Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:35 AM
dipsydoodle (32,622 posts)
Assad may be offered clemency by Britain and US if he joins peace talks
Source: Guardian
Britain and America are willing to offer the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, safe passage – and even clemency – as part of a diplomatic push to convene a UN-sponsored conference in Geneva on political transition in Syria. The initiative comes after David Cameron and Barack Obama received encouragement from Russia's President Vladimir Putin in separate bilateral talks at the G20 in Mexico. A senior British official said: "Those of us who had bilaterals thought there was just enough out of those meetings to make it worth pursuing the objective of negotiating a transitional process in Syria." With daily reports of civilian deaths and the conflict apparently taking on an increasingly sectarian hue, Britain is willing to discuss giving clemency to Assad if it would allow a transitional conference to be launched. He could even be offered safe passage to attend the conference. Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/21/assad-clemency-syria-peace-talks
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| dipsydoodle | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Alamuti Lotus | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| Posteritatis | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| Alamuti Lotus | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| Posteritatis | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| Alamuti Lotus | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| solarman350 | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| disndat | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| randome | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| clang1 | Jun 2012 | #10 |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:42 AM
clang1 (884 posts)
1. Already a thread on this fyi
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:49 AM
Alamuti Lotus (2,679 posts)
2. Assad's government has a long time before even APPROACHING US/UK body counts.. in Iraq or anywhere
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too fucking obscene that the butchers of Fallujah act like the moral compass on such matters! Whoever gave these fools the idea that they are in charge of the world needs to be shot into the center of the sun--or just shot.
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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #2)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:54 AM
clang1 (884 posts)
3. Assad deserves his day in court at The Hague n/t
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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #2)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:50 PM
Posteritatis (17,280 posts)
11. Because it's a competition, right? (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #11)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:59 PM
Alamuti Lotus (2,679 posts)
12. If I have six severed fingers hanging out of my mouth, and I tell you that eating a finger is bad..
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how credible is my statement?
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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #12)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:08 PM
Posteritatis (17,280 posts)
13. Much as people think otherwise, hypocrisy does not make true things false. (nt)
Response to Posteritatis (Reply #13)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:32 PM
Alamuti Lotus (2,679 posts)
14. It does greatly discredit the accuser, however
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And it should raise serious questions about the apparent lack of ramifications towards expontentially worse behavior on their part.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:24 AM
solarman350 (136 posts)
4. Clemency...Refuge...Safe Passage?
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Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:39 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Would this be Aristide, Noriega, or Marcos-style "safe passage?"
(Partial) Past US Dictator Buddies Many of the world's most repressive dictators have been friends of America. Tyrants, torturers, killers, and sundry dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests. Traditional dictators seize control through force, while constitutional dictators hold office through voting fraud or severely restricted elections, and are frequently puppets and apologists for the military juntas which control the ballot boxes. In any case, none have been democratically elected by the majority of their people in fair and open elections. They are democratic America's undemocratic allies. They may rise to power through bloody ClA-backed coups and rule by terror and torture. Their troops may receive training or advice from the CIA and other US agencies. US military aid and weapons sales often strengthen their armies and guarantee their hold on power. Unwavering "anti-communism" and a willingness to provide unhampered access for American business interests to exploit their countries' natural resources and cheap labor are the excuses for their repression, and the primary reason the US government supports them. They may be linked internationalIy to extreme right-wing groups such as the World Anti-Communist League, and some have had strong Nazi affiliations and have offered sanctuary to WWll Nazi war criminals. They usually grow rich, while their countries' economies deteriorate and the majority of their people live in poverty. US tax dollars and US-backed loans have made billionaires of some, while others are international drug dealers who also collect CIA paychecks. Rarely are they called to account for their crimes. And rarely still, is the US government held responsible for supporting and protecting some of the worst human rights violators in the world. Abacha, General Sani ------------Nigeria Amin, Idi -----------------------Uganda Banzer, Colonel Hugo--------Bolivia Batista, Fulgencio ---------Cuba Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal --------------------Brunei Botha, P.W. -------------------South Africa Branco, General Humberto -------------Brazil Cedras, Raoul ------------------Haiti Cerezo, Vinicio -------------------Guatemala Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------Taiwan Cordova, Roberto Suazo-----------Honduras Christiani, Alfredo ------------------El Salvador Diem, Ngo Dihn -------------Vietnam Doe, General Samuel ----------Liberia Duvalier, Francois ----------Haiti Duvalier, Jean Claude-------------Haiti Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ------Saudi Arabia Franco, General Francisco --------Spain Hassan II-----------------Morocco Hussein, Saddam----Iraq (Supported by Raygunz junta-1980-1988) Marcos, Ferdinand---------------Philippines Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador Mobutu, Sese Seko ------Zaire Musharraf, Pervez--Pakistan Noriega, General Manuel-----Panama Ozal, Turgut ------------Turkey Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza -----Iran Papadopoulos, George------Greece Park Chung Hee -------South Korea Pinochet, General Augusto -----------Chile Pol Pot--------------------------Cambodia Rabuka, General Sitiveni -----------Fiji Montt, General Efrain Rios--------Guatemala Salassie, Halie -----Ethiopia Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira ----Portugal Somoza, Anastasio Jr. ------Nicaragua Somoza, Anastasio, Sr.---------Nicaragua Smith, Ian ----------Rhodesia Stroessner, Alfredo --------Paraguay Suharto, General --------Indonesia Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas ----Dominican Republic Videla, General Jorge Rafael ---Argentina Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed -----Pakistan http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/WorldMap.html |
Response to solarman350 (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:43 AM
clang1 (884 posts)
6. re: Clemency...Refuge...Safe Passage?
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Response to solarman350 (Reply #4)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:56 AM
disndat (1,372 posts)
7. Arab Spring
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High tech, social networking, even the event of a Obama WH, are moving the globe forward.
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Response to disndat (Reply #7)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:45 AM
clang1 (884 posts)
8. We need our own American Spring n/t
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and OWS ain't cutting it.
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Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:31 AM
clang1 (884 posts)
5. re: Assad may be offered clemency by Britain and US if he joins peace talks
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Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:16 AM USA/ET - Edit history (10) Clemency where? They gonna let that pig into the US? No. No. No. That will NEVER happen. Let him go to UK where ICC can pick him up for his genocidal actions. Let's hope his remaining days in Syria are very short ones. Maybe he will go to Russia but even the Russians are getting tired of him (just not tired enough yet it would seem, it will come. Re: Obama gets harsh answer from Putin on Assad ouster
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=52930 and Assad in bind as ally Russia unscrews tieshttp://www.indianexpress.com/news/assad-in-bind-as-ally-russia-unscrews-ties/955012/ ). EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION IN THE EUROPEAN UNION http://fidh.org/IMG/pdf/Extraterritorial_Jurisdiction_In_the_27_Member_States_of_the_European_Union_FINAL.pdf Q&A: International Criminal Court http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-11809908 Rome Statute http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/english/rome_statute(e).pdf Heh I could just Imagine something like that happening(someone like Assad coming to america and clemency), and why is that shithole in Cuba called Gitmo still open? Nothing our government does really surprises me anymore. Expect anything is what I have come to learn and expect the worse. |
Response to dipsydoodle (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:59 AM
randome (12,660 posts)

