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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:08 PM Jun 2016

3 people arrested w/ multiple loaded guns, rifles, bullet-proof vests at Holland Tunnel NJ

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Reuters

@Reuters: BREAKING: Three people arrested with multiple loaded guns, rifles, bullet-proof vests at Holland Tunnel in New Jersey: NBC

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Will update.

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3 people arrested w/ multiple loaded guns, rifles, bullet-proof vests at Holland Tunnel NJ (Original Post) Hissyspit Jun 2016 OP
let the speculation begin snooper2 Jun 2016 #1
That they are closet cases? David__77 Jun 2016 #32
... Ugh. Agschmid Jun 2016 #2
Two senior law enforcement officials say the three suspects are so-called "gun enthusiasts" teach1st Jun 2016 #3
They're all "gun enthusiasts" until they start shooting jberryhill Jun 2016 #9
What is going to happen when a group of these "gun enthusiasts" kill a large number of people again? redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #10
Just so I'm clear... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #35
No, I was raised on a farm with guns. redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #37
Okay then. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #42
And also, so what if someone has lots of guns? Urchin Jun 2016 #47
*shrug* Like I said, I never saw a problem with it. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #51
It is beyond healthy to have so many objects of destruction. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #103
Not sure these folks would compare to the couple you baby sat for. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #53
Yep, it very well could be my neighbor. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #57
I don't live in constant paranoia either. I was responding to your opinion. Fla Dem Jun 2016 #104
So when do the "gun enthusiasts" get to cross the line and start their own country? The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #102
Automatic weapons! StoneCarver Jun 2016 #82
Gun absolutists are enablers, though Politicub Jun 2016 #45
Can't really argue with that. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #46
Gun owners need to OWN the gun PROBLEM and stop putting forward the NRA lostnfound Jun 2016 #83
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #85
Well, that's part of the problem, isn't it? Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #90
Yes there are. okieinpain Jun 2016 #80
All right then. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #88
i went over to a friends house to drop off some okieinpain Jun 2016 #105
So... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #107
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #84
Just for the record here... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #89
Merely questioning certain antigun posters can get you labeled an NRA sympathizer at DU friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #97
I'm kinda getting that vibe, yeah. Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #99
Gun Enthusiasts.... cynzke Jun 2016 #28
I wonder if these gun enthusiasts were Muslim vdogg Jun 2016 #44
"ammosexuals" would be a better description. Kaleva Jun 2016 #55
Um, their "nexus to terror" *is* that they are "gun enthusiasts." nt villager Jun 2016 #76
And of course the law enforcement brain trust called them "gun enthusiasts" 47of74 Jun 2016 #4
Yep PatSeg Jun 2016 #21
I wonder what the reaction would be if CanonRay Jun 2016 #25
Like I said 47of74 Jun 2016 #33
gotta make it through the tunnel / got a meeting with a man on the oth-er siiiiiide unblock Jun 2016 #5
Domestic terrorists. onehandle Jun 2016 #6
Probably a very silly question given your signature line, but... Sand Rat Expat Jun 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jun 2016 #71
The Reuters bulletin cites NBC. NBC says "gun enthusiasts." Eugene Jun 2016 #7
'and have no nexus to terror' - Violence is not necessary for it to be terrorism. nt onehandle Jun 2016 #11
Agree! peace13 Jun 2016 #16
Responsible gun enthusiam does NOT involve improper transportation of weapons rocktivity Jun 2016 #39
Trump supporting TeaBaggers I bet. AngryAmish Jun 2016 #8
So "gun enthusiasts" is code for? MattP Jun 2016 #12
It's code for "Nothing to see here. Move along now." Shemp Howard Jun 2016 #15
White dudes alcibiades_mystery Jun 2016 #22
White guys. Iggo Jun 2016 #38
White people rocktivity Jun 2016 #40
White bubbas SaveAmerica Jun 2016 #49
My gun nutter summer vacation ".......... Person 2713 Jun 2016 #13
"no nexus to terror" bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #14
You can buy night vision goggles at Dicks Sporting Goods hack89 Jun 2016 #17
I'm tellin' ya bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #26
I bought night vision goggles for my grandson gwheezie Jun 2016 #29
Yep. FLPanhandle Jun 2016 #31
So why are "gun enthusiasts" toting bullet-proof vests? KansDem Jun 2016 #18
I bet they are preppers. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #20
That thought didn't occur to me. KansDem Jun 2016 #27
that was my thought too~ Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2016 #36
Many RSO's wear Kevlar at the range, just as a precaution. Ikonoklast Jun 2016 #41
On their way to an NRA sewing bee. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #50
Okay sorry I can't resist discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #96
Sounds like Wanna be Rambos.. mackdaddy Jun 2016 #19
And here's their picture. drm604 Jun 2016 #30
Win! geardaddy Jun 2016 #60
You don't have to worry about those guys. Despite firing thousands and thousands of rounds... PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #63
But they did do a lot of damage to a lot of walls! drm604 Jun 2016 #75
Since they already have some drugs I figure they were on their way to rip off those drug dealers TeamPooka Jun 2016 #61
This is local news for me, the Holland Tunnel is about 10 minutes from my town. Beacool Jun 2016 #23
I live 20 minutes from the Lincoln Tunnel and whenever I am on rt3 at rush hour... Walk away Jun 2016 #24
Yeah, they are always checking any vehicle that looks suspicious. Beacool Jun 2016 #56
They were checking a vehicle Sunday JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #64
gun owners nt msongs Jun 2016 #34
Here's the truck and the guns rocktivity Jun 2016 #48
Clearly they're patriots neohippie Jun 2016 #66
I keep expecting that truck to transform into a giant alien robot. Calista241 Jun 2016 #67
Heading to a NASCAR truck race? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #78
Who drives around in a ugly piece of crap like that? rockfordfile Jun 2016 #86
Bloody handed wankas. Darb Jun 2016 #95
Looks like they are being called 'vigilantes'. christx30 Jun 2016 #52
They are just exercising the 2nd half of their 2nd Amendment rights. Kaleva Jun 2016 #54
Fu*k! I'm on edge all of the time now. Laffy Kat Jun 2016 #58
There are more than 350 million guns in this country. mnhtnbb Jun 2016 #62
No, it is not just a matter of time hack89 Jun 2016 #69
I didn't mean to imply that it was just a matter of time for ME. Laffy Kat Jun 2016 #93
Strange that people describe ME as "living in fear." Nap time comin' up. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #79
You are 3 times more likely to die in a car accident that get shot by someone. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #81
Oh, I KNOW I have an anxiety disorder. Laffy Kat Jun 2016 #92
Members of the not-so-well regulated militia BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #59
Drugs on them JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #65
Maybe the woman being held in Queens against their will rocktivity Jun 2016 #70
Reno 911 was a documentary series? rocktivity Jun 2016 #68
GOVERNMENT OVER-REACH! Aristus Jun 2016 #72
I bet those guys had some "Modern Sporting Rifles," didn't they? Paladin Jun 2016 #73
From Higher Ground Tactical's Facebook Page rocktivity Jun 2016 #74
With our lax gun laws, we will see more of this -- either foreign terrorists or more likely domestic Hoyt Jun 2016 #77
Gun nuts rockfordfile Jun 2016 #87
Update rocktivity Jun 2016 #91
"gun nuts drove monster truck to NYC to rescue heroin addcit" Enrique Jun 2016 #94
Many morals to this story: appal_jack Jun 2016 #98
The Latest: Lawyers Will Seek to Have Gun Evidence Tossed Eugene Jun 2016 #100
The search was not illegal rocktivity Jun 2016 #106
ISIS!!!!! blackspade Jun 2016 #101
Bail Reduced for 2 Arrested at Holland Tunnel With Weapons Eugene Sep 2016 #108
Trio pleads not guilty in New Jersey gun transport case Eugene Oct 2016 #109

teach1st

(5,928 posts)
3. Two senior law enforcement officials say the three suspects are so-called "gun enthusiasts"
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Holland-Tunnel-Arrest-Weapon-Ammon-Ballistic-Vests-Terrorism-Investigation-New-York-383805691.html


Two senior law enforcement officials say the three suspects are so-called "gun enthusiasts" and have no nexus to terror. There is no known threat
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. They're all "gun enthusiasts" until they start shooting
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jun 2016

They were probably just out for a bite to eat

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
10. What is going to happen when a group of these "gun enthusiasts" kill a large number of people again?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jun 2016

Will we call them domestic terrorists then instead of "gun enthusiasts"? These people are terrorists, plain and simple. They aren't hunters, they aren't recreational shooters, they are terrorists. There is a difference.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
35. Just so I'm clear...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

You're saying that "gun enthusiasts" in general are "terrorists"?

In that case, there are an awful lot of "terrorists" in the United States, and I guess everyone who posts in the Gungeon is a "terrorist."

If that is indeed what you're saying, don't you think what you're saying is just a wee bit hyperbolic?

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
37. No, I was raised on a farm with guns.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

I have a serious problem with people who have a large amount of automatic weapons. I don't think the automatic weapon ban should have been lifted. I have no problem with people who go hunting, as long as it isn't hunting people, or people who enjoy going to the gun range and shooting for pleasure. I don't understand liking to shoot but I don't take issue with it. I see "gun enthusiasts" as mentioned by police as someone with a garage full of weapons and unreasonable expectations.

If several "gun enthusiasts" get together and decide to go shoot a bunch of liberals who want to "take their guns away" then they become domestic terrorists.

I've never visited Gungeon because I'm not interested.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
42. Okay then.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

Though I'm not entirely sure there are very many people out there with a large supply of automatic weapons, apart from the military. Automatic weapons are heavily restricted by federal law already, so I think you're referring to the assault weapon ban that expired some years ago.

But I mean... when I was a kid, I babysat for a couple who had LOTS of guns. I mean looooooooooooots of guns. They enjoyed collecting them, fixing them, cleaning them, etc. They had his-and-hers sets and all that, and they did target shooting, skeet shooting, deer hunting, etc. I'd call them "gun enthusiasts" because it was their particular hobby, but I don't see any harm in what they were doing. It's their money to spend, and since the guns were legal to own and legally purchased, I don't see why it's anyone's business how many guns they own if they can afford it.

 

Urchin

(248 posts)
47. And also, so what if someone has lots of guns?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

They can only shoot one gun at a time anyway. Well, maybe two six guns at the same time, like in Westerns.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
51. *shrug* Like I said, I never saw a problem with it.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jun 2016

They had loads of guns, but they kept them locked up where their son couldn't possibly get at them. Neither could I, for that matter, and I was in my mid-teens. The guns and the workshop they'd built to tinker with them were essentially in a room-sized safe with three separate locks, and inside that room the guns were in cases with trigger-guards on them. If they kept a handgun out somewhere for home defense or whatever, I never knew of it, let alone had any idea where it was.

Either way, just based on the fact that they collected guns, a lot of people would classify them as "gun-humpers" even though I feel such a term doesn't fit in this case.

The Wielding Truth

(11,411 posts)
103. It is beyond healthy to have so many objects of destruction.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

Like people who collect guillotines or poison or nooses. It's weird. Okay if you hunt you only need a gun or two and if you need protection you only need a gun or two. If you like to go and shoot you can have a gun or two, and any other one you want to play with, should be able to be rented at the shooting range to use there.

Hording weapons is not healthy.

Fla Dem

(23,340 posts)
53. Not sure these folks would compare to the couple you baby sat for.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

Most of these are within the last year and are the ones the authorities actually found. There are plenty of crazies out there stockpiling. Could be your neighbor.

WEAPONS CACHE FOUND IN BROOKLYN WOMAN'S APARTMENT
http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-weapons-cache-found-in-brooklyn-womans-apartment/1345044/

3 ARRESTED AFTER CACHE OF WEAPONS FOUND IN VAN AT HOLLAND TUNNEL
http://abc7ny.com/news/cache-of-weapons-found-in-van-at-holland-tunnel;-3-arrested/1394834/

Huge cache of weapons found Maston Mills, Ma



Mystery of dead man and his 1,200 guns deepens
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-guns-20150720-story.html

Large weapons cache found in NHP home
http://www.theislandnow.com/great_neck/news/large-weapons-cache-found-in-nhp-home/article_6cf59abc-0266-11e6-bba3-03ec4b94a71f.html

Weapons cache, bomb guide, Nazi flags found on Long Island
http://www.fox5ny.com/news/160671674-story

Cave full of weapons discovered by California deputies
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/14/16962764-cave-full-of-weapons-discovered-by-california-deputies

Queens man arrested for huge stockpile of weapons including 17 guns, 225 pounds of gunpowder and thousands of ammo rounds
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/queens-man-arrested-huge-weapons-stockpile-17-guns-article-1.2527173

Cops: New Fairfield man found with numerous assault rifles
http://www.newstimes.com/policereports/article/Cops-New-Fairfield-man-found-with-numerous-8315048.php

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
57. Yep, it very well could be my neighbor.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

Then again, it just as well might not be.

I'm not going to live in constant paranoia of what my neighbors may or may not be doing.

Fla Dem

(23,340 posts)
104. I don't live in constant paranoia either. I was responding to your opinion.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016
"Though I'm not entirely sure there are very many people out there with a large supply of automatic weapons, apart from the military. "


Just giving a few examples where large caches of arms have been found recently.

I will continue to go to movie theaters, shopping malls, sporting events, concerts etc, without the fear that some heavily armed psychopath might end my life because they are upset about something and they have access to assault weapons. That doesn't diminish the fact it could happen. I'm sure the dead and injured at the Pulse Club didn't go there that nigh fearful that they were going to be mowed down.
 

StoneCarver

(249 posts)
82. Automatic weapons!
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jun 2016

If you were raised with guns, you don't know what you're talking about. Automatic weapons have been illegal for some time, except with special permits from the ATF. You are talking about semiautomatic weapons. Mechanically there is no difference between a semiautomatic hunting rifle or shotgun and an assault rifle.
This is where it becomes difficult to legally regulate, mechanically they're the same. I personally would like to see an assault weapons ban -because they are weapons do war designed to kill only people. How do you do this?
Stonecarver

Politicub

(12,163 posts)
45. Gun absolutists are enablers, though
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

Of course not all gun owners are terrorists. But those gun owners dedicated to blocking sensible reforms of gun law have the blood of innocents on their hands.

They make the job a lot easier for terrorists to get their hands on these weapons engineered to murder mass numbers of people.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
46. Can't really argue with that.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

The ones who think the Second Amendment gives them the right to own any type of gun they please, with no restrictions, certainly aren't helping matters.

A lot of the problem is that a sizable chunk of gun owners suspect or believe that the ultimate goal of those of us advocating for common-sense reform is a complete ban and confiscation. As long as that's the case, they'll oppose any reform.

That being the case, the absolutists on the other side of the issue aren't helping matters, either. Until the two sides manage to stop disparaging one another and learn to gain some measure of trust in good intentions, I don't see the status quo changing. We can't use language like "gun-humpers" and "ammosexuals" and then expect these people to be receptive to the points we're trying to make and the changes we're trying to bring about.

lostnfound

(16,138 posts)
83. Gun owners need to OWN the gun PROBLEM and stop putting forward the NRA
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

as their sole contribution to the dialog about how to keep classrooms full of 7-year olds and bars full of young people from getting slaughtered by one crazy person who gets his hands on a weapon too powerful to be in the hands of a crazed or racist or extremist or homophobic or maladjusted antisocial lunatic.

That's all. "Solve it." We non-gun owners are sick to DEATH of the NRA.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
90. Well, that's part of the problem, isn't it?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

Gun owners who don't commit crimes or hurt anyone don't see themselves as part of the problem. Rational or not, their feelings on the matter are "I haven't done anything wrong, so why should I be punished because someone else did?" That's their mindset, so whether we like it or not, they're going to set their feet and resist what they see as unjust punishment and restriction of their rights that they did nothing to earn.

That's the attitude most gun owners have going into this issue, and I unfortunately don't see it changing any time soon.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
88. All right then.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

If you're taking the stance that gun owners who have broken no laws and committed no crime are "domestic terrorists" then I'm not sure what to say to you.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
105. i went over to a friends house to drop off some
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jun 2016

papers and within 15 minutes he had shown me more guns then i had seen in 50 years of living. he has broken no laws and i would tell you to your face he's a nice guy. but with just the amount of firepower he showed me and just how giddy he was to show me his guns, yep i would call him a terrorist.

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
107. So...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

Despite having broken no laws... and despite having no plans to do so that you're aware of... and despite having no intention whatsoever to strike terror into anyone... you'd call him a terrorist. It doesn't look like a duck, or quack like a duck, or walk like a duck, but it's a duck.

Makes perfect sense.

Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #35)

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
89. Just for the record here...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jun 2016

My asking someone if they're saying that all gun owners are "domestic terrorists" is somehow supporting the NRA?

You should stop jumping to conclusions.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
97. Merely questioning certain antigun posters can get you labeled an NRA sympathizer at DU
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

I know, as it's happened to me- and I thoroughly despise the NRA.

The antigun religion 'round here is a strict one, and what's perceived as backsliding
or blasphemy often sends the True Believers into a fine froth...

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
99. I'm kinda getting that vibe, yeah.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jun 2016

I guess the idea that not every gun owner is an evil mass-murderer just waiting to explode into a flurry of violence is too nuanced for some people.

I'm also getting the impression that pointing out the obvious isn't welcome, either. Vilifying all gun owners in the most extreme terms and then saying "Now why won't they sit down with us and work something out?!" is just a breathtaking example of cognitive dissonance.

Oh well.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
28. Gun Enthusiasts....
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jun 2016

Problem is....how do you tell a gun enthusiast from an armed "ticking time bomb"?
They are always START OUT as harmless gun enthusiasts. Then this... . And the world is and do this !

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
4. And of course the law enforcement brain trust called them "gun enthusiasts"
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

So I'm guessing they were not of Middle Eastern origin or they'd be going on about how they were terrorists, with the media fanning the flames once again.

CanonRay

(14,036 posts)
25. I wonder what the reaction would be if
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

It were three Arab-Americanseparate armed to the teeth at the Holland Tunnel?

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
33. Like I said
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

It would be "Oh, look out!!! There are sceeery tewwowwwists out there! We just bagged some at the Holland Tunnel!!!!"

unblock

(51,973 posts)
5. gotta make it through the tunnel / got a meeting with a man on the oth-er siiiiiide
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

Meeting Across the River
Bruce Springsteen

Hey Eddie, can you lend me a few bucks
Tonight can you get us a ride
Gotta make it through the tunnel
Got a meeting with a man on the other side
Hey Eddie, this guy, he's the real thing
So if you want to come along
You gotta promise you won't say anything
'Cause this guy don't dance
The word's been passed, this is our last chance
We gotta stay cool tonight, Eddie
'Cause man, we got ourselves out on that line
And if we blow this one
They ain't gonna be looking for just me this time
And all we gotta do is hold up our end
Here, stuff this in your pocket
It'll look like you're carrying a friend
And remember, just don't smile
Change your shirt, 'cause tonight we got style

Sand Rat Expat

(290 posts)
43. Probably a very silly question given your signature line, but...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

Don't you think asserting that gun owners are "domestic terrorists" is a little over the top? Or is it only those who open carry?

I don't see how calling gun owners who haven't broken any laws or committed any crimes "domestic terrorists" advances common-sense gun control in any measurable way.

Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #43)

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
7. The Reuters bulletin cites NBC. NBC says "gun enthusiasts."
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jun 2016

Source: NBC 4 New York

3 Arrested With Multiple Loaded Guns, Knives, Body Armor at Holland Tunnel on Way to NYC

Two senior law enforcement officials say the three suspects are so-called "gun enthusiasts" and have no nexus to terror

By Pei-Sze Cheng and Jonathan Dienst

Three people were arrested with multiple loaded guns, rifles and ballistic vests at the Holland Tunnel Tuesday when police stopped them for driving with a cracked windshield, authorities tell NBC 4 New York.

The three individuals, two men in their 50s and a woman in her 20s who may be from Pennsylvania, were stopped on the New Jersey side of the tunnel around 8 a.m., authorities said. A search of their vehicle revealed the weapons cache.

The guns seized included long-range weapons as well as handguns. A camouflage helmet with what appeared to be night goggles was also recovered.

Two senior law enforcement officials say the three suspects are so-called "gun enthusiasts" and have no nexus to terror. There is no known threat.

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Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Holland-Tunnel-Arrest-Weapon-Ammon-Ballistic-Vests-Terrorism-Investigation-New-York-383805691.html

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
39. Responsible gun enthusiam does NOT involve improper transportation of weapons
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2020, 05:25 PM - Edit history (2)

and certainly does not involve improper transportation of LOADED weapons!


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
40. White people
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)

But if the weapons were loaded and improperly stored for transport, they weren't enthusiastic at all.


rocktivity

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. You can buy night vision goggles at Dicks Sporting Goods
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

they are so cheap they have moved into the civilian world. I know a lot of people that own them - many are not gun owners.

http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/products/night-vision-goggles-scopes.jsp

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
29. I bought night vision goggles for my grandson
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

For his 10th birthday. He loves to go camping and he enjoys nature, he thought they were the coolest gift he got and still uses them.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
27. That thought didn't occur to me.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

What a sad state of affairs when we begin living life fearing the worse while ignoring the best...

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. Many RSO's wear Kevlar at the range, just as a precaution.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

Splinters from rounds striking a hard surface, ND's, doesn't matter.

Better safe than sorry.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
96. Okay sorry I can't resist
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:06 PM
Jun 2016

I am pro-RKBA but: "So why are "gun enthusiasts" toting bullet-proof vests?"

Answer: To keep from getting killed by their toddlers, perhaps...

Sorry again....

mackdaddy

(1,520 posts)
19. Sounds like Wanna be Rambos..
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016
Drugs were in the vehicle along with the guns, according to one law enforcement official. One of the suspects allegedly told authorities the trio was en route to Queens to try to save a friend who is on heroin and being held against her will. Police are looking for the possible woman in Queens.

The investigation is ongoing.


By the way, going through NY/NJ even with the arsenal is actually legal. Going TO these states, not so much. http://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-firearm.shtml


PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
63. You don't have to worry about those guys. Despite firing thousands and thousands of rounds...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

from machine guns they apparently never seriously wounded anyone.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
23. This is local news for me, the Holland Tunnel is about 10 minutes from my town.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

They are saying on the news that this is drug related, not terrorism. A lot of the guns that come to this area are purchased in the South and brought North. We'll see how this story develops.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
24. I live 20 minutes from the Lincoln Tunnel and whenever I am on rt3 at rush hour...
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

someone's van or small truck is being searched on the side of the road. You have to figure that there is something going on every day at one of the ways in.

Beacool

(30,244 posts)
56. Yeah, they are always checking any vehicle that looks suspicious.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

On the news they said that they stopped the car because the windshield was cracked.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
64. They were checking a vehicle Sunday
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

When we went in. It's a pain in the ass - but as we see . . . A necessity.

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
48. Here's the truck and the guns
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jun 2016




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? Tactical rail installations
? Custom stock configurations
? Optics/Laser mounting and bore sighting
? Night vision scopes
? Bi-pods
? Accessory mounting


Well, fine -- but I consider that all the MORE reason to hold them responsible for knowing where and how they can travel with their weapons!


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neohippie

(1,142 posts)
66. Clearly they're patriots
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jun 2016

I mean who else would take the time to put your shotgun shells in red white and blue order in your ammo belt, these guys have to be good guys right?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
52. Looks like they are being called 'vigilantes'.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-arrest-3-people-loaded-handguns-holland-tunnel-article-1.2682095

Said they were going to rescue a woman being held against her will. Looks like all 3 are involved with heroin. Exactly the type of people that we want involved with guns.

Laffy Kat

(16,354 posts)
58. Fu*k! I'm on edge all of the time now.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jun 2016

We all know it's just a matter of time, right? I find myself thinking about it when I'm in a movie theater, in a supermarket, even driving down the street. When I'm safe at home, I worry about my adult children CONSTANTLY. IMO, our obsession with guns is reducing the quality of life in this country. I'm sick of it.

mnhtnbb

(31,316 posts)
62. There are more than 350 million guns in this country.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

I agree with you. I don't want to live surrounded by gun nuts and bigots. It's way too easy for zealots and nuts to act out on
whatever hatred they have for someone else.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
69. No, it is not just a matter of time
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jun 2016

for the vast majority of Americans the likelihood of getting shot is ridiculously low. You should obsess about all those bad drivers sharing the road with you if you are concerned about yours or your family's safety.

Laffy Kat

(16,354 posts)
93. I didn't mean to imply that it was just a matter of time for ME.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

Just that the next mass shooting is only around the corner. It WILL happen; we just don't know when, where, or how many innocent lives will be wasted.

On edit: I guess my post DID imply that, but my fear is more for my kids. And, oddly, I don't actually fear getting mowed down, it's more being in that situation, the before and after. What would I do, etc.

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
81. You are 3 times more likely to die in a car accident that get shot by someone.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

If you are affected as much as you say by the fear you probably have an anxiety disorder that can be treated.

Laffy Kat

(16,354 posts)
92. Oh, I KNOW I have an anxiety disorder.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jun 2016

And it is being treated, although I rather suspect I need to increase my meds! LOL

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
70. Maybe the woman being held in Queens against their will
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:01 PM - Edit history (1)

was their dealer, and the ransom was the guns.


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
68. Reno 911 was a documentary series?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jun 2016
NY Daily News:

The trio was stopped on the New Jersey toll plaza for the tunnel at about 7:40 a.m. for...a cracked windshield, police said...All three are white...The name of an Emmaus, Penn. gun store called Higher Ground Tactical was...written several times on the...vividly colored red, black and green Dodge pickup...When a Port Authority Police officer looked into a window, he saw the magazine for a gun.

An ensuing search turned up five pistols, two rifles (including a shotgun and what resembles an assault rifle), four knives, 10 loaded clips of ammunition, and a military-grade helmet...Some of the guns were found hidden in a passenger compartment...All the guns were “locked and loaded,” a source said...

Police also found drug paraphernalia...and believe all three suspects are heavy heroin users...They may have been coming to Queens to rescue a woman, also involved with heroin, who was being held against her will...

A man who answered the phone at (Higher Ground Tactical) declined to comment on the incident...It was not immediately clear whether the guns were licensed in Pennsylvania...Charges are pending...


rocktivity

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
73. I bet those guys had some "Modern Sporting Rifles," didn't they?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

That's what guys like them would like the rest of us to call assault rifles......

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
74. From Higher Ground Tactical's Facebook Page
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

Last edited Tue Jun 21, 2016, 06:52 PM - Edit history (1)

We DON'T SELL FIREARMS...

Since the opening of Higher Ground Tactical, our purpose was clear and evident. We are a Firearms Safety and Training Facility offering Personal One on One / Couples / Groups or Family Shooting Lessons with your very own Personal NRA Certified Firearms Training Instructor...We have over 175 Rental choices in every Caliber for you to try for just $10 an hour plus the price for a box of ammo...

It makes no difference to me where you purchase your firearm from. I am friends with the owners of almost every shop in our region and we will gladly assist you in getting the right firearm for you at the right price and delivered to the Local FFL Gun Shop in your hometown...

Well, then, when the Pennsylvania Attorney General drops in to raid you guys, you'd better have an explanation ready for why one of your company vehicles were involved -- and heaven forbid if any of the weapons that were found in it is one of your "rentals!"


rocktivity
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
77. With our lax gun laws, we will see more of this -- either foreign terrorists or more likely domestic
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

terrorists like the Bundy Ranch Militia. It's not going to stop, and those who are armed up aren't going to worry about anyone's rights but there own ability to intimidate with their friggin weapons.

rockfordfile

(8,682 posts)
87. Gun nuts
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:03 PM
Jun 2016

Something is wrong with these people. Bullet-proof vests? A gun culture by the republican party and the nra.

Yes become a nra member and become a gun obsessed idiot.

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
91. Update
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jun 2016
WMFZ.com:...(The) police have confirmed that at least two of the suspects are from the Lehigh Valley...John Cramsey and Dean Smith...(A) woman -- Kimberly Arendt-- was also reportedly taken into custody...

In a Facebook post earlier today...a man named John Cramsey -- who identifies himself as the senior operator of Higher Ground-- talks about taking a road trip to new york to "extract" a 16- year-old girl...Two other people -- a male and female -- continued the thread with the woman saying "Let's roll." Cramsey asks the man if he wanted to "start filming a little early" the man says "okay by me"...Cramsey says the girl is in New York staying with someone who overdosed.

An employee at Higher Ground tells WABC that John has been on a mission to fight drug addiction ever since his daughter overdosed last year...We then asked if they were missing any ammunition or weapons. The clerk told us the business was compliant with their license and they don't know of anything missing at this time. According to the Port Authority. the 16-year-old girl has been located, and told them she doesn't need to be rescued.

Heavy.com: John Cramsey made it his mission to save addicts after his daughter, Alexandria, died of a heroin overdose in February, starting a group called Enough Is Enough.




Cramsey has posted on Facebook about similar rescues in the past. He wrote about one on June 9:

I have a young lady in her early 20’s that skipped out of a Court Ordered Rehab in East Stroudsburg and found her way back to Allentown with another young lady from Philadelphia. These girls were literally taken out of the Super 8 Motel...in Allentown...

(One) young lady is currently back out on the streets after getting out in the middle of the night and the Mother believes that she is right back at the same hotel again. I am gearing up and going over there to get this girl out of the grasp of the demons that hold her, but this place is infested with the Demons that sell this crap and trap our kids Souls forever. I Plan on making a statement here, people.

This is NOT Acceptable on my watch. Not with my kids. Not in my Town. Not anymore….

Say it Loud, Say it PROUD! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !


So if his windshield hadn't been cracked and a magazine hadn't been within plain view, Cramsey and Co. would have succeeded in their little mission? Now he's probably sitting in jail wondering why everyone's making a federal case out of it. Well, transporting loaded, improperly stored, and banned weapons across state lines (and probably without permits) IS a Federal case!


rocktivity
 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
98. Many morals to this story:
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:11 AM
Jun 2016

"If you're going to perform a daring rescue, get your damned vehicle up to code first" comes to mind, for one.

-app

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
100. The Latest: Lawyers Will Seek to Have Gun Evidence Tossed
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

Source: Associated Press

The Latest: Lawyers Will Seek to Have Gun Evidence Tossed

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS JERSEY CITY, N.J. — Jun 22, 2016, 1:41 PM ET

The Latest on three people arrested with a cache of guns at the Holland Tunnel (all times local):

1:30 p.m.

Attorneys for three Pennsylvania residents facing numerous charges after weapons were found inside a van stopped outside New York City say they will seek to have the evidence thrown out.

The attorneys for John Cramsey, of Zionsville, 53-year-old Dean Smith, of Whitehall, and 29-year-old Kimberly Arendt, of Lehighton, argued Wednesday the search that uncovered the weapons Tuesday in New Jersey was illegal.

The three pleaded not guilty. A Hudson County judge declined to give them the option of paying 10 percent of their $75,000 cash bail.

A law enforcement official told The Associated Press one of the people said they were headed to Brooklyn on Tuesday to "rescue" a teenage girl. The official wasn't authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-arrested-tunnel-set-court-appearances-40043203

rocktivity

(44,555 posts)
106. The search was not illegal
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

If it's true that evidence of an illegal weapon was in plain view.


rocktivity

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
108. Bail Reduced for 2 Arrested at Holland Tunnel With Weapons
Fri Sep 30, 2016, 04:37 PM
Sep 2016

Source: Associated Press

Bail Reduced for 2 Arrested at Holland Tunnel With Weapons

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS JERSEY CITY, N.J. — Sep 30, 2016, 4:04 PM ET

A New Jersey judge has reduced bail for two Pennsylvania residents who were arrested in June with another man for trying to drive into New York City with a cache of weapons.

Dean Smith and Kimberly Arendt had been jailed on $75,000 cash bail. The judge on Friday reduced their bail to $25,000 cash, with the option of posting 10 percent.

Both families are working to post bond.

The co-defendants and another Pennsylvania resident, John Cramsey, were detained as they prepared to enter the Holland Tunnel.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bail-reduced-arrested-holland-tunnel-weapons-42483547

Eugene

(61,592 posts)
109. Trio pleads not guilty in New Jersey gun transport case
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:52 PM
Oct 2016

Source: Reuters

U.S. | Mon Oct 31, 2016 | 4:29pm EDT

Trio pleads not guilty in New Jersey gun transport case

By Laila Kearney | NEW YORK

Three Pennsylvania residents pleaded not guilty on Monday to charges of attempting to drive an SUV loaded with weapons through a tunnel under the Hudson River into New York, a city with some of the strictest gun restrictions in the United States.

Police stopped the vehicle in which John Cramsey, Dean Smith, and Kimberly Arendt were traveling outside the Holland Tunnel in Jersey City, New Jersey, in June. The tunnel is a major thoroughfare into lower Manhattan. The SUV was covered with stickers and signs supporting the right to bear arms.

The trio entered the pleas to 63 gun-related charges, including possession of handguns without proper permits and possession of drug paraphernalia, in a state court in Jersey City.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-crime-idUSKBN12V2CQ
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