Cameron says Corbyn should resign

[brooklynite]

Source: The Guardian

Corbyn says the vote last week was against the status quo. Cameron has two months left. Will he leave a one nation legacy?

Cameron says it is complete nonsense to pretend the vote was about the state of the economy. We all have to take responsibility for the vote, he says. He says Corbyn says he put his back into it. He would hate to see what it is like when Corbyn is not trying.

Corbyn says the number of children in poverty has increased by 200,000. Will Cameron apologise to them.

Cameron says relative income poverty is done. He says there are 300,000 fewer people in relative poverty than in 2010. And 500,000 fewer people in absolute poverty.

Cameron says it might be in the Conservative party’s interest for Corbyn to stay, but it is not in the national interest. He tells Corbyn to go.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/jun/29/brexit-live-sad-cameron-eu-immigration-corbyn-leadership

[Recursion]

1. *snort*

Sorry, that was amazing.

He probably will resign, but that was amazing...

[OnDoutside]

13. Cameron was right though. Corbyn was a wet rag during the campaign.

[Recursion]

26. OK, but this is the Black Knight in the Monty Python movie saying "call it a draw" (nt)

[OnDoutside]

29. Is Corbyn the Black Knight hanging around like a bad smell ?

[TubbersUK]

33. I agree , Corbyn did seem a bit half-hearted, BUT

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63% of Labour voters opted to 'Remain', whilst Cameron could only deliver 42% of Conservatives for the 'Remain' cause.


ETA: and off course Cameron kicked off the whole mis-begotten enterprise in the first place.

[LittleGirl]

2. Cameron has a lot of nerve

when he started this whole mess. He should have stepped down on Friday.

[Helen Borg]

3. Fuck you Cameron.

[FBaggins]

4. 80% of his own party says that he should resign.

He isn't going to have a choice for much longer.

[rpannier]

5. 80% of his own party?

I missed that
Where did 80% of his own party say he should resign
The members of Parliament are NOT the Party
The registered members of Labour are the party

[FBaggins]

6. Yes. His own party.

Labour's MPs voted no-confidence yesterday 172-40

[rpannier]

7. They are not THE PARTY

Labour Party are THE REGISTERED MEMBERS of the Party
If you are registered as Labour You are a member of the Party
The MPs are NOT the whole Party
Contrary to what you may wish to be true
I suggest you check with a local Labour counsilor and they will gladly explain it to you
The registered members of the Labour Party are the Party.

[Nihil]

31. Completely true but it's like hitting your head against a wall to get people to understand this!

So many "people" (remembering the new rules!) are totally missing the
difference between 172 fat-cat MPs and 270,000(*) Labour Party members!

FFS!







(*) = as of 2015 anyway

[Helen Borg]

9. Irrelevant...

He'll go only if the people elect someone else, or if he resigns. Sanders was not very popular with Democratic Senators!

[geek tragedy]

8. They both failed, utterly so. Biggest pair of losers in UK history

They not only helped dissolve the UK, but destroyed their own parties.

Labour is a permanent minority party once Scotland leaves.

Tories are a complete hot mess.

[Denzil_DC]

10. Second point not true: Labour's almost always had to win in the rest of the UK

to win a general election.

On only two or three occasions in the last 70 years has the way Scotland voted changed the result of a UK general election.

[geek tragedy]

19. the ideological differences between Scots and the English have never been more stark. nt

[Denzil_DC]

23. Yeah, in some ways.

Surveys have shown that when it comes to individual issues, we're really not so different. Can't explain why nevertheless we've come up with such different approaches to government in the past decade or so!

[Nihil]

11. Cameron? Definitely on the list of biggest losers. Corbyn? Hardly ...

Maybe you've forgotten about (or never learned about) the major league losers like
Neil Kinnock, Ed Milliband, Nick Clegg, John Major, Iain Duncan Smith, Michael Howard, ...?

The first two were previous Labour leaders, Clegg was allegedly a Liberal Democrat,
Major, IDS & Howard were Tory leaders. All were/are vain & greedy losers.

The Liberal Democrats are - deservedly - a non-starter these days, primarily due
to the cowardly, self-serving treachery of Clegg. No-one will trust them again for
decades.

Labour deserves to be a permanent minority party if they screw up this opportunity
to leave Blair's Conservative-Labour mongrel behind and get back to representing
the workers, the poor, the people who they have been deliberately ignoring for
countless years in favour of playing the same crony-capitalism games as the Tories.

The Tories are only in power through a) inertia and b) lack of competition.

If Corbyn is shafted before he even gets chance to clean out the champagne socialists
of the PLP, Labour will remain a bunch of squabbling, bed-wetting little non-entities.

[Nye Bevan]

15. Do you have a link to the list of Corbyn's accomplishments as leader? (nt)

[Denzil_DC]

24. Point 2 below covers a few

And that despite the shambles of the shadow cabinet willing him to fail. I'm not a Corbynite, but FFS, sabotage him at every turn, run to the salivating media to run him down, then complain he's a failure! Utterly transparent.

ETA: There's also the small matter of the social issue votes where he's led the defeat of the Tories, when the Labour "rebels" were intent on going along with the austerity-driven cuts, largely because they're craven, but not least because they believe in them, but people have very short memories.

[Nihil]

30. "All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, ...

...irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health,
what have the Romans ever done for us?"


Thanks for the timely post!

[Denzil_DC]

32. LOL

Thank you! I hadn't quite seen that that scene fits so many situations.

[geek tragedy]

17. Labor can't be a majority party without Scottish votes.

And the Brexit guaranteed that Scotland will leave the UK.

Corbyn never appreciated the stakes in the Brexit.

[Denzil_DC]

25. Labour lost Scotland under Miliband, before Corbyn took the leadership!

That cake had been baking for many years. No leader of the UK Labour Party'll ever win it back.

And I addressed your first assertion above - just hasn't been true historically.

[Shebear]

12. I was in Scotland last week...

... but listening to BBC broadcasts of town halls in the wake of Brexit... it doesn't break down along tradition political lines (tho some extremist groups are trying to exploit that). It is mostly a class issue. The area around London voted Stay (of course, financial center, more affluence), the countryside voted Leave. Scotland and N Ireland voted Stay. Their economies were not as negatively impacted... most people in England have not seen their lives improved, that was the basic story.

[TubbersUK]

27. Do you have any data ? n/t

[Shebear]

34. By this article, the same situ as here...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/15/britains-richest-1-percent-own-same-as-bottom-55-population

Talks about who has done well and who hasn't in England. When the vote was being tallied, you could see the regions around London and the SE going "Remain", and the north and western areas going "Leave".

But I was talking about what I actually heard and saw on BBC television. Very interesting town halls where the fault lines on the issue completely crossed traditional left/right boundaries. Even the immigrant community was divided - the Indian and Pakistanis were less enthusiastic about "Remain" than the EU immigrants... a lot of the "racial hostilities" were more "white on white" - of course most of the EU immigrants are Caucasian.

When reporters interviewed people in the smaller towns outside London, people pointed to a familiar theme here: loss of manufacturing jobs, with nothing to replace them. One couple pointed to a statue in the middle of a square that had been constructed with "EU money" - but noted the increased unemployment.

Almost everyone said they would respect the vote and not redo a referendum. Already markets have calmed down (predictably), and none of the other EU countries want to retaliate against a major trading partner, so it doesn't appear to be quite the apocalypse that the alarmists were predicting. Many on the "Remain" side conceded that they needed to be more mindful of those displaced by loss of manufacturing, and the sense of helplessness. All in all, a more polite, restrained response than you would expect over here.

[Kelvin Mace]

14. The pilot who has now left the flight deck

is complaining that the co-pilot should join him. The passengers, voted 52-48 to disregard air traffic control and the pilots are obligated to respect the non-binding vote the pilot stupidly called for.

[brooklynite]

16. Unfortunately it appears that half the plane doesn't trust the co-pilot's skill either...

[Nihil]

35. Correction: It appears that half of the flight attendants are having a hissy fit.

> Unfortunately it appears that half the plane doesn't trust the co-pilot's skill either...

172 fat taxpayer funded "Labour" MPs are against him.

Most of the 270,000 Labour Party members are for him.

Your comment would be more accurate if you'd said that the flight attendants are
busy trying to open the doors at 20,000 feet in order to register their protest at
someone saying they are overpaid.

[brooklynite]

37. Unfortunately the passengers have a choice of airlines...

...and nobody seems to think Corbyn's will be a popular choice.

[bemildred]

18. "And I'm just the one to tell him!" nt

[geek tragedy]

20. takes one to know one ... nt

[bemildred]

21. That desperate need to drag someone else down to your level so as not to be alone there. nt

[geek tragedy]

22. part of being a colossal loser is having nothing left to lose nt

[Denzil_DC]

28. "The good of the country!!!!"

"You have to think of the good of the country!!!! You can't let your own intra-party squabbles and your egotistical desire to hang on to power drag us all down ... Erm ... Erm ... Why are you all laughing?! THIS IS SERIES!!!!1! Now some of you are crying ...."

[yellowcanine]

36. Cameron has some nerve to be blaming others.

This was his and the Conservative Party's screw up and he should own it.
He could not even hold his own party together and he complains about the other parties?