Sanders hits Clinton Foundation over foreign donations

[laserhaas]

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Source: The Hill

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders criticized the Clinton Foundation for accepting donations from foreign governments in an interview aired Sunday, calling it a conflict of interest.

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Do I have a problem when a sitting secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collects many, many dollars from foreign governments — governments which are dictatorships?
"Yeah, I do have a problem with that. Yeah, I do," Sanders said on CNN's "State of the Union."

When host Jake Tapper asked if he thought it was a conflict of interest, Sanders said, "I do."


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282261-sanders-clinton-foundation-engaged-in-conflicts-of

[msongs]

1. not LBN nt

[laserhaas]

2. Yes it is..its today..by The Hill..of a statement made today

Thanks for being so concerned..about what's pooper

[Skittles]

4. pooper indeed

[onehandle]

3. No, it's ok. 'Latest Bernie News' has an expiration date.

Let them think this makes a 'difference.'

[TeamPooka]

5. I am sick of Hillary beinmg the only one paying for George W. Bush's sin.

There's a big difference in going along with a war when presented with false evidence and being the one who doctored up the evidence in the first place like Bush/Cheney.

[merrily]

27. She didn't read the NIE. She took the same position as the DLC and the Pragmatic Policy Institute.

That was no coincidence. No Democratic I know IRL believed Bush. If she did, then we have even bigger problems if she becomes President.

Either she wasn't duped by Bush or she was. Either way...

[laserhaas]

56. Actually...There's a Youtube of HRC condemning GWB emails

Vanishing...where Hillary says they're destroying the Constitution

[misterhighwasted]

6. Bern has his own BIG problem with the FEC & his taxes

Not to mention his Pope vaca on his campaign expense acct.
Bern ought to be sweeping his own front steps.
Crap is piling up!

[passiveporcupine]

14. Oh yeah

[Ned_Devine]

20. That's rich, isn't it?

[merrily]

28. When a government report comes out saying Bernie has problems with the FEC, I'll pay attention.

How much attention are you paying to government reports?

[Thinkingabout]

39. And he has a problem with foreign donations to his campaign, this does not

Follow the FEC Rules.

[misterhighwasted]

41. Could the FEC be "rigged" too?!!

Wait for it...

[Thinkingabout]

42. Must be, charities are restricted by the FEC, must be a double standard.

[displacedtexan]

7. Media Matters published the history of this rightwing smear last year.

The news this week came from a Wall Street Journal article reporting that once Hillary Clinton left her job as secretary of state, the Clinton Foundation lifted its ban on donations from foreign governments. The ban was reportedly first put in place at the request of the Obama administration, which wanted to alleviate any possible conflicts of interest with its new secretary of state. When Clinton became a private citizen again in 2013, the foundation once again accepted money from foreign governments.

"A spokesman for the Clinton Foundation said the charity has a need to raise money for its many projects," the Journal reported.

The Journal article stressed that some ethics experts thought it was bad form for the foundation to accept foreign donations because Hillary Clinton is expected to run for president. The following day, Republican partisans piled on, insisting Hillary herself had accepted "truckloads of cash from other countries." (She had not; the foundation had.) The Beltway press largely echoed the Republican spin and lampooned the foundation's move.

Did the original Journal article raise an interesting question? It did. If and when Hillary formally announces her candidacy, will the foundation have to revisit its position on accepting foreign government donations? It likely will. But the only way the story really worked as advertised this week was to casually conflate the Clinton Foundation, a remarkably successful global charity organization, with Hillary's looming campaign coffers, and to suggest everyone who's giving to the foundation is really giving to her presidential campaign.

In order to make that allegation stick, Jennifer Rubin at the Washington Post simply suggested there's no difference between a global charity and "a PAC or campaign entity." (That kind of changes everything.)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/02/20/the-clinton-foundation-is-a-global-charity-why/202587

[laserhaas]

8. Its not a smaer...its fact

That youll never admit..even if she pleads guilty

[creeksneakers2]

10. Its not fact

And Bernie should know better. Maybe he does and he just said it anyway.

[thereismore]

11. You don't have a Correct the Record link?

[merrily]

29. Media Matters last year = Brock last year. Not impressive.

[JDPriestly]

31. Due to the Foundation, Hillary has the appearance of a conflict of interest.

There is no denying that. It's a fact.

What is going on in her mind, that is, whether there is a conflict of interest in her mind, we cannot know.

The deal breaker is that she has the appearance of a conflict of interest. That's what disqualifies her for the presidency.

[Darb]

44. The "appearance" is a fact? Or..........

just a bernies desperate opinion?

Gawd that is weak reasoning. Her family's charity is a reason to disqualify her. Gumbyish.

[hedda_foil]

34. Um, excuse me, but most of us have caught on to Brock's little propaganda organ.

Yeah, we were all naively delighted when the leopard seemed to change his spots because he'd been "blinded by the right." Not so much anymore, when it has become transparently obvious that he changed jerseys but never changed his game.

Viewing the statement above in the light of day, the piece you quoted is totally uninformative. The WP never implied what.Rubin is quoted as saying. The actual implication is that the foundation a mechanism for funneling cash to the Clintons for favors granted or expected. That's in addition to funneling foreign funds into her super PACs, like those owned and operated by the very same Brocadile. That, of course, is just fine under Citizens United.

[Darb]

45. Brock has been kicking Teabagger since long before

the bernies found so much common ground with them. Too bad.

[creeksneakers2]

9. I don't think the foundation took any money

from dictatorships while Hillary was SOS, with the exception of Algeria, if that's a dictatorship. The foundation said that donation was accepted by mistake. Bernie should check his facts before he makes such a wild accusation. That is, if Bernie cares about facts.

[laserhaas]

13. This is a matter of twisting semantics...They gave her

Foundation monies...then stopped it..while she did the acts..then she returned and collects (after they get what they paid for)

Senator Stevens went to jail..for a used chair

[creeksneakers2]

15. Its not twisting

Here is what Bernie said:

"Do I have a problem when a SITTING secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collects many, many dollars from foreign governments — governments which are dictatorships?
"Yeah, I do have a problem with that."

[laserhaas]

17. You're being disigenous..We already have Clintons

Public confession the Foundation took monies in violation

And you cant have Capone make Nitti into a charity..then hop sctoch around that the dollars mean nothing

Like the Clintons raked in $100 million for being nice.

She saw what Bush n Cheney did with Haliburton and Bush family ties to Bin Ladens..and got filthy rich.

How about the Clinton profit university. While she was Sec of State?

Give U.S. a friggin break

[creeksneakers2]

18. Do you mean the Algeria donation?

Why all the change of subject?

[laserhaas]

33. You are so full of bull....Its a fact that is "Deemed Admitted"

In and of itself...it is enough to convict

You cant do all this hoop jumping through...to hide your emails from public scrutiny...and then say, when your caught... It's just an oops.

It all makes the point.

Even Hillary...herself...said Bush n Cheney were assualting the Constitution..by doing so


Did the laws change?

[creeksneakers2]

35. You are right

I checked it and found they did take money from a few dictatorships. Sorry.

[laserhaas]

37. Thanks...but thats not really the point...The issue is that we

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Simply cannit have our elected officials finding circumvent ways to make $100 million from their public service.

Bernie...correvtly asserts...it's a confluct of interest

She is either for U.S. or herself...and its clear to see

Like US Attorney Chris Christie giving his former boss...USAG John Ashcroft and President Corporate Fraud Task Force US Attorney Debra Yang a $50 million dollar NO BID Deferred Prosecution Agreement

Call it defer, circumvent, or foundations charitable

We used to call it something else when public servants take millions of dollars in...while making devisions in office

[merrily]

32. The foundation also says counting $10 million as zero dollars was a mistake. At what point does

credulity become too strained?

IIRC, the 2008 Clinton campaign said accepting money from the Chinese was a mistake, too. And Hillary misspoke about being shot at. And Bill perjured himself because he was mistaken.

If they caught their mistakes before being caught in the act, I'd feel much better about believing they're mistakes.

[laserhaas]

57. Yup...oops...and another Oops

And another OOPs

But worry not...she's with you...I mean with her...I mean they're with here...the foreign $100 million

I mean. OOOOOPs

[Cryptoad]

12. Still Time

Keep Those $27 a rollin in !

[WhiteTara]

16. Bernie's campaign took money from foreign nationals

to run for office. That is a BIG no no.

[mwooldri]

21. Not entirely true.

Foreign nationals who are legal permanent residents are permitted by law to donate to US political campaigns in the same way and limits US citizens can. The one thing they can't do is vote.

[WhiteTara]

23. Is that why the FEC flagged those donations?

[Pauldg47]

24. Yup, the only nationals who knowingly where from $27 charge account...see the article..Hillary took

..mega bucks from corporations and governments. Bernie didn't know because they were charge card donations from poor nationals wanting to help him. There is no way to find out who they are.

[laserhaas]

58. And they think we're suckers fir it

Why should Americans foot the bill of Elections

When foreigners and Citizens United are willing to foot : he bill..for them

Gotta luv those benevolents

[Ned_Devine]

19. Go Bernie!

You speak for so many of us!

[Darb]

46. You bernies,

and in this case, the Teabaggers too. What a coincidink.

[Ned_Devine]

65. Excuse me?

Who are you again?

[laserhaas]

61. Go Bernie...Go Bernie... :bounce:

GO BERNIE

[LaydeeBug]

22. Where are those tax returns? nt

[Pauldg47]

25. Where are her wall street speech notes she promised?

[AtomicKitten]

26. The plot thickens.

http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/06/05/news/fbi-hillary-clinton-to-face-criminal-indictment-for-email-abuse-very-soon/1334.html

[Darb]

48. Hahahaha, good one.

You bernies will fall for anything, obviously.

[AtomicKitten]

49. truth is tough to digest sometimes

from their own tax filings ...

[Darb]

52. Oooooh, pretty picture. But sorry,

pretty pictures do not tell the story. Please, try to come to grips with the fact that people can give money to any charity they want to, mmmmkay? Now try to to come to grips with the fact that people can believe anything that they want, mmmmmkay?

Now, if you can prove that none of these countries ever, and I mean ever, got weapons deals with the US prior to their giving to the Clinton charity, then maybe we can talk. Otherwise, you are pissing up a rope.

[laserhaas]

55. Yup..CapOne can create a charity for Nitti

Where judges and prosecutors can go to Aruba and Monte Carlo and introduce the charity to other judges and prosecutors world wide

Its all okay

[yourpaljoey]

50. Try as she may the bubbles are rising - faster and faster - to the surface of the swamp

I cannot conceive of a way she can or will outrun her perfidy.

[RandySF]

30. Bernie Sanders Campaign Issues Refunds To Hundreds Of Donors Who May Not Be US Citizens

The Sanders campaign has issued refunds to 278 donors whose US citizenship was not able to be confirmed after they donated to the campaign.

According to Sanders campaign’s FEC filing, “The Committee did not receive confirmation of citizenship or residence status and therefore issued refunds earlier this month to the following donors. These refunds will be reflected in the Committee?s forthcoming 2016 May Monthly FEC Report (04/01/2016 ? 04/30/2016).”

The good news is that the fact that the potentially illegal donations were caught means that the system worked. Potentially illegal foreign donations were not accepted by the Sanders campaign. The bad news is that the system could be better, and there is still potential for a candidate to accept illegal foreign donations.

Bernie Sanders has proven the conventional wisdom wrong by showing that a candidate doesn’t need super PACs and dark money to run a competitive presidential campaign. The problem is that even a campaign with good intentions can still see potentially illegal donations slip through the cracks. The Sanders campaign caught 278 questionable donations out of the millions that they receive each month, but how many did they not catch?


http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/18/bernie-sanders-campaign-issues-refunds-hundreds-donors-citizens.html

[DemMomma4Sanders]

36. So Hillary is wrong, Sanders does Great with minorities.

Bernie Sanders wins the popular vote by a landslide if he is awarded the same amount of independent votes in states where independants are undemocratically blocked from voting. Bernie Sanders not only wins, if all primaries are open as they should be, but by an overwhelming majority.

Hillary didn't win more votes at all.....Party rules, undemocratic primary rules, have handed her the election over the more popular....and trustworthy candidate(every poll shows people trust Bernie more than hillary).

Either way....you post a story about Sanders returning Money in accordance to the law.

When does Hillary return Saudi donations she accepted in return for weapons contracts that will most likely end up seeing Saudi female activists killed and gassed???

[laserhaas]

38. Handed her the primary..possibly

The general election will be a whole different story.

[DemMomma4Sanders]

40. I predict chaos.

The Youth vote, driving the disruption for both parties, may very well go Trump.

Most people around my area are leaning towards Trump because of his military talk.....Theyre sick of Neocons and they see Hillary as a NeoCon.

Nationally, I think The DNC's embrace of closd primaries is going to hand Trump the presidency.

Next Election cycle, and succeedding ones are going to see the power of the two parties dwindle as a New party focused on getting seniors to retire early, lowering social security taxes and cutting benefits for seniors with bloated pensions, Cutting the military, raising wages is going to emerge, This is what is now the Youth vote.

How many elections cycles chaos to continue will be dependent on how much control the establishment is willing to ceede to actual voters.

But if things remain the same, too long........Trump is going to look like the pope compared to some of the candidates we will see rise in the future.

Direct democracy is the only thing that We deserve, and its the only thing that can restart the dead economy dragging economy.

[laserhaas]

43. Chaos...via a Revolucion'...may be what is needed

Im seeing too much goings on...proof of anarchy

As the order of the days

[Gamecock Lefty]

47. That's all you got, Bernie?

Losing is not one of your more attractive qualities, Senator.

[puffy socks]

51. So now he's trying to

get the attention off his illegal foreign donations.

[Zambero]

53. Desperation. What will be the next target?

Doctors Without Borders? Int'l Red Cross?

Bernie, please let's have your tax returns so we can be assured that you have not contributed to any charities accepting foreign contributions.

Has your campaign accepted foreign donations? Canadian citizen Neil Young is an ardent supporter. One wonders.....

[Arizona Roadrunner]

54. Could this be money laundering?

This is how the Clinton's define "the public interest". And Democrats wonder why so many people may not vote at all in the Presidential election. Frankly, there may be a chance that the Libertarian party may get more votes than the Republicans and the Democrats which throws the contest into the House of Representatives since no one will have more than 270 votes in the Electoral College. And some people wonder why Sanders shouldn't keep running.


http://nypost.com/2016/05/22/how-corporate-america-bought-hillary-clinton-for-21m/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

[laserhaas]

60. How dare you?

You can't tell the truth about Hillary...here...at DU

The nerve of some peoples

[Arizona Roadrunner]

59. Could this be money laundering?

This is how the Clinton's define "the public interest". And Democrats wonder why so many people may not vote at all in the Presidential election. Frankly, there may be a chance that the Libertarian party may get more votes than the Republicans and the Democrats which throws the contest into the House of Representatives since no one will have more than 270 votes in the Electoral College. And some people wonder why Sanders shouldn't keep running.


http://nypost.com/2016/05/22/how-corporate-america-bought-hillary-clinton-for-21m/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

[laserhaas]

62. OF Course it is

But her followers don't care

[Babel_17]

63. Going to be tough to defend, among the other issues that will be out there

They reinforce the same narrative, and it's not good.

[beastie boy]

64. In related news: Sanders hits Sanders campaign over foreign donations.

...Oh wait, he didn't do that, did he?

Clean up your own house first, Bernie!

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/bernie-sanders-potentially-illegal-campaign-contributions

[tammywammy]

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