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Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:42 AM

Obesity a threat to food security

Source: Sydney Morning Herald

Scientists say that overweight people are a threat to future food security.

Increasing population fatness could have the same implications for world food energy demands as an extra one billion people, researchers say after examining the average weight of adults across the globe.

Scientists from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (LSHTM) say that tackling population weight is crucial for food security and ecological sustainability.

The United Nations predicts that by 2050 there could be a further 2.3 billion people on the planet and that the ecological implications of the rising population will be exacerbated by increases in average body mass, researchers said.

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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/obesity-a-threat-to-food-security-20120618-20jb5.html

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bananas Jun 2012 OP
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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:47 AM

1. That is fuckin B.S. and just disrespectful to people.

 

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:53 AM

5. good description of people who eat way more than they need nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:55 AM

7. or

people who are fat because it is expensive to eat your nice organic produce.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 09:14 AM

13. That's true.

In many poor neighborhoods it's much easier to find a McDonald's than a supermarket. The most I've seen are "bodegas", not exactly a place to buy fresh produce.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:27 AM

16. You have an address?

From the research I've done, the majority of what you would call "food deserts" are located in the boonies, out in the middle of nowhere...

If you are living in the middle of Nebraska, are poor, and don't have a car, that's the person that is having a rough time (unless they have chickens in the coop out back)

Everyone else is using this as an excuse

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:31 AM

23. Most inner cities don't have good supermarkets.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:54 AM

25. address?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:57 PM

63. Try inner city Detroit.

There's a reason the community garden movement has exploded in Detroit. I posted about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/112710635

An urgent call to action on food re-localization

Detroit is apparently already a laboratory for this. I heard scholar and community activist Charles Simmons speaking last weekend about the situation in Detroit. He compared the situation in the inner city to Greece. Fresh food is by and large not available, most food is the unfood that's being sold in liquor stores. But they now have 1200 community gardens that will be feeding people this summer, and more are on the way.

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #63)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:41 AM

69. Wild game will no longer be urban legend in Detroit

 

in order to boost property values, whole city blocks are being turned into prairie fields.
A habitat free of humanity blight

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Response to Beacool (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:18 AM

109. We have had one since 1996 here in New Haven thanks to Yale Law students

and some faculty. Back when Bill Clinton's welfare reform bill became law, these students and faculty managed to broker a deal for a Shaw's supermarket to open in a "food desert," serving not only the nutritional needs of the neighborhood, but also the employment needs of mothers who had to transition to work from welfare. The store had to close briefly in 2010 but again a new batch of Yalies jumped in and managed to bring in another supermarket chain store in the same building. It should be said that we do have a Democratic mayor and Board of Aldermen and are represented by a very progressive liberal in Congress (Rosa DeLauro).

I recently learned that several of the original workers of the original supermarket are still there. And the good news is that the new store (a Stop and Shop) is unionized!

If this is the People's Republic of New Haven, I say good for us!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:50 PM

57. Here's your f*cking doubleburger...

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/fooddesert/fooddesert.html

(excuse my French, it's one of my favorite quotes from Good Will Hunting)

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Response to armodem08 (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:43 AM

70. can I get a diet coke with that ? Super size that order for me

 

I checked out a section of that map in pink . My own brother lives in a desert...... I know the area... no fast food franchises .
coincidence ?

I'm luvin it

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:46 PM

116. Not mine

Within that radius is a building for people with disabilities, as well as low income housing. Urban tract of 100% people with low access.
There is a city bus that runs on very limited awkward hours to get people to the store. Otherwise there are a number of expensive restaurants. The least expensive places are Dominoes and Papa Johns Pizza, Subway, Jimmy Johns and a Hardees.

There is one little quick stop with a huge candy and potato chip aisle a long with a large section of booze. Then there is a very small section short one dedicated to outrageously priced boxed canned soup dinners with the dry pasta. Also a tiny fridge with more packaged junk as well as milk, eggs, and butter, and few condiments. Lots of ice cream in the freezer.

Along with the large amount of soda, they do sell to-go bottles of junk juice, energy drinks and plenty of cold Starbucks coffee.

Cigarettes and liquor are probably what keeps them in business since the store is also located near a a college campus.

Adress:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/food-desert-locator/go-to-the-locator.aspx

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:23 PM

36. They did a program about that

Inner city people that have no access at all to proper food. They live on junk.

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Response to msongs (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:59 AM

22. Wait a damn minute. My skinny dad eats 3 times what I do

yet I'm fat and he's not. I get more exercise than he does, way more.

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Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:53 PM

117. The exceptions always disprove the rule

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:48 AM

2. Here's the press release

http://www.biomedcentral.com/presscenter/pressreleases/20120618

The weight of nations: an estimation of adult human biomass

18 Jun 2012

The world population is over seven billion and all of these people need feeding. However, the energy requirement of a species depends not only on numbers but on its average mass. New research published in BioMed Central’s open access journal BMC Public Health has estimated the total mass of the human population, defined its distribution by region, and the proportion of this biomass due to the overweight and obesity.

Up to half of all food eaten is burned up in physical activity. Increasing mass means higher energy requirements, because it takes more energy to move a heavy body. Even at rest a bigger body burns more energy.

Using data from the United Nations and World Health Organization, researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine estimated that the adult human population weights in at 287 million tonnes. 15 millions of which is due to the overweight and 3.5 million due to obesity.

While the average body mass globally was 62kg, North America, which has the highest body mass of any continent, with an average body mass of 80.7kg. North America has only 6% of the world’s population but 34% of the world’s biomass mass due to obesity. In contrast Asia has 61% of the world’s population but only 13% of the world’s biomass due to obesity.

If all countries had the same average BMI as the USA the total human biomass would increase by 58 million tonnes - this is the equivalent of an additional 935 million people of world average body mass.

Explaining the implications of this study Sarah Walpole said, “Our results emphasize the importance of looking at biomass rather than just population numbers when considering the ecological impact of a species, especially humans.”

This study was based on the 2005 WHO SURF report so it is an underestimate of the current situation. The world’s population is continuing to increase in size – the UN predicts that by 2050 there could be 8.9 billion people on the planet.

Prof Ian Roberts, continued, “Everyone accepts that population growth threatens global environmental sustainability – our study shows that population fatness is also a major threat. Unless we tackle both population and fatness - our chances are slim.”

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1. The weight of nations: an estimation of adult human biomass
Sarah C Walpole, David Prieto-Merino, Phil Edwards, John Cleland, Gretchen Stevens and Ian Roberts.
BMC Public Health (in press)

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Response to bananas (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:54 AM

6. Food shortages will slim everyone down real fast...so why worry?

 

unless the obese take up arms and commandeer the food supply.

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Response to rfranklin (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:49 AM

71. Thank you for the prophecy, dear leader. lol n/t

 

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Response to bananas (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:46 PM

32. Prof. Ian Roberts made a funny

"Unless we tackle both population and fatness - our chances are slim.”

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:52 AM

3. Soylent Green will fix that ...

but then those eating it will die of complications of cholesterol and eating too many fatty foods ...

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Response to zbdent (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:50 AM

19. Which in turn

will lead to more raw material for Soylent Green!

Hooray!! Problem solved!

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Response to Berlin Expat (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:12 PM

60. The circle of life! It's beautiful!

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Response to zbdent (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:38 PM

52. The Republican solution

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Response to zbdent (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:50 AM

72. Soylent Green ... is Chinese ?

 

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Response to may3rd (Reply #72)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:56 PM

78. maybe, but after you eat some,

an hour later, you want more ...

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Response to zbdent (Reply #78)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 04:02 PM

115. And the MSG always gives me a headache....nt

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:52 AM

4. Here's the abstract with a link to the paper (open access - free to download)

Here's the full paper (provisional): http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2458-12-439.pdf

Here's the abstract:
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2458/12/439/abstract

Research article
The weight of nations: an estimation of adult human biomass

Sarah C Walpole, David Prieto-Merino, Phil Edwards, John Cleland, Gretchen Stevens and Ian Roberts


For all author emails, please log on.

BMC Public Health 2012, 12:439 doi:10.1186/1471-2458-12-439
Published: 18 June 2012

Abstract (provisional)

Background

The energy requirement of species at each trophic level in an ecological pyramid is a function of the number of organisms and their average mass. Regarding human populations, although considerable attention is given to estimating the number of people, much less is given to estimating average mass, despite evidence that average body mass is increasing. We estimate global human biomass, its distribution by region and the proportion of biomass due to overweight and obesity.

Methods

For each country we used data on body mass index (BMI) and height distribution to estimate average adult body mass. We calculated total biomass as the product of population size and average body mass. We estimated the percentage of the population that is overweight (BMI > 25) and obese (BMI > 30) and the biomass due to overweight and obesity.

Results

In 2005, global adult human biomass was approximately 287 million tonnes, of which 15 million tonnes were due to overweight (BMI > 25), a mass equivalent to that of 242 million people of average body mass (5% of global human biomass). Biomass due to obesity was 3.5 million tonnes, the mass equivalent of 56 million people of average body mass (1.2% of human biomass). North America has 6% of the world population but 34% of biomass due to obesity. Asia has 61% of the world population but 13% of biomass due to obesity. One tonne of human biomass corresponds to approximately 12 adults in North America and 17 adults in Asia. If all countries had the BMI distribution of the USA, the increase in human biomass of 58 million tonnes would be equivalent in mass to an extra 935 million people of average body mass, and have energy requirements equivalent to that of 473 million adults.

Conclusions

Increasing population fatness could have the same implications for world food energy demands as an extra half a billion people living on the earth. The complete article is available as a provisional PDF. The fully formatted PDF and HTML versions are in production.



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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:01 AM

8. I think they are talking about body mass also..... 2.3 billion MORE? I see GMO foods in



our future, for sure!

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Response to secondwind (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:08 AM

15. GMO foods are a contributing factor to the obesity epidemic.

Take wheat for example. It have been modified in the last 50 years or so that it bears little resemblance to the wheat our grandparents used. It has been implicated in obesity, gluten sensitivity, celiac, and chron's to name a few.

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Response to sunwyn (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:44 PM

85. [Citation Needed]

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #85)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:23 AM

112. One example is wheat. Wheat has been genetically modified over the last 50

years to contain to contain amylopectin A. Amylopectin A rich wheat is a super starch that rates higher on the glycemic index than table sugar. It has also been implicated in the accumulation of visceral fat. Visceral fat has been implicated in many degenerative diseases including high blood sugar and heart disease for starters. Dr. Mark Hyman, whom I respect greatly has published several articles on amylopectin A. BTW sorry this took so long to get back to. I am just getting used to all the features on the new DU.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:46 AM

9. Cheaper to eat fast food?

Quicker, to be sure. I feel its a huge cop out to blame economics when its really an issue of education and straightforward laziness.
Leftover pasta and an apple is a fraction of the cost of a McGarbage meal. Being poor as shit, I eat very well. Life is all about choices, and blaming other people for your choices.
To clarify, it is obvious that big business wants you to be sick. So, such being the case, don't go along with it.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:59 AM

10. Yeah, when I was waiting an hour for a train last night...

and hadn't eaten for a day, I should have just gone for some leftover pasta and an apple instead of the Burger King that was right there and the only thing open in the station. Stupid me. I've only got three degrees though, so I wouldn't know what smart people do.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:52 PM

47. Chrome won't get you home

I put a phd next to a rock yesterday, it did nothing for the rock.

You in fact could have brown bagged it. Stupid you.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:29 PM

51. Yeah, between the hotel in the Czech Republic...

... and the train station in England, there were lots of opportunities to pack my own lunch.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:39 PM

53. sorry

I just couldn't resist teasing you. When I DO eat McTrash, its always a side salad, small burger (um, or two) and a water. It is actually possible to consume it without exploding like


I just don't like it when people try to blame their every single day choices on someone else.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:40 AM

65. I have no idea what you ordered

But even Burger King has nutritionally better choices than a Whopper, large Fries, and a large drink.

My only point being is that even if time, location, and convenience are your excuse, the options for a "better" meal are still there.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:27 PM

82. Even fast food isn't all that bad if you get normal proportions

 

and drink water or tea.

People like to blame the fries and ignore the 128 oz soda they always order with those fries (plus free refills!)

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:46 PM

118. you can get salads, grilled chicken sandwich etc at burger king

i like the grilled chicken sandwich they have. and get a side salad with it instead of fries. and water or something else low/no calorie for drink.

but i will say their healthier stuff is a lot more expensive . grilled chicken sandwiches are usually a lot more expensive. the dollar menu is full of unhealthy stuff. even side salads which many use to have for a dollar has gone up in price.

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 09:11 AM

12. I question a few things in your post.

First, I do agree that buying the less processed food is cheaper and more nutritious than mcdonalds. So there are choices and absolutely many people make bad choices. But you ignore that once you're in the grocery store instead of a fast food place, the processed food can be much cheaper. We have bologna right now in our fridge that I bought during a budget demonstration for students - it was 20 cents per 12oz package. I've gotten bisquick free with coupons, pasta, and chocolate. I have gotten deals like that with produce (19 cents/lb for eggplant recently), but that's from smaller ethnic produce markets that people in most parts of the country don't have access to.

But what I see in your choices: pasta and apples are both quick carbs which will turn to glucose, which in turn will flood your blood with insulin. If that's the foundation of your diet, there are some blood sugar issues there which could lead to insulin resistance, which in turn leads to obesity. If the apple has pesticides on it, that could mess up your hormone levels and lead to obesity. If your pasta leftovers are being stored and reheated in plastics, it's possible those chemicals can leech into your food - and lead to obesity.

If you have thyroid problems, that could lead to obesity. If you're eating canned tomatoes (25 cents for a 14.5oz can at my local store this week, and considered "healthy"), they're almost always in a pba lined can, meaning you're getting extra estrogen, which leads to weight gain.

Stressed because you can't pay for basic necessities like medical care or your housing? The stress creates cortisol, which causes weight gain.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:04 PM

48. of course, I agree with your statement.

My point was that even my crappiest, most thrown together at the last second brown bag lunch doesn't have a bucket of fries or a gallon of soda, or cost $7. That, no matter how you look at it, is far healthier and cheaper.

People constantly talk about gland problems being to blame, when in fact this is not representational of the vast majority of instances. If that were a valid argument, Asia would also have a 75% rate, instead of their 25%.

Stress relief for me usually means going running. If your neighborhood is too unsafe for that, you have a floor and can do basic exercises there. I know this is unrealistic for people who weren't raised with the love and education I was, but like I said, its an issue of education.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:40 PM

110. +ten million nt

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Response to RitchieRich (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:43 AM

24. "Cheaper" is more complex than just comparing the cost per serving of pasta

versus burger - there's also the cost of preparation and storage, time spent preparing, travel to shop. When you may or may not have electricity, have child-care challenges, may not be able to securely store food long enough to benefit from buying in bulk, or are limited to slow and difficult transportation options, then the math becomes very different.

Also, cost-per-serving is a bit misleading, cost-per-calorie or which meal gives the longest feeling of fullness is more important. Not to mention the psychological factor - I know that when I'm stressed or depressed I have stronger craving for more comforting foods (generally saltier, greasier, fattier) and it's difficult to overcome that programming...

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 09:11 AM

11. Just what overweight people needed,

one more reason to be discriminated. As for the scientists, let them choke on a carrot.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:36 AM

17. So why does is our government enslaved by Big Ag????

The entire world knows that most of this big food-producing companies (Monsanto, ConAgra, Kraft, etc.)
are peddling POISON.

Their flawed, processed junk is making us sick. It's not even food. It's utterly revolting and disgusting. But
our government not only allows it, but subsidizes it and has gone so far as to relax regulations and standards.
So much so, that food today barely resembles what our grandparents ate.

High fructose corn syrup is poison--and many studies have shown that it can cause organ damage. Partially hydrogenated
fats are a fast track to putting on weight. The sodium, additives and processed shit that we put into food are health hazards. Plus, the sodium, sugar and processed junk causes food addiction, and leave people at a disadvantage and often gaining weight
from all of this. Most grocery-store food is as dangerous as crack, if you look at the long-term health consequences.

I was at the pool the other day with my kids and I couldn't believe the number of overweight children at the pool. It
didn't used to be like this. These kids are doing nothing wrong. They're being fed this junk that causes obesity. You
can't eat "junk food" any more without reprehensible consequences to health. The sugar that we ate in a Hostess Ding
Dong has been replaced by high-fructose corn syrup that is wrecking havoc. NPR did a story the other day about new
cases of Type 2 diabetes. In 1970, children under 12 made up 3 percent of all newly diagnosed Type 2 diabetes cases.

Today, children under 12 make up 50 percent of all new Type 2 diabetes cases. It's the food!

And unless you have a lot of money to spend on food every month--you are completely screwed. Organic is expensive. If you want to eat healthy--grass-fed beef, chicken without antibiotics, organic produce, gluten-free products--you will pay at least triple at the store.

So yes, obesity is a threat to our health and to the future of this planet. But come on--the problem is not the people. The problem is the toxic fat-producing food that makes up 80 percent of what is sold in the grocery stores. Our society cannot kow tow to evil Monsanto and these other toxic companies--and allow them to destroy us--and then complain about the consequences. Government should be regulating their crimes and stopping them, instead of giving them everything they want and subsidizing their crap.

This is a really sad problem. I struggle every time I go to the grocery store. Most people aren't even aware, as most of us are--that our food supply is dangerous for them and causing obesity and food addiction. You have to be educated, have access to information and also have money to win this game and it's not fair.

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:45 PM

100. In the U.S., profit is our most important product.

This should answer your question.

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Response to AdHocSolver (Reply #100)

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 08:54 PM

119. Yup.

Always follow the money.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:44 AM

18. This junk science is an unfair smear on overweight people

The problem is over consumption by all people.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:55 AM

21. Yes but some more than others

Not much point in being concerned about this. When push comes to shove the skinny ones will doubtless sort out the others for being selfish.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:33 PM

28. Two stage solution:

> When push comes to shove the skinny ones will doubtless sort out the others for being selfish

... and then eat them!


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Response to Nihil (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:09 PM

75. the third rail soultion... keep shovel ready

 

...in case any size zombie comes looking for you... weather your white or dark meat,
gotta whack em with a shovel before they eat your face off
or rip your lungs out

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:42 PM

31. Change it from obese/thin to first worlders/third worlders

 

Point out that we in the first world consume more than those in the third world and no one will come back with "that's discrimination! The problem is over consumption by all people". Obviously some Nigerian kid living on 1 penny a day is consuming as many goods, resources, and producing as much pollution as an American in a Humvee.

Everyone consumes something. Some consume more.

It's not unfair to point this out as long as you can back it with facts.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:51 AM

20. Between this and the fact that the obese are responsible for a large part of global warming

 

(http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2008/05/16/2247103.htm), we need to address the serious crises that these behaviors are leading to.

We need to shut down the trough!

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Response to soc7 (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:01 PM

26. you should probably add a sarcasm tag

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:13 PM

27. Go after the overbreeders before the overfeeders

The Duggers eat way more than one overweight person who is perpetually dieting.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:49 PM

33. Careful. The "overbreeders" are predominately in the third world

 

and predominately not white.

That will immediately be construed as racism with overtones of old-school imperialism.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:16 PM

35. Anyone who refuses to allow birthcontrol, suppresses the information

and/or will not provide family planning like the Catholic church (white leadership to brown people) or any other developing nation with rich 1% leaders who refuse to address overpopulation and poverty within their own borders have no business crying racism or imperialism to me.

And the overbreeding people of the our country who condemn others for making responsible choices while praising thier own quiverfulls are as ignorant as they are vast in number.

I am neither a racist nor an imperialist but I am damn sick of those who are constantly coming up with new ways to excuse their irresponsible behavior.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:43 PM

29. Education, education, education.....and a lil sweat doesn't hurt

Health class in school basically amounted to a eat apples not apple pie type of teaching. That is to say, I learned squat. Even in the Army I was not taught how to properly care for my body. Just to run, run , run. It wasn't till I hit 250 (6ft 5in) & my belly was just gross with no muscle to speak of, that I decided to do something. I have a good friend who happens to have a degree in physical training. He and I would wake up every morning and hit the gym. Then he would sit down and teach me about food. My mind was blown. From counting calories to portion size. From enriched foods to organic. I feel a whole new world opened up. I feel a million times better. Dropped 50lbs and run like never before. I just wish I had realized this all sooner.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:40 PM

30. The obese *are* food security

 

they can't run very fast and they're very calorie dense.


Why do you think we issue them motorized carts to get around in both via health insurance and at the supermarket? Keeps the meat tender and limits their mobility.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:33 PM

37. Brilliant Swiftian Satire Strikes Again!

Seriously, I like most people I meet, but very few that much.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:32 PM

39. Yes, er, satire.

 

Obviously it was satire.

Ahem.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:33 PM

40. Three words; Shriracha Rooster Sauce.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:50 AM

66. I LOVE that stuff!

And it certainly does slow down the pace at which I eat my meal. Yum!

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:53 PM

34. I have no doubt that we will be treating obesity with gene therapy shortly.

Like an inverse Norman Borlaug we will be able to feed because people will be designed to eat and need less food.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:09 PM

38. Our government is who's made everyone

fat and sick! They've conducted a "grand" experiment on us for the last 40 years or so. Eat low fat, eat whole grains and and seed oils... bullshit. All that does is make us ill and enrich corporations and the already wealthy. Here's a video by a swedish doctor laying it out. There's no research at all to support the food pyramid. Politics and greed inform all policies on food. We need to wake up! Quit listening to the propaganda as information from the wholly owned medical and pharmaceutical industry. Even our medical schools have been bought and paid for by the greedy assholes, so doctors in training are being lied to at every turn. Ever notice that we never actually get well, just treated? All in the plan. There are ways to cure things, especially the auto-immune diseases, but you'll never know that's even a possibility if you just continue to listen to conventional wisdom and eat a SAD (standard American diet).

I've cured my diabetes and high blood pressure and quit taking statins for my "dangerously" high cholesterol. Cholesterol is a good thing. It's in every organ in our bodies and especially useful in our brains. Take statins, get stupid! We're all just where they want us. Uninformed and too ill and stupid to follow what's being done to us.

http://vimeo.com/couchmode/ancestralhealthsymposium/videos/sort:newest/29464690

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Response to sense (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:35 PM

41. "There's no research at all to support the food pyramid. "

 

Oh I wouldn't say that. If you ask the grain producers in the US it's been a remarkable success. Just like corn-ethanol, and using corn syrup in place of regular sugar, and using dried grains to pave our roads (ok they haven't tried that one . . . yet. Actually I hope I didn't give them a new idea).

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Response to sense (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 05:57 PM

43. Thanks for the link. I am in the process of healing my ills with the paleo diet.

So far it has lowered my blood sugar drastically.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #43)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:12 PM

93. Good for you!

So happy to see that there are others who're breaking free of the crap we've been "fed". I'm approaching a year of paleo/primal eating and the only thing I regret is not doing it sooner. It's improved every aspect of my life and I have so much more energy it just stuns me! The people around me who've seen the changes and taken a chance on it themselves are experiencing the same improvements in their health and well being.

Keep it up!

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Response to sense (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:50 PM

87. Kevin Trudeau, is that you?

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Response to sense (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 05:05 PM

91. Tossing angioplasty water balloons

 

Cholesterol is a good thing


Now there something you don't read every day. Raw eggs anyone?

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 05:55 PM

42. People are fat because the large agri-corprorations and genetic-seed makers

are putting highly addictive substances into them!

SHUT DOWN THE MEGA FOOD CORPORATIONS!

Step back to small local farmers and food makers!

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:31 PM

44. Ludicrous

I know overweight people who eat like birds and thin people who eat twice as much. Not only that, it is WHAT they eat not how much that often leads to obesity.

What an idiotic study.

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Response to tawadi (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:48 PM

56. Agreed

It's those who eat most that could be a threat to the food supply and that's not necessarily the people who carry around the most weight.

Really, though, we've just got too many people.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 07:31 PM

45. Beans and rice, people. Beans and rice.

The overconsumption of meat in the developed world is a massive drain on food supplies, as it takes hundreds of pounds of grain to build a single pound of meat on a cow or hog.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:30 PM

46. More propaganda

It takes zero pounds of grain to build all the meat on cows. Cows don't want to eat grain! It sickens and kills them, just like it does to us. Cows naturally eat grass and we need to quit trying to fatten them so quickly with grains, so that we can cram them into tiny, unnatural, disease-ridden spaces. Think about that... cows fatten quickly on grains, just as we do. Don't eat them, be healthy! We just don't see how ill it makes them because we slaughter them so young. We also don't see how ill grains make us until we're riddled with auto-immunes, then CW docs deny it all!

80% of the wheat in this country is GMO and our bodies don't have a clue what the hell it is. The majority of us have no idea what the prescribed diet of the last 40 years has done to us, nor will we ever be told the truth. Our docs will never tell us what caused it because they've so bought into the low fat, whole grains meme and they no longer think... they trust the pharma reps to do that for them. Try eating paleo/primal for 30 days. If you don't feel better, then go back to eating SAD. You've got nothing to lose, giving it a try....well, you'll be surprised at what you lose...but no harm will come to you.

easy intro: marksdailyapple.com

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Response to sense (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:06 PM

74. Some people simply hate certain farmers products for personal reasons

 

many small family farms would go under if the livestock were taken away and not sold to supplement the family income when they can't produce milk anymore.
Same people are also against big agrifarms producing bumper crops with the aid of monsanto products.
But these are the same people who are for feeding the african farmer with GM grain....produced by....
monsanto...
strange days indeed

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Response to sense (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:54 PM

88. Your anti-GMO spamming is 100% fact-free.

As someone who has taken a college biochemistry class, I KNOW that statement is 100% false.

The Paleo diet is BS unless you are recently descended from hunter-gatherers. Farming populations have evolved to handle an agricultural diet.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #88)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:21 PM

95. Wow. You've taken a college class?

Well, then let's believe the propaganda you're spouting instead of anything else!

Try to learn something that's not put out by our bought and paid for, corporate government or Fox. Evolutionarily we are recently descended from hunter gathers. I'd imagine you're not cognizant of evolution, or you'd understand that. Farming populations are recent and with 80% of our wheat being GMO, our bodies have no idea what it is!

Eating the diet that is best for us is curing thousands of us of supposedly incurable diseases. Can big pharma do that? Do they want to? Nope. They want us to continue to eat as they've prescribed. That way we'll sicken and die sooner so it won't matter that our ss is stolen, cause we won't be around to use it!

http://vimeo.com/couchmode/ancestralhealthsymposium/videos/sort:newest/29464690

Or simply go to Marksdailyapple.com where Mark, a former world class marathoner, is now trying to educate people about a better and more effective way to be healthy.

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Response to sense (Reply #95)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:23 PM

96. Take your spam and shove, it.

No use arguing with a somebody paid to spew quackery.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #96)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:24 PM

97. Working for pharma are you?

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #98)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:56 PM

101. Wow.

 

I would never have guessed "college student" given those superior reasoning skills.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #96)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:42 PM

99. That's all you've got?

You accuse me of being paid to spam because I dared to disagree with you?

No spam has been posted, just progressive ideas and information. You didn't read the info or view the video. Curiosity is a good thing. Try to get some.

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Response to sense (Reply #99)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:11 PM

105. The site you posted is a commercial venture. It sells stuff. Hence, spam.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #105)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:37 PM

106. The site I posted has free information

If you think most sites don't do something to support themselves you might need an education. There is no need to purchase a single thing to get all the information you could want. That is not the definition of spam. You're simply trying to discredit something you have no knowledge about. That is a form of censorship and not remotely progressive. Way to be a part of the problem.

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Response to sense (Reply #106)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:18 PM

107. Throwing around the word "education" doesn't make it so. It's a snake oil e-store, nothing more.

And yes, I went there so nobody else has to.

Oh, and lose the "blah blah censorship blah blah progressive blah" canard. You're not fooling anyone.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #107)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:09 AM

108. Your objection to education

and science is very telling. You continue to follow big brother and bury your head the sand, so no one else has to. Follow the recommendations of politicians on health. That's the ticket!

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #88)

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:57 PM

111. False.

About farming populations that is. According to your assertion, if farming populations had evolved to tolerate the foods produced, there would be no lactose intolerance. I have lactose intolerance, despite being a descendant of a long-standing Ukrainian farming population. Some people have no problems with grains - a lot do. I happen to have insulin resistance - lots of carbs and grains in my diet make me sick (yes, even perogies). Your sweeping generalizations about diet show an alarming lack of knowledge about biodiversity. Perhaps more science courses? (I took a chemistry course AND a genetics course AND a zoology course so *I* should know. LOL, JFC)

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #45)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:14 PM

50. "it takes hundreds of pounds of grain to build a single pound of meat on a cow or hog."

 

Where are you getting your numbers?

Most cows are grass fed in the US the majority of their lives (they only go on grain after they're mostly grown in order to bulk them up quickly for slaughter).

And even then it's more like 5-7 pounds of feed to one pound of gain.

100:1 isn't even in the ballpark.

http://www.extension.org/pages/35850/on-average-how-many-pounds-of-corn-make-one-pound-of-beef-assuming-an-all-grain-diet-from-backgroundi

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #50)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:55 PM

89. That poster is a spammer pimping woo-woo.

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:59 PM

64. Don't hurt me, but didn't Hannity said something similar to that and got clobbered for it?

He was recommending eating rice and beans because it was cheap and nutritious.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:12 PM

49. Some people eat too much, and some people don't have enough to eat

I don't think that is ever going to change. How long have we been here?

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:00 PM

54. People are heavier than others for a variety of reasons

They could be heavier because their metabolism is slower. They could be heavier because they are sedentary. They could be heavier because they eat more food in general. They could be heavier because the food that they eat has more calories.
In areas where there is little food, most people are thinner with some being thinner than others. In areas where they went from plenty of food to little food, some people persist in being heavier for a while despite consuming less calories and do better than those who were thin in plenty. What evidence do we have if there is a widespread food crisis that extends to the US and most other presently affluent areas that those who are heavy will have access to more calories than those who are thinner? If the obese and low normal weight people have access to the same low calorie diet, what evidence do we have that the heavier will do worse?
Most light people in affluent areas, at least that are healthy young adults, are light because they have faster than average metabolisms and/or get a lot of activity, some even at rest by by fidgeting or other movements that burn calories throughout the days. Many heavy people have slower than average metabolisms and are very sedentary and move as little as possible in general. If they are suddenly plunged onto a restricted diet, the light person may actually lose weight quicker than the heavy person. Even if they are losing the same amount of weight, whether as number of pounds or percentage of weight, the light person is going to be facing starvation and nutritional deficiency than the heavier person.

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Response to Nikia (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:04 AM

67. I believe that in almost all cases,

it is your second reason, a sedentary lifestyle, that is responsible for obesity.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:05 PM

77. Not true.

Eat a SAD, get fat. Cut out the processed foods, sugar and grains, lose weight. I've gotten plenty of exercise, daily and nothing changed until I turned the food pyramid upside down. We've been lied to, repeatedly, doggedly, for more than 40 years, so that large corporations could profit. Wheat and Corn... totally crappy for us and that's what we're encouraged to eat in all forms. Big profits trump health.

As long as we eat SAD, we'll continue to be obese, develop auto-immune diseases that big med will tell us they can treat, but not cure and we'll die early after crappy lives.

So many on DU are able to think outside the frickin' box about a lot of things, but the dogma about obesity seems too insurmountable to question.

http://vimeo.com/couchmode/ancestralhealthsymposium/videos/sort:newest/29464690

Marksdailyapple.com



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Response to sense (Reply #77)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:18 AM

80. I wish life was that absolute.

But it's not. What about me - I eat your standard american diet, and I'm far from fat. I have problems keeping weight on. If it were that easy, I could just do the opposite of what you say, eat a few packs of Twinkies or more slices of bread.

I lose weight now, but I didn't always. I had to struggle a little to remain slim. One of my sisters and my mother are/were fat, and the only difference in our lifestyles is that I got my ass out of the chair and moved it, and they never did. My mom cooked the standard American dinners - meat loaf, stew, casseroles, pot roast, roast or baked or fried chicken, along with the obligatory starch, bread, vegetables cooked to death and salad. Always some kind of pudding or cake after. I was never more than a few pounds overweight, eating the same kind of foods that they did (only I didn't like vegetables or salads) and they, who did eat salads and vegetables along with their meat and potatoes, were very overweight.

Exercise might not be as important as nutrition, but if you don't use your body it will become weak. Exercise improves your strength, and it clears your head. You really can run off bad feelings so it's a mental health benefit as well.

So maybe you can live 100 years without doing some sort of regular, sustained exercise. But how would you feel? You'd sure feel a lot better at 100 years old if your muscles are strong and toned.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #80)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:19 PM

81. You've done exactly what

what I pointed out! Repeated the dogma. Your anecdotal experience tells us nothing. Look around. People are suffering. They're doing what our gov. and other "authorities" (ADA, AMA, AHA) tell them to do and they get the opposite of what we're told will result!

Our government has lied to us about so many things in order for big corporations to profit. Why would they tell us the truth about food? Or drugs? GMO? There's a reason they refuse to label GMO foods.

Go to Marksdailyapple.com. Mark is a former world class marathoner who gets it! He will tell you all about what he did to get there and how very unhealthy he was. He's not advocating that people not exercise, but that they exercise and eat in a way that equates to health. The wrong type and/or amount of exercise may very well shorten your life. Eating the way that our gov. tells us is healthy is what is making so many obese and riddled with disease.

Don't watch the video if you want to cling to your dogma..... it's progressive.......


http://vimeo.com/couchmode/ancestralhealthsymposium/videos/sort:newest/29464690

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Response to sense (Reply #81)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:57 PM

90. Your post has been alerted for spam.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #90)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 06:19 PM

94. Good luck with that.

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Response to sense (Reply #81)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:10 PM

102. "He will tell you all about what he did to get there and how very unhealthy he was."

So his 'anecdotal experience' does tell us something ?...

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #102)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:32 PM

103. Didn't go there, did you?

It's a very high traffic site, due to to the high quality of scientific information and the enormous amount of people that are discovering the truth.

He's authored several books, as have others on the subject.

Don't like to read? Try the video from a Swedish doctor:

http://vimeo.com/couchmode/ancestralhealthsymposium/videos/sort:newest/29464690



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Response to bananas (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 06:20 PM

55. Better watch out for those potable-water drinkers, too!

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:57 AM

58. Oh, please.

More obesity bashing. Awful.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 07:19 AM

59. Speaking respectfully as a formerly VERY fat man who is now just...

...a stocky man who is covered in loose skin, I would recommend that everyone consume lots more starch.

Fuck trying to feed 12 calories of grain to a cow to get one calorie of meat. Not to mention how much water gets wasted this way.

Eat all the taters, brown rice, sweet potatoes, beans and quinoa you want, combined with your favorite veggies and fruits, lose weight and feel better.

Don't hate on us fatties; instead, educate us and give us better options than the dollar menu at McBurger Dump down on the corner.

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Response to Systematic Chaos (Reply #59)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 08:37 PM

104. Have you thought at all about getting the skin removal surgeries?

 

I need them in the spring of 13, I know someone who had a vertical thighplasty and a tummy tuck. It was life changing for her and the scars are minimal.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:26 PM

61. The UN's population projections are out of touch with reality.

IMO the world population is going to peak at 8 billion between 2030 and 2040, after which it will begin an accelerating decline. All thanks to climate change putting a distinct crimp in our food supply, and global economic collapse making world (and even regional) trade in food more difficult.

Obesity isn't going to be a problem for too much longer - not even in America.

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Response to bananas (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:29 PM

62. What about those athletes that have to eat a ton of food?

Oh right, they don't count. Obviously they don't eat much at all.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:37 AM

68. perhaps a consumption tax based on body fat weight ?

 

It seems the drive thru culture is the target for this pos tax to be levied.

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Response to may3rd (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:02 PM

73. Beg your pardon?

You realize that people gain weight for other reasons besides consumption don't you?

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Response to Neoma (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:22 PM

79. When I was a competitive college runner, I easily ate 3000+ calories per day

I was averaging 10 miles of running per day in addition to weight lifting and other cross training. I also walked more than I now.
I was eating full "traditional" breakfasts most days of the week and had restaurant size meals for lunch and dinner at the all you could eat dining hall. I was at the low end of "normal weight" at that time.
When I took a recommended one month break from running after one of my seasons, I ended up gaining about 2 pounds per week despite trying to eat less.
I would have ended up obese in less than a year if I would have continued to eat like that and be sedentary. The difference between an obese person and I at that point in time was intense physical training.
The article does not mention people that burn lots of calories either through heavy exercise or work.

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Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:10 PM

76. Is this for real or a joke?

 

Since we have an Obesity crisis along with the overall Health Care Crisis here in the US, 'The Weight of the Nation' from HBO is excellent for anyone that hasn't seen it. Confirmed a lot of what I've seen and known for quite sometime regarding obesity, policy, and lifestyles in the US.


The Weight of the Nation
theweightofthenation.hbo.com/

You can watch at the link.

PS The 'Soylent green' is the Pink Slime they feed people.

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Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:24 PM

83. Egads!! We obviously need a final solution!!!

 

No, not against obese people, but against those who feel sanctioned by trendy junk science & their own sanctimonious bigotry to either discriminate against others, or simply to denigrate them as being unworthy members of society whose very existence is an affront to nature. If the internet existed one hundred years ago, we'd see threads like this featuring the latest & greatest crackpot hypotheses from eugenicists....and many of the same responses from people who consider themselves social progressives.

The logical fallacies inherent in the assertions of these so-called scientists have already been highlighted by others in this thread: The athlete, for example, that consumes 3-4 times as many calories as the average person, or individual variations in metabolism, natural body size etc. However, what I find patently ridiculous is that some people here think it is okay for an active person to consume 4-5 times as many calories as an obese one simply because they "burn it off", which negates the "ecological sustainability" argument presented by these quack scientists they claim to support. Obviously, it is the lifestyle of the obese these people object to, not the amount of food they consume.

Ive noticed that some of the same people who seem to howl like banshees being slow-roasted over a low flame when some religious whack job objects to gay marriage and lectures gay people on how they should live their lives have no compunction telling others what they should eat, how much of it, and when they should exercise. If it is wrong to look inside someone's bedroom and tell them who they should love & how, then it should be equally wrong to stick your nose in someone's dinner tray & tell them what they can or can't eat.

As a society, we've done a great job making it socially unacceptable to openly mock & belittle entire groups of people for simply being who they are. We obviously still have a long way to go in that regard.

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Response to Bad_Ronald (Reply #83)

Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:29 PM

84. The HBO doc is worth the watch and obviously NOTHING to do with what the original article proposes

 

Trying to sprinkle a little bit of sanity onto this thread. It needs it as you indicate.

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Sun Jun 24, 2012, 04:46 PM

86. What crap! I know people who eat way more than me and they are rail thin!

This is junk science.

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 02:23 PM

113. The irony here is that more and more, research on nutrition suggests

that grain eaters get fat on the same number of calories that leave meat eaters thin. In other words, it's the thin people who are the greater load on the environment!

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Sun Jul 22, 2012, 03:59 PM

114. Ah yes- not only am a breaking the social rules by being a non-attractive female

But now I am to blame ( with my other obese conspirators) to the impending starvation of the planet.

You should just take me out and shoot me now before I can cause any more damage to the well being and sensitivities of those around me.


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