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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:04 PM

kpete (38,874 posts)

Wisconsin elections board officially orders recount

Source: Rockford Register Star

MILWAUKEE — A recount request filed by state Sen. Van Wanggaard was approved Monday by Wisconsin election officials, who ordered Racine County officials to begin reviewing all of the nearly 72,000 ballots cast starting Wednesday.

Wanggaard requested a recount last week, three days after an official canvass showed him trailing Democratic challenger John Lehman by 834 votes. The margin represented 1.2 percent of the 71,868 ballots cast.

Democrats had called on the Republican incumbent to concede, saying a recount would only waste taxpayer money and delay the inevitable. But Wanggaard’s campaign said it was concerned about reports of voting
irregularities and wanted to ensure the outcome was accurate.

The result of the recount could be significant for several reasons.

Read more: http://www.rrstar.com/updates/x681118932/Wisconsin-elections-board-officially-orders-recount

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Wisconsin elections board officially orders recount (Original post)	kpete	Jun 2012	OP
Any election where 99%ers are allowed to vote is CLEARLY suspect. nt	onehandle	Jun 2012	#1
Doe this give the pigs a stalling advantage?	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#2
No.	jeff47	Jun 2012	#3
Then let them do a re-count. They usually favor Dems anyway.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#4
The article says they are going to hand count ballots	fasttense	Jun 2012	#5
Are there any truly paperless voting systems in use in Wisconsin?	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#6
Paper, schmaper. Vote can be recorded one and displayed and printed another way.	valerief	Jun 2012	#8
Paper ballots can be forged quite easily, and people have been prosecuted for doing so	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#9
What are they doing about verifying same day registrations?	Baitball Blogger	Jun 2012	#7
Nothing wrong with a recount.	hrmjustin	Jun 2012	#10
What happens if the Democrat wins by significantly more votes on the recount?	Pab Sungenis	Jun 2012	#11
Thanks for posting!	Ghost of Huey Long	Jun 2012	#12
They will run the ballots through the tabulators just like the first time.	postulater	Jun 2012	#13
vote flipping is easily programmed: see links below n/t	hue	Jun 2012	#16
Racine uses Eagle optical scanners distributed by Command Central	hue	Jun 2012	#14
Here is a link to Wiki's Documented problems with e-voting machine's	hue	Jun 2012	#15
Wonder if any 'misplaced' ballots will surface?	n2doc	Jun 2012	#17

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:27 PM

onehandle (35,373 posts)

1. Any election where 99%ers are allowed to vote is CLEARLY suspect. nt

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (8,609 posts)

2. Doe this give the pigs a stalling advantage?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:39 PM

jeff47 (7,356 posts)

3. No.

Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:42 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The state senate is not scheduled to be in session until next year. So they're not getting anything done anyway.

The Republicans care because it would be harder to win the seat in November if their candidate had been recalled - there isn't any sort of legal barrier, but presumably "was successfully recalled" is not something a candidate wants on their resume.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:46 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (8,609 posts)

4. Then let them do a re-count. They usually favor Dems anyway.

As long as they aren't trying to eat up his term al la Franken.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:46 PM

fasttense (14,426 posts)

5. The article says they are going to hand count ballots

But some places don't have ballots to recount, they only have top secret machines controlled by RepubliCONS and foreign corporations. How will they count those or does this district have no machines?

I suspect the fix was in but somehow the rigged election just didn't give the RepubliCON enough votes.

Too bad Dems don't have the guts to recount.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:51 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

6. Are there any truly paperless voting systems in use in Wisconsin?

I mean machines that record votes only electronically, without a paper audit tape?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:02 PM

valerief (35,667 posts)

8. Paper, schmaper. Vote can be recorded one and displayed and printed another way.

And we know how impossible

it is to reprint paper to fit your needs.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:23 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

9. Paper ballots can be forged quite easily, and people have been prosecuted for doing so

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I guess no system that preserves voter anonymity could ever satisfy you.

BTW the electronic systems I've used allowed me to see the printed paper records of my votes.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:00 PM

Baitball Blogger (11,227 posts)

7. What are they doing about verifying same day registrations?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:55 PM

hrmjustin (8,861 posts)

10. Nothing wrong with a recount.

We will see what the results are.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

Pab Sungenis (8,922 posts)

11. What happens if the Democrat wins by significantly more votes on the recount?

Does that give us ground to call the other elections into question due to tampering?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:13 PM

Ghost of Huey Long (322 posts)

12. Thanks for posting!

We really need a statewide hand recount, and someone independent watching the ballots until then.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

postulater (3,350 posts)

13. They will run the ballots through the tabulators just like the first time.

No one will look at an individual ballot to count them.

My village uses Insight scanners. The clerk told me that they are tested twice before the election. And that's it. After the voting, only the total count of ballots on the machine is expected to match the number of ballots given out. The assumption is that the marks were counted correctly because of the two prior audits.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:43 PM

hue (2,533 posts)

16. vote flipping is easily programmed: see links below n/t

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:24 PM

hue (2,533 posts)

14. Racine uses Eagle optical scanners distributed by Command Central

Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

scroll down to view voting equipment by municipality. Racine is on pg. 121.
If we wanted a recount of the paper ballots that were fed into the scanners/counters a judge would have to order it I think.

Here is a link to a pic & description of Command Central: http://wcmcoop.com/members/meet-command-central-the-people-in-charge-of-wisconsin-voting-machines/

http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/voting-equipment/voting-equipment-use

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

hue (2,533 posts)

15. Here is a link to Wiki's Documented problems with e-voting machine's

There is quite a history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Documented_problems

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:39 PM

n2doc (26,043 posts)

17. Wonder if any 'misplaced' ballots will surface?

Like about 1,000, with a 900+ vote advantage for the R?

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