescue
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OR also gave their official endorsement to Ron for president...
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:13 AM
Swede Atlanta (2,335 posts)
29. There is nothing (other than historical precedent) to prevent the two chambers..
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from adopting chamber rules that prohibit unrelated measures from being introduced or considered. Each bill has a preamble or stated purpose. In most cases it would be fairly easy to determine whether an amendment is germane to the bill's stated purpose. In this case it would be a no-brainer....purpose of bill - flood insurance, purpose of amendment - attack on women including letting them die. Decision- rejected. Please submit your own bill to attack and kill women on its own. We will decide whether to take it up.
Next......... |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 09:36 AM
Wolf Frankula (359 posts)
30. Come on now, Randroid, Paul.
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You now people aren't people, only corporations are people. Or are you backing personhood for fetal corporatios.
Wolf |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:30 AM
LynneSin (89,796 posts)
34. THere needs to be a law to stop these lil time bombs.
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Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:31 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) THis was a bill about Flood Insurance so all amendments should be related to FLOOD INSURANCE.
And Roy Blunt should be one of the first people to help ensure Flood Insurance bill passes since he represents a state that is notorious for being flooded. (Missouri) |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:32 AM
csziggy (14,419 posts)
35. Harry Reid got mad enough to call Rand Paul out
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Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:32 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) But since Harry Reid mad is about as hot as cool tap water, Rachel Maddow allowed a re-enactment by Kent Jones with REAL heat:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47971583 Best part starts after the 5:30 mark. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:02 AM
eringer (408 posts)
37. This is how Idiots finance their campaigns
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This is how republicans look presidential. I am sure that Ratzinger is proud.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 11:19 AM
Nye Bevan (11,272 posts)
40. Ah, there's the batshit crazy religious right in action.
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Screw hurricane victims. The religious implications of a sperm fertilizing an egg are so much more important.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:52 PM
SpartanDem (4,409 posts)
42. Let it expire
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don't give them a inch. When flooded homeowners don't have insurance they know who to blame.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
AngryOldDem (8,822 posts)
43. A preview of coming attractions. n/t
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 04:53 PM
rtracey (178 posts)
44. Good
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I say, I am so very sorry about your home, cars and businesses being flooded and lives ruined, but if the people who are affected still vote Republican, after this as Reid called "ridiculous" and "outlandish bill blocks help, then they deserve what they get. Sorry and good luck
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