Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:38 PM
Galraedia (2,588 posts)
Ron Paul Admits He's On Social Security, Even Though He Believes It's Unconstitutional
Source: Huffington Post
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) may rail against Social Security insolvency in the public eye, but that hasn't stopped him from accepting the government checks. The libertarian-leaning Republican and former presidential candidate admitted Wednesday that he accepts Social Security checks just minutes after he called for younger generations to wean themselves off the program, in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "I want young people to opt out of Social Security, but my goal isn't to cut," he said. The Huffington Post's Sam Stein then asked Paul, "A bit of a personal question -- Are you on Social Security? Do you get social security checks?" Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/ron-paul-social-security_n_1612117.html
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| Galraedia | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| hrmjustin | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Lawlbringer | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| INdemo | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| freshwest | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
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| thesquanderer | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:42 PM
hrmjustin (9,179 posts)
1. guess he is not the good guy we thought. n/t
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:45 PM
Lawlbringer (519 posts)
3. Yes, his hypocrisy is the shocker of all shockers.
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Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:57 PM
INdemo (3,160 posts)
11. Did you also know that
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Paul Ryan's college education was paid for with Social Security benefits?...His dad died at the age of 55 and his then 16 yr son collected benefits through high school and college...But yet he now, like Ron Paul wants to destroy it...
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Response to INdemo (Reply #11)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:10 PM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
27. Yep. Part of the 'Be sure to take that ladder up with you when you get there!' brigade.
Response to Lawlbringer (Reply #3)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:03 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
51. how shocking repugs are hypocrites...and liars
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:56 PM
MADem (86,125 posts)
10. "We?" You got a squirrel in your pocket?
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Everyone I know thinks he is a racist, anti-choice dumbass. Now we know he's a hypocrite, too.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:44 PM
mbperrin (6,790 posts)
2. Say one thing, do another.
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He's a Republican, all right.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:46 PM
CaliforniaPeggy (103,999 posts)
5. A hypocrite! What a surprise........NOT. n/t
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:51 PM
a kennedy (7,035 posts)
6. Just add him to all those other hypocrites.....
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Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:52 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) ugh. and the "I've got mine" mantra..... edit to add this.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:51 PM
jtuck004 (5,100 posts)
7. LOL. Liar. Even YOU don't believe the crap you are trying to foist on others. n/t
Response to jtuck004 (Reply #7)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:35 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
43. Hahahaha...
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Good point.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:52 PM
DaveJ (4,934 posts)
8. It's irrelevant, since he got his.
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He falls in like perfectly with Repuke's. He's got his SS, and it doesn't matter if anyone after him gets theirs.
Sames applies to a multitude of Repukes who collect government pensions. They got theirs, now screw everyone else. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:55 PM
MADem (86,125 posts)
9. Fucking loser-hypocrite! You'd think he'd have the courage of his shitty little convictions...
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But NOOOOOOOOO!!!! He's a wrinkled old Greed Is Good Gordon Gecko at the end of the day, isn't he?
"Do as I say, not as I do!" TYPICAL REPUBLICAN! |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:59 PM
Worried senior (544 posts)
12. Bet his SS is pocket change
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ours is what we try to have enough of every month.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:59 PM
thesquanderer (1,110 posts)
13. I bet many of us take tax deductions that we think should be eliminated.
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I don't see this as hypocrisy. If you're paying into a system that you think is messed up to begin with, there's nothing wrong with trying to make the best of it.
I think there should probably be no mortgage interest deduction... but I darn well take it. If someone doesn't think Social Security should exist, but they have paid into it for 50 years, I would sure expect them to want to get the benefit that they were forced to pay for. |
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:08 PM
Dokkie (1,688 posts)
18. Yea, dont see any hypocrisy myself
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Is a pacifist who was drafted into the US army refuse his military benefits or GI bill? Yea, he was and still against the war but the pacifist is not a hypocrite for collecting on such benefits even as he is protesting an end to the war. Also consider that he is still paying SS insurance on his millions of dollars made from selling his many books and investments, its OK if he collected SS
Remember folks, SS is just a public retirement fund not an entitlement. |
Response to Dokkie (Reply #18)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:04 PM
valerief (35,681 posts)
26. SS IS an entitlement. The word entitlement was even used in the language when it was first
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implemented.
It's an entitlement we're entitled to. Period. End of story. |
Response to valerief (Reply #26)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:43 PM
Dokkie (1,688 posts)
34. Its a govt run insurance
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That what it has evolved to be since it was passed. Now he was and still is mandated by the US govt to pay into said SS insurance for at least 40+(and counting) years now. Its not like he had a choice in the 1st place.
But then again look at it from an angle of someone who hates the govt and want to shrink it, why leave some of his own money to the govt? it actually works against his goals if he did not collect it. I sometimes troll libertarian forums and every once in a while someone comes up with the idea of killing the by trying to get libertarians to en mass apply for all sorts of govt program with the end goal of draining their resources and causing it to fail. This move is right up their play book |
Response to Dokkie (Reply #34)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:55 PM
valerief (35,681 posts)
37. Read the language used when it was implemented. It was a law. nt
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Response to valerief (Reply #37)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:11 PM
brendan120678 (2,412 posts)
93. Entitlement is the language they used, but...
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WHY is it an entitlement? If we are entitled to that money, why take it from the workers in the first place?
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Response to brendan120678 (Reply #93)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:47 PM
newspeak (4,847 posts)
107. well, he probably doesn't want to take it from citizens, just wants his friends
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on WS to have it. More play money for the big boys. And he's one of those "let the corporations police themselves" kind of guy. I'm sure they could probably screw every senior out of their money in a couple of years.
Ayn Rand on medicare, he gets SS, Heck's wife took unemployment money. I mean if they really believed in their ideology, wouldn't they refuse the help? After all, those useless feeders should just die, right Paul? My MIL, aunts, all depend on SS. They apparently must deserve it, it's just the plebes that need to find a way to exist or die. |
Response to Dokkie (Reply #18)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:37 AM
sarge43 (17,469 posts)
72. Is this pacifist campaigning to eliminate the GI bill for all other service personnel? n/t
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I
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:43 PM
frylock (19,050 posts)
19. that dawg don't hunt..
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he's just another loud mouth hypocrite. if he believed the shit he was saying, he'd walk the walk.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
NYC Liberal (15,600 posts)
22. Yes but he's telling other people to "opt out"
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If he wants other people to do it, he should too.
If I tell you "Hey, x, y, and z tax deductions are bad, you should choose not to take them" and then I myself take them, that's hypocritical. |
Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #22)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:14 PM
thesquanderer (1,110 posts)
56. No, he's not telling other people to opt out.
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He's proposing a system where people can opt out--of BOTH sides (paying in and collecting)--but he is not suggesting that anyone who is entitled to soc sec refuse to take it. At least not in anything I've seen.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #56)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:21 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
61. Ugh.
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Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:35 PM USA/ET - Edit history (3) Opt out? Urrrggghhh. That is a ploy to save COMPANIES from not contributing to employees, because they both pay into Social Security. If anybody thinks they'll do better with their own pension, I urge you to watch the stock market and those disappearing employer contributions to 401Ks.
He wants to allow you to opt out for the same reason employers got rid of defined benefit pension plans. It benefits employers, not employees. Anybody remember when 401Ks came out? Companies promised they'd contribute to your pension and you'd do better than defined benefit pension plans. Guess what? They reneged on that. |
Response to freshstart (Reply #61)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 04:43 PM
thesquanderer (1,110 posts)
92. I agree. Opting out is a terrible idea.
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To be clear: I am NOT endorsing RP's position. I was just saying that he never (AFAIK) suggested that people voluntarily refuse SS payments they are eligible for, nor do I feel it is hypocritical for him to take the SS payments he is eligible for, having paid into the system for 50 years, even if he was philosophically against paying into that system.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:47 PM
freedom fighter jh (889 posts)
23. Agree.
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Just what you said, but I can't resist another metaphor.
If you're at student living on campus in a dorm you may feel you could eat better with a microwave oven and a refrigerator in your room than you can eat in the cafeteria. But if the rules force you to be on a meal plan, and your parents have paid for it, of course you're going to eat in the cafeteria. You could take part in student protests against meal plan rules, but eating the food you (or your parents) have paid for would not make you a hypocrite. I've got plenty of problems with Ron Paul, but his collecting social security is not one of them. |
Response to freedom fighter jh (Reply #23)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:33 PM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
40. wait..what??
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to elaborate on your metaphor, the reason why these hypothetical on-campus students would have to pay for a meal plan is because the university's cost to provide dining is equally spread out among all the on-campus students, whether they take advantage of it or not...
If said student preferred eating on his or her own and skipping the caf entirely, that's their business, but it's a waste of money...and YES, a student with the stones to protest meal plan fees that mommy and daddy pay for (not to mention the extra $$$$ they send junior every week so he can order Dominoes) is the height of hypocrisy |
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #40)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:05 PM
freedom fighter jh (889 posts)
48. How is that hypocrisy?
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From Merriam-Webster's on-line dictionary: "hypocrisy: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion."
Where's the feigning? Maybe Junior just wants to save some bucks for Mom and Dad, who are contributing to tuition that Junior could never afford him/herself. Where's the hypocrisy? Or maybe I should just admit that The Squaderer had a better metaphor and leave it at that. |
Response to freedom fighter jh (Reply #48)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:38 AM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
77. The hypocrisy comes from pretending to want to save
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Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:42 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) mom and dad money on one end (in the name of fiscal responsibility), without junior realizing he's costing them double by always eating out...
I don't need the M-W cut-and-paste, but thanks anyways... The point is still that a jaggoff like Paul has no right to say how evil these programs are while he benefits on the sly... |
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #77)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:46 PM
freedom fighter jh (889 posts)
91. I don't see the sly. He was asked and he answered.
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He doesn't like a program that takes his money, sits on it for years, and then pays it back. How does that mean there's anything wrong with taking it back?
Not trying to say I agree with him on Social Security. I just don't see the hypocrisy. I don't see any falseness or pretense. |
Response to freedom fighter jh (Reply #91)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:47 AM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
102. When I say 'on the sly', I mean
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how many times did he ever mention it in all those thousands of speeches to the various "Abolish all government programs" groups?? How many times has he parroted the "SS is a ponzi scheme" myth?
And of course Paul isn't going to like a program that takes his money, sits on it for years, and then pays it back (nevermind the fact that SS only takes from his on-the-books money, which is maybe 10 percent of his total income), because it's not like he's worried about a comfortable retirement since he hasn't had to put in a real day's work in his 30+ years in the house...And the only reason Paul even gives a shit is because it's "his" tax money -- If he was somehow exempt from paying it, he'd think it was the greatest thing in the world and STILL collect at the end of the day... |
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:21 PM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
38. The point flew way over your head
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This is Ron fuckin' "ALL BIG GUMMITT IS EVUL!" Paul...The hardliner's hardliner...The proverbial libertarian who'd let his house burn down before calling the fire department...
If he gets to collect, motherfuck him for trying to close the window for the rest of us... |
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #38)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:28 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
42. That is it blue_tires.
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They want...but want to block the rest of us.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #13)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:49 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
45. Urrrggghhh.
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Would you do the same while trying to convince others that it is a ponzie scheme if you understood how Social Security works?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:03 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
14. He wants young people to opt out...
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Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:12 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) because he's a corporate stooge. He knows that the employer contributes under SS....and under private plans...what forces them to do so? We all know what happened to those matching contributions to employee's 401K plans from their employers....they've been reduced..or are non-existent now.
This is from Ron Paul's Freeman website. He's pushing via Doug Bandow, the Cato idiot that was writing op-eds favorable to Casino Jack Abramoff for cash that was on Ron Paul's campaign...that Social Security is a ponzi scheme. http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/uncle-sams-retirement-scam/ Hypocrite isn't quite strong enough for me Doug Bandow Policy advisor to Ron Paul: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?108392-Ron-Paul-Campaign-Announces-Addition-of-New-Policy-Advisors Scroll down to see the article, Bandow writes articles for Jack Abramoff for cash. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2005/nf20051216_1037_db016.htm |
Response to freshstart (Reply #14)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:14 PM
freshwest (31,524 posts)
28. Thank you for adding those links to this thread.
Response to freshwest (Reply #28)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:26 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
41. You're welcome Freshwest.
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I've done tons of research on the phony Ron Paul and what I know about him makes me sick. I'm happy to share
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Response to freshstart (Reply #14)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:54 PM
newspeak (4,847 posts)
108. yeah, think enron, think world com
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hell, my FIL lost most of his company investments in allegheny airline. Oh, look it's all your fault for investing in the wrong deregulated corporation. Who knew they were blatant crooks. No guaranteed SS, be prepared for the wolves to feast on the elderly.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
ProfessionalLeftist (4,982 posts)
15. Can't walk his talk...why doesn't he return the checks?
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Since he considers it "slavery"?
Pfft. |
Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #15)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:07 PM
enough (6,921 posts)
17. It's not slavery if you take it while still receiving a salary as a US congressperson.
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It's only slavery if you take it while you need it.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
onehandle (35,489 posts)
16. FAKE LIBERTARIAN.
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His sheep-ass worshipers are total morons.
But they're 'Libertarians,' so that goes without saying, except I did. |
Response to onehandle (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:45 PM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)
20. Are there any libertarians who are not?
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I've never met one.
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Response to onehandle (Reply #16)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:51 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,512 posts)
46. Libertarians are nothing...
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But republicans who want to smoke pot and get laid
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #46)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:44 PM
calimary (30,613 posts)
58. GOOD one!
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And they don't want to go to war.
But the policies they love would gladly make it so that the rest of us would have to. I always thought libertarians were simply republi-CONS too ashamed to admit their party affiliations in public. |
Response to calimary (Reply #58)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:47 PM
awoke_in_2003 (18,512 posts)
59. I stole it from somewhere ...
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Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:47 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I forgot about the war thing. Besides pot and war, they want exactly what the pukes want.
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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #59)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:03 AM
calimary (30,613 posts)
64. Exactly. I remember in 2008 when so many of my son's mates in high school
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especially in the senior class where they were 18 or turning 18, were all enthralled by ron paul because he was against war and pro pot. I told him he should tell his friends there's a LOT more to him than that, and most of it extremely icky, not to mention ridiculously unrealistic and unworkable.
Libertarians don't realize that what they're really yowling and whining for is Somalia. No government. No public works. No laws or regulations. A few rich and powerful warlords control everything. Pirates running amok all over the place. Millions of poor, starving, sick, displaced, homeless. Millions of refugees - THEIR 99%. Total anarchy. And all the fucking guns you can eat, everywhere you look. Sounds like the America they all dream about. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:45 PM
avebury (2,940 posts)
21. In other words, he doesn't practice what he preaches! nt
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:51 PM
Zoeisright (7,849 posts)
24. Just another hypocritical repuke.
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But I repeat myself.
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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #24)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
L0oniX (17,360 posts)
31. "There once was a congressman and there was an idiot, but then I repeat myself" - Samuel Clemens
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:00 PM
Swede Atlanta (2,246 posts)
25. Wait a minute.........
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So are we saying that he gets to collect Social Security plus a bloated pension as a Congresscritter? Talk about milking the public cow dry.
I'm sure he would argue that someone who worked for a corporation for x years and was collecting a pension and was also collecting a pension from service in Congress is the same as him. The problem with that is his pension from Congress is extremely generous. |
Response to Swede Atlanta (Reply #25)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:53 PM
Dokkie (1,688 posts)
36. Again, there are 1000s
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of reasons not to like Ron Paul(just look at his domestic policy - war on drugs) but you don't have to resort to making things up. He doesn't participate the congressional pension and that is one of his stump speech on the campaign trail (that's when hes not talking about monetary policy)
Quote from Wikipedia Long time congressman Ron Paul has always refused to participate in the congressional pension system, labeling it "immoral". North Carolina congressman Howard Coble does not participate in the pension system, either. He campaigned against the system in his first campaign in 1984. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:24 PM
L0oniX (17,360 posts)
30. Someone needs to ask Rmoney if he and his wife will be taking SS too.
Response to L0oniX (Reply #30)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:05 PM
wordpix (12,478 posts)
52. very good question for the debate mod to ask except he's not old enough, is he?
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Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:05 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) You can start at 62, no earlier.
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Response to wordpix (Reply #52)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:12 AM
freshstart (265 posts)
65. Lol...he's plenty old enough
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to collect SS. He was born in 1935.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:26 PM
They_Live (814 posts)
32. hey. where are all the HuffPost Critics now?
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Ron Paul. heh. Shut up. Hypocrite.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:37 PM
OnlinePoker (1,225 posts)
33. Ayn Rand did the same.
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When push comes to shove, Libertarians will take "their" money the same as the next guy. The hypocrisy is sickening.
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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #33)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:38 PM
freshstart (265 posts)
44. Bingo
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bingo..You've got it
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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #33)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:25 AM
AynRandCollectedSS (108 posts)
70. Yes!
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Pissed me off so much I made a whole FB page dedicated to it!
We get several people a week yapping about how it wasn't hypocritical because she paid into it. Total BS. She didn't take it until she HAD to and also let Mediciad pay for her lung Cancer surgery. She smoked 2 packs a day, was a speed freak and when the hag got sick she let the government bail her out. Ayn was a moocher AND a total failure as a philosopher because her own life thoroughly disproved her theories. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 05:46 PM
truthisfreedom (17,678 posts)
35. Meh. This is a non-issue. He's far worse in other ways.
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He pays more in SS than he gets in checks, per month. Why are we wasting our time on this?
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #35)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:19 AM
freshstart (265 posts)
67. He is far worse...however,
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please explain how he pays more than he gets.
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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #35)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:19 AM
Heywood J (2,219 posts)
75. Doesn't everyone?
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Isn't that how SSDI is covered?
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Response to Heywood J (Reply #75)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:11 AM
Bluenorthwest (24,186 posts)
82. Absolutely not. SSI is NOT funded throught Social Security it is funded from General Tax
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Revenues. Good gravy, this is basic stuff.
http://www.ssa.gov/ssi/ |
Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #35)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:45 AM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
78. I don't care; hit him from every angle possible
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Besides, the GOP is STILL getting daily mileage out of hammering Obama's "non-issues" 5 years after the fact...
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:21 PM
Tikki (9,613 posts)
39. Can we have a National Day where we dialog about the crippling effects of Hypocrisy?
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Maybe churches talk about hypocrisy without quoting the bible. Schools speak on it.
Government takes a No Hypocrisy pledge. Something....Anything. Tikki |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:01 PM
just1voice (1,362 posts)
47. That's why the (R) is next to his name, he's a lying hypocritical propaganda whore
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They are vile humans. He knows 70% of Americans retire with $30,000 or less and yet he thinks they deserve no form of retirement income other than what a corrupted, "deregulated" system would somehow not steal from them.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:42 PM
SkyDaddy7 (4,572 posts)
49. Ron paul is a...
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JOKE! Most of his supporters are extremely ignorant to who Ron Paul is, to his past & to the many personal connections he has to Neo-Confederates & Neo-Nazis!
The man wants to return to the days when states were not bound to comply with the Bill of Rights...And his utterly ignorant fans either refuse to accept this fact or try to say we would have more individual freedoms if states were allowed to discriminate anyway they choose! Ron Paul is a JOKE...And he is only a joke right now because he lacks the supporters to give him any power otherwise he would be a massive threat to anyone not white, male & Christian! |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:00 PM
The Jungle 1 (59 posts)
50. Typical
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How many folks on Medicare were screaming that the healthcare bill was socialism.
Is corporate welfare socialism? |
Response to The Jungle 1 (Reply #50)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:26 PM
Arugula Latte (40,188 posts)
54. Hi Jungle
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Welcome to DU!
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:19 PM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)
53. Ayn Rand would be proud
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:57 PM
arcane1 (19,981 posts)
55. He collects SS even though he has a great-paying job???
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I didn't even know that was possible... I always associated Social Security with people who really need it; I had no idea you could earn six figures and still get a check! And those are six tax-funded figures that already include lifetime healthcare!!
He doesn't even need that money, but he takes it anyway. That's more slimy than the hypocrisy itself! |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:39 PM
lovuian (18,380 posts)
57. Hypocrite
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that really is what he is
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Response to lovuian (Reply #57)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:43 PM
tawadi (1,994 posts)
63. You beat me to it. eom
Response to tawadi (Reply #63)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:14 AM
freshstart (265 posts)
66. If you said lying hypocrite,
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I would have said I second that
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:54 PM
progressoid (27,335 posts)
60. AND he's a MILLIONAIRE.
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Ron Paul is worth up to $5.2 million
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/05/ron-paul-net-worth-gold-/1#.T-KL9PV618E |
Response to progressoid (Reply #60)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:34 AM
freshstart (265 posts)
69. His wealth is in precious metals and mines.
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Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:39 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/candlook.php?CID=N00005906
Nelson Bunker Hunt has been tied to Ron Paul for years. And, this is a guy who manipulated the silver market with the help of none other than the Federal Reserve. I surely wouldn't be following Ron Paul's advice to buy precious metals. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TbRPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=LgYEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3711,3390612&dq=nelson+bunker+hunt+federal+reserve&hl=en |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jimbo S (1,891 posts)
62. I don't find it necessarily hypocritical
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He paid into it, so may as well receive the benefits he earned.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:30 AM
elleng (40,548 posts)
68. He is not RETIRED, he is not ENTITLED, SS is for retirees.
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Response to elleng (Reply #68)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:02 AM
harun (9,743 posts)
81. This surprised me as well. He is making over a 100K a year and actively employed. I didn't think it
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it would kick in under that scenario.
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Response to elleng (Reply #68)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:57 AM
JustABozoOnThisBus (9,918 posts)
83. As long as he's "full retirement" age, he's entitled
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He's over 65.
For me, the full retirement age is 66. For you youngsters (and get off my lawn!), the age is 67 or maybe more. But once you are at full retirement age, your SS benefit is not reduced by outside income, if I understand this stuff correctly. I guess I better find out before I turn 66. Anyway, Ron Paul is entitled to all the benefits of big government: Social security, good Congress-person health insurance, Congressional retirement pay. So taxpayers support him while he talks the libertarian talk. |
Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #83)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:31 PM
elleng (40,548 posts)
85. Thanks, Bozo!
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Methinks the rules should change: Even if at the age, if gainfully employed (receiving more than SS benefit,) SS should NOT pay.
P.S., I'm at full retirement age, and received SS before FULL age because I needed it. THANK YOU, Feds! |
Response to elleng (Reply #68)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:54 PM
mysuzuki2 (2,885 posts)
88. If you are over full retirement age, 65 for RP,
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there is no limit on earnings while collecting SS.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:22 AM
sendero (25,000 posts)
71. A man of principle.
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... like most libertarians.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 07:45 AM
SHRED (10,122 posts)
73. No courage of his convictions
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What a weasel.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:07 AM
greiner3 (3,964 posts)
74. A quick Google;
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Brings up various amounts Ron Paul is listed re; net worth;
3 Million 4.9 Million His 3,000/month check is certainly going to help him pay rent/food and incidentals! |
Response to greiner3 (Reply #74)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:46 AM
UglyGreed (28 posts)
79. Ron Paul bought
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a six million dollar mansion after his 2008 run for POTUS how can his net worth be only 4.9 million? I'm not a millionaire so am I missing something? Did the Campaign For Liberty buy it?
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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #79)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:23 AM
Skinner (57,381 posts)
80. I think most people own houses that are worth more than their entire net worth.
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You get a mortgage. The bank puts up the money for the house and you have thirty years to pay for it.
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Response to Skinner (Reply #80)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:13 AM
UglyGreed (28 posts)
84. Thanks for the reply
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I thought net worth would include properties you may own but I could be wrong. I must add what bank would give a 76 year old man a thirty year mortgage? I have look into how he bought the home.
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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #84)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:27 AM
Art_from_Ark (16,921 posts)
99. Net worth = value of all assets minus outstanding debts
Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #99)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:43 AM
UglyGreed (28 posts)
105. Ok got it
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Thanks. So if he did not buy the mansion his net worth would close to nine or ten million..... if he borrowed the whole six million of course. I've heard that he made over twenty million on his Newsletters that he disavowed.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 08:38 AM
marble falls (1,910 posts)
76. Another naked emporor.
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:34 PM
The Jungle 1 (59 posts)
86. Means test
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We are broke remember. There is no reason my money should be paid out to the wealthy. Means test for SS and Medicare.
Bottom line is you don't always get a return on your tax dollars. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 12:51 PM
Fire Walk With Me (37,070 posts)
87. The man is
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:35 PM
ZombieHorde (23,858 posts)
89. Since he was forced to pay for it, I don't think accepting it is hypocritical.
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His opinion is not that people should pay and then not receive benefits, his opinion is the program should be cut.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
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Response to Pessimistic Idealist (Reply #90)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:00 AM
Tsiyu (15,455 posts)
101. The outrage makes sense to me
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If he really wants to be Billy the Libertarian Badass, why not live according to his principles? He doesn't want health inspectors paid for by the US Government making sure his beef doesn't have maggots in it? He hires his own fucking inspector. He wants to use the highways for free? Get a helicopter or a cowpony and stay off the roads the rest of us are happy to chip in to maintain. No grinding down our taxpayer funded asphalt with any company trucks, tour busses or fancy shmancy RVs. Don't want the government to pay for essential infrastructure? Stay off bridges, sidewalks, don't use the crapper and watch out for that courthouse ceiling about to fall on your dumbass head. Oh, wait. Who needs courtrooms in Libertarian Fantasy Land? Government waste! Potential corruption! Let the Free Market - where there is never, ever, ever, ever, EVER any corruption or waste that actually HURTS anybody - let that benevolent, pure, practically divine Free Market handle everything! You want a place where you can shoot a kid dead just for going through the McDonald's bag that flitters out of your trash can? Where a human life isn't worth even as much as your lawnmower? Move to Fucking Somalia. Childish egocentric ignorance - calling itself "freedom and liberty" - is for losers. Free-for-all social Darwinism is destroying our economy and our communities. |
Response to Pessimistic Idealist (Reply #90)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:49 AM
Blue_Tires (31,753 posts)
103. Lew Rockwell? Seriously??
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Last edited Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:54 AM USA/ET - Edit history (3) Couldn't find a good link from Alex Jones? The Paul cultist forums are over there... |
Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #103)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:48 AM
UglyGreed (28 posts)
106. Lew
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Mr Christian Reconstructionist and anonymous racist Newsletter author and you don't trust him?
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:23 PM
SnakeEyes (1,179 posts)
94. He paid in. he should be able to get that back.
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Not hypocritical at all.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:17 PM
harmonicon (11,938 posts)
95. When did cheques become "checks"?
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I don't think the 1980's counts as distant past yet, and that's when i learned what cheques were, and how to spell the word. Somehow, recently, the world has become too stupid to have two spellings for words that are pronounced the same way. That's the main thing I bemoan from this story. Two-bit hypocrite congressman is a hypocrite? That's less important to me.
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Response to harmonicon (Reply #95)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:13 AM
Prometheus Bound (3,489 posts)
104. 'Check' is generally accepted as the American spelling; 'Cheque' is British.
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:37 PM
high density (13,383 posts)
96. So as a guy in my early 30s, I should pay SS so people Paul's age can collect their payments today
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but I should not expect that the 30-somethings who will be around in 2040 when I retire will be willing to do the same for me... Wonderful. If given the option I'd probably opt out, since the GOP is pushing that I should expect my return on these payments to be zero. Fox Nation thinks that is just great and is eager to elect these nuts to dismantle it all.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:59 PM
jade3000 (234 posts)
97. Are you SERIOUS?
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As New Yorkers like to say: are you fucking SERIOUS RIGHT NOW?
This man's career is built on principles, but when it comes to collecting money from the gov't he's ok with it?! Sad. |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
Jerry Frey (32 posts)
98. little old man little old hypocrite
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Ron Paul reminds me of some 30s character actor in black and white. The Libertarian Party’s presidential candidate in 1988 has dveloped a fervent cult following that perhaps has developed into a lasting movement.
http://napoleonlive.info/politics/ron-paul/ |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:31 AM
Tsiyu (15,455 posts)
100. I. Do. Not. Understand.
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There are too many people on government assistance who are about to cast a vote to essentially do away with their own financial security. Paul will be fine. But all the seniors and younger -than-seniors he has convinced to vote away Social Security will not be fine. Now I hear they have a rival to the AARP - a similar "conservative" group. So a bunch of old fools will sign up for their own poverty. Gladly. Because that'll show those liberals! I just don't get the stupidity. Surely the people on Social Security and Disability turn off their TVs and radios every now and again and THINK about it all, no? |
Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:33 PM
Ter (4,179 posts)
109. While working for over 60 years, he paid his dues to SS
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Why should he tell the government to keep it?
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Response to Ter (Reply #109)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:37 PM
Rex (34,650 posts)
111. Because it is a system he does not believe in and rails against?
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That should be a good reason.
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Response to Rex (Reply #111)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:11 PM
Ter (4,179 posts)
113. Yes, but not if he put in already
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If he didn't, then I would understand. But he did. It's his money.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:35 PM
Rex (34,650 posts)
110. Fuck Ron Paul.
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A total scumbag.
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Response to Galraedia (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:04 PM
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