Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:24 PM
dipsydoodle (32,617 posts)
Saudi Arabia plans to fund Syria rebel army
Source: Guardian
Saudi officials are preparing to pay the salaries of the Free Syria Army as a means of encouraging mass defections from the military and increasing pressure on the Assad regime, the Guardian has learned. The move, which has been discussed between Riyadh and senior officials in the US and Arab world, is believed to be gaining momentum as a recent flush of weapons sent to rebel forces by Saudi Arabia and Qatar starts to make an impact on battlefields in Syria. Officials in the Saudi capital embraced the idea when it was put to them by Arab officials in May, according to sources in three Arab states, around the same time that weapons started to flow across the southern Turkish border into the hands of Free Syria Army leaders. Turkey has also allowed the establishment of a command centre in Istanbul which is co-ordinating supply lines in consultation with FSA leaders inside Syria. The centre is believed to be staffed by up to 22 people, most of them Syrian nationals. Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/22/saudi-arabia-syria-rebel-army
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27 replies, 2752 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| dipsydoodle | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| hrmjustin | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| tabatha | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Comrade Grumpy | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Alamuti Lotus | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| harun | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| may3rd | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| leveymg | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| tabatha | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| leveymg | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| MADem | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| MADem | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| leveymg | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| MADem | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| riderinthestorm | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| may3rd | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| MADem | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| may3rd | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| harmonicon | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| ozone_man | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| MADem | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| may3rd | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| Tom Ripley | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| ronwelldobbs | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| nanabugg | Jun 2012 | #27 |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:26 PM
hrmjustin (9,081 posts)
1. SA and Iran are in a proxy war. Lets stay out of it. n/t
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:30 PM
tabatha (18,795 posts)
4. The US IS staying out of it.
Response to tabatha (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:51 PM
Comrade Grumpy (3,371 posts)
6. Well, except for those CIA guys in Turkey...
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...and who knows what else.
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Response to tabatha (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:51 PM
Alamuti Lotus (2,679 posts)
8. Such willful ignorance and naivety is really breathtaking..
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Response to tabatha (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:41 PM
harun (9,742 posts)
13. You forgot the sarcasm and laughing hysterical tags
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Just say'n.
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Response to tabatha (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:48 PM
may3rd (593 posts)
17. Staying out of it, how so ?
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The "US" iskeeping the covert lid on things as usual.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:29 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
2. This can only get worse, before it gets
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worse.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:30 PM
tabatha (18,795 posts)
3. "Saudi officials are preparing to pay the salaries "
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They said they were going to do this some months ago, and the rebels complained that they never saw a dime.
Maybe just talking about it would get the defections to happen. I do not think a free Syria wants Saudi Arabia anywhere near them after Assad is gone. After all they are both authoritarian states. |
Response to tabatha (Reply #3)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:48 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
7. Once a contest or vacuum of power was created, it was inevitable KSA would move in.
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That is the imperative of the emerging Wahhabi jihad and caliphate in the region. They view it as a duty and an opportunity, just as the stripping off of the Muslim republics from the former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia presented opportunities.
This is an extension of two decades of expanding religious wars waged by al-Qaeda and other Saudi-backed militias. Whether or not most Syrians welcome them, they're back. |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:43 PM
MADem (85,989 posts)
5. Will they serve as our proxies for arms transfers? nt
Response to MADem (Reply #5)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:55 PM
riderinthestorm (13,166 posts)
9. Nah, we're just doing it ourselves.
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C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition
Source: New York Times WASHINGTON — A small number of C.I.A. officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey, helping allies decide which Syrian opposition fighters across the border will receive arms to fight the Syrian government, according to American officials and Arab intelligence officers. The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some antitank weapons, are being funneled mostly across the Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries including Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood and paid for by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, the officials said. The C.I.A. officers have been in southern Turkey for several weeks, in part to help keep weapons out of the hands of fighters allied with Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups, one senior American official said. The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels, but it has also acknowledged that Syria’s neighbors would do so. The clandestine intelligence-gathering effort is the most detailed known instance of the limited American support for the military campaign against the Syrian government. It is also part of Washington’s attempt to increase the pressure on President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, who has recently escalated his government’s deadly crackdown on civilians and the militias battling his rule. With Russia blocking more aggressive steps against the Assad government, the United States and its allies have instead turned to diplomacy and aiding allied efforts to arm the rebels to force Mr. Assad from power. Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120621 |
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #9)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:02 PM
MADem (85,989 posts)
10. I think they may be still up for go-between duty...Tinker to Evers to Chance!
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From your cite: The Obama administration has said it is not providing arms to the rebels, but it has also acknowledged that Syria’s neighbors would do so.
I think Assad needs to go. Now. I shake my head every time I see what that asshole has done to Syria. His father was a pussycat by comparison...and everyone had such high hopes for Bashar the basher--such a BAS-tard! |
Response to MADem (Reply #10)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:21 PM
riderinthestorm (13,166 posts)
11. I don't think its at all clear about Assad
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This isn't an Arab Spring dictator revolution. Its a Sunni/Shia civil war, its a low grade tribal conflict that's erupted into the big leagues, its Russia's only base in the ME and cold war remnants (hideously enough), its Israel and its hunger to take on Iran (which it believes may be possible through the machinations in Syria) etc. etc. There are so many players in this, its impossible to say with certainty which particular issue is predominant anymore imho. There's a reason DE Lawrence wanted Damascus as the capital of a Pan Arab league... it really is a pivotal intersection of religious, cultural and tribal affairs.
Assad being assassinated or otherwise forcibly removed will move the region into full blown genocidal warfare. I know its terrible there right now but if Assad goes, what's happening now will look like a tempest in a teapot. Iran has already said that if Assad is removed, they will go after Israel. As for the arms, yeah well, we provide the arms to the Saudis who give them to the Syrian opposition. I guess it looks as though we aren't providing them directly but nobody's really fooled. |
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #11)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:37 PM
leveymg (26,334 posts)
12. I'm not entirely convinced that Assad is the essential man, but the Alawites will not survive
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Last edited Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:38 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) without the protection of the Syrian Army controlled by the Ba'ath Party, or leadership that is strongly Shi'ia in character.
They know it, and as a massively outnumbered minority regime surrounded by Sunnis and the Turks, they will fight to the death to preserve that part of the status quo. The Alawite really have no other choice. |
Response to leveymg (Reply #12)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:42 PM
riderinthestorm (13,166 posts)
14. Agreed but Assad is who they have right now, so support him they do. A surprising number of Syrians
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still do support Assad...
.... (waiting for the inevitable rush of posters objecting to THAT statement in 3...2...1...) |
Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #11)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:45 PM
MADem (85,989 posts)
15. He's an Alawite, a Twelver, a minority within a minority!
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Even though his daddy tried to give the Alawi a sunni patina, to make it seem like they were in with the rest of the group.
Iran says a lot of shit, but they often don't follow through. In fact, they damn near never do. The last time they really did what they said they were going to do, they went to war with Iraq and fought a war of stalemate for frigging ever. I don't know how easy it will be for them to get involved. They talk a good fight but they've got money problems and the picture on the ground in Syria is not clear. Shias are a clear minority in Syria even though they reproduce prodigiously. If an opposition leader with a good idea or ten is clearly identified, and the rebels rally round him (because it will not be a her), you never know. Other regional actors--and us--may have already picked out a likely candidate.... Who follows Assad will make a difference. But someone needs to follow him. He's just an asshole. |
Response to MADem (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:51 PM
riderinthestorm (13,166 posts)
16. Yeah, I'm no fan of Assad. He's a butcher and a thug. Another bloody ME strongman
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with limited vision, a small dick, and a cast-iron grip on the country's riches.
So depressing. |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:51 PM
may3rd (593 posts)
18. Saudi Arabia plans "... plans? PLANS !!?
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They have been greasing the wheels for some time since the fall of Ghaddafy is looks . They plan on keeping a stable Egyptian neighbor also
by any means necessary . |
Response to may3rd (Reply #18)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:24 AM
MADem (85,989 posts)
22. Hey, they are the Guardians of the Holy Places.
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They make a ton of money off the oil, but the Hajj pulls in a nice bit of scratch, as well--and that's less beholden to market forces.
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Response to MADem (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:16 AM
may3rd (593 posts)
24. Sounds like an "inside job" is in the works with the help of "outsourcing" manpower to do it
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If anyone cares to connect the dots after the "barbarians have breached the gates" of Damascus ,
it will be the house of Saud royals have reimbursed Turkey for; making the world safe for islamockcracy .... while they distract the population with current events to get their house in order to firm up the succession of who is who that wields power in the magic kingdom of humpty dumpty. "The king is dead, long live the king " ![]() |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:30 PM
harmonicon (11,934 posts)
19. Well, if they're funded by the Saudis, they must be the good guys.
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I can't think of anything funded by or carried out by Saudis in the last 11 years that hasn't been completely excellent.
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Response to harmonicon (Reply #19)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:02 PM
ozone_man (4,076 posts)
21. Another bogus rebel army.
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El Salvador, Nicaragua, wherever "democracy" wants to be, ... rinse and repeat.
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Response to ozone_man (Reply #21)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:26 AM
MADem (85,989 posts)
23. Those are real people. They are the majority faith, living under the boot of a
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minority elite. Many of them have seen family members tortured and murdered.
There's more to this than "bogus" assertions and outside actors. I won't deny that outsiders are stirring the pot, but al-Assad has been a brute and a thug for far too long, now. He makes his old man look like a veritable statesman by comparison. |
Response to MADem (Reply #23)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:22 AM
may3rd (593 posts)
25. He just wanted to be an eye doctor, surely you can see that.....
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His brother was groomed for the job but "situations happen" where the family business pulled him back in
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:45 PM
Tom Ripley (2,642 posts)
20. Our "friends" in the Mideast
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 06:15 PM
ronwelldobbs (28 posts)
26. Looks like this turning out to be the proxy war between SA and Iran.
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
nanabugg (2,198 posts)
27. We're on the wrong side once again. Saudi supporting rebels not surprising sine rebels are
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supported by al-quaeda. We just don't learn. Iraq, Libya, now Syria.... The PNAC wet dream.
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