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Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:21 PM May 2016

Up against strict laws, Texas women learn do-it-yourself abortions

Source: Reuters

Up against strict laws, Texas women learn do-it-yourself abortions

By Ellen Wulfhorst
May 24, 2016

NEW YORK (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Susanna was young, single, broke and pregnant in southern Texas where, thanks to the state's strict laws, her chances of getting a surgical abortion at a clinic were slim to none.

So she did what an estimated 100,000 women or more in Texas have done - had a self-induced abortion.

With the help of a friend, some online instructions and quick dash across the Mexican border for some pills, she addressed the issue of unwanted pregnancy in a state where women are finding abortion services too expensive and too far away.

Restrictive laws took hold in Texas in 2013, forcing so many clinic closings that fewer than 20 remain to serve 5.4 million women of reproductive age.


Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/against-strict-laws-texas-women-learn-yourself-abortions-111020286.html?nhp=1

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Up against strict laws, Texas women learn do-it-yourself abortions (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2016 OP
Thank you Texas GOP pmorlan1 May 2016 #1
Women on the waves have been doing this all over the world...we can get around these laws haikugal May 2016 #2
TRUMP'S GOING TO BUILD THAT TRUMP WALL bucolic_frolic May 2016 #3
Yeah, I've been thinking the same. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #6
He always has this need to dominate and control bucolic_frolic May 2016 #13
The fools that vote for him have no idea ... n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #16
This news makes me cringe... ReRe May 2016 #4
Now they're resorting to "infanticide" laws askeptic May 2016 #5
I just can't comprehend why a woman would vote for republicans, and especially RKP5637 May 2016 #7
If they have to have children they don't want and can't take care of Demobrat May 2016 #20
... but why would they vote for Trump? n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #22
Because Trump think women who have abortions Demobrat May 2016 #36
Yep! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #38
Didn't Trump want Marla Maples to have an abortion? She didn't, and ended up giving birth to their smirkymonkey May 2016 #51
What do you expect from a guy who Demobrat May 2016 #52
I think your numbers are off with regards to 80 percent being married. StevieM May 2016 #11
Sorry - misremembered (!) askeptic May 2016 #18
No problem. It happens to all of us at some point. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #19
More women are going to skip going to the OB to have Ilsa May 2016 #28
Such a backward place. n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #8
and some of these women will die or get severe infecions. damn the GOP riversedge May 2016 #9
In 2011 there were 46 clinics. Igel May 2016 #10
This is a horrible effect of the Texas TRAP laws Gothmog May 2016 #12
When I was in my teens and abortions were illegal fasttense May 2016 #14
The ones I knew were sent away to school. Demobrat May 2016 #21
So tragic. smirkymonkey May 2016 #42
I remember the 1960s FuzzyRabbit May 2016 #15
Until it happens to their own daughters. nt Ilsa May 2016 #26
Then they'll be the first to look for a good, safe abortion for her. nt raccoon May 2016 #39
You are so right. fasttense May 2016 #44
Fuck republicans. All of them. And a share of dems, too. CrispyQ May 2016 #17
Conservatives really DO love women-- Nirgendwo May 2016 #23
Is this 2016 or 1620? Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #24
1620. The oligarchs want us back to the era of no rights and neo-feudalism. Opress, Opress. Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #25
So, in Texas elmac May 2016 #27
The right to safe abortions is like pregnancy. Either you're pregnant or not. Either the right to a valerief May 2016 #29
Yep. "Sorta legal" drug-war laws Still maintain prohibition. Eleanors38 May 2016 #41
So incredibly sad. I never thought id see women in that situation again in the US nt riderinthestorm May 2016 #30
I really can't believe this is happening here. smirkymonkey May 2016 #43
In Texas Thespian2 May 2016 #31
+1000 okieinpain May 2016 #48
decades ago, the feminist health movement was talking about teaching women how to do niyad May 2016 #32
hope they never use one of these ,,, allan01 May 2016 #33
As always, very informative emsimon33 May 2016 #34
And the 19th century starts again in 3...2.... AlbertCat May 2016 #35
So it's back to the back alleys, this time over the border in Ciudad Juárez. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #40
Kick sarcasmo May 2016 #45
Texas is lapsing into a third world state. noneko May 2016 #46
They just had a vote to secede which was narrowly defeated DesertRat May 2016 #53
That's a convention vote. kentauros May 2016 #54
I lived in TX for three years DesertRat May 2016 #55
Well, if you did live here, kentauros May 2016 #56
Oh great... noneko May 2016 #57
wonder if she and the ones doing the illegal abortions voted. n/t. okieinpain May 2016 #47
what is illegal? riversedge May 2016 #49
Like it or not abortions are technically illegal okieinpain May 2016 #58
I remember pre Roe v Wade Mz Pip May 2016 #50

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
2. Women on the waves have been doing this all over the world...we can get around these laws
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

and abort safely. I'm glad women are not waiting for permission! We can do this!!

bucolic_frolic

(43,144 posts)
13. He always has this need to dominate and control
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:29 PM
May 2016

narcissists, the most extreme ones are very very sadistic - with a smile

It's no laughing matter

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
4. This news makes me cringe...
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:48 PM
May 2016

... shame on those uncivilized evangelical back-country republicans in Texas. To be young, or not so young, a woman, and in an unwanted impregnated situation is a nightmare that I wouldn't put my worst used-to-be BFFE through.

Something's going to have to be done before many young women's lives are lost to abortion attempts gone awry.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org

askeptic

(478 posts)
5. Now they're resorting to "infanticide" laws
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

Last edited Tue May 24, 2016, 06:37 PM - Edit history (1)

as a means of further oppressing and terrifying women.

the conservative hypocrisy reeks as they seem to be only concerned with one right, but hate the fact that there are others that prevent them from requiring women to take a monthly pregnancy test.

It is ridiculous in this day and time that this is even an issue.

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
7. I just can't comprehend why a woman would vote for republicans, and especially
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

a critter like Trump.

Demobrat

(8,970 posts)
20. If they have to have children they don't want and can't take care of
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:18 PM
May 2016

EVERYBODY has to dammit!

That's why.

Demobrat

(8,970 posts)
36. Because Trump think women who have abortions
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

should be punished. And so do they. Because they got stuck with some loser's brats and misery loves company.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
51. Didn't Trump want Marla Maples to have an abortion? She didn't, and ended up giving birth to their
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

Daughter Tiffany. What a flaming hypocrite!

Demobrat

(8,970 posts)
52. What do you expect from a guy who
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

thinks it's great when people lose their homes, because he can swoop in and snap them up cheap?

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
11. I think your numbers are off with regards to 80 percent being married.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

But a solid majority, I think about 60 percent, already have other children. Many of them cannot afford to raise another child.

askeptic

(478 posts)
18. Sorry - misremembered (!)
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

I edited that - don't know how I got that figure in my head. Teaches me to check first. Thanks for calling me on it in such a nice way!

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
28. More women are going to skip going to the OB to have
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:14 PM
May 2016

Their pregnancy confirmed. If they are smart, they'll purchase another pregnancy test at a different store to verify if they are pregnant before aborting on their own.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
10. In 2011 there were 46 clinics.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:13 PM
May 2016
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/state-facts-about-abortion-texas And, yes, Guttmacher is trustworthy on this kind of this; they have a dog in this fight, two actually: pro-abortion-availability and pro-accuracy.

A few more "providers" then than there were clinics, but since the 2013 laws went into effect most people conflate "provider" with "clinic". It makes the numbers seem more catastrophic.

Many of the places with few to no clinics now had few to no clinics then. Some counties had no providers then or now. If you're in the middle of nowhere, you tend to not have much population around and that means there's not sufficient demand to maintain a fiscally viable clinic.
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
14. When I was in my teens and abortions were illegal
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Everyone knew some poor girl who had died or were permanently sterile from do-it-yourself abortions and back alley doctors.

I guess the pill is safer but we should be able to get safe and legal abortions no matter where we live.

Demobrat

(8,970 posts)
21. The ones I knew were sent away to school.
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

I had a good friend whom I didn't even know was forced to have a baby and give it up until she told me years later. I believed she went away to school, got mono, and had to come home.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
42. So tragic.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:15 PM
May 2016

There is no way we can go back to those days. These politicians clearly hate women and only want to punish them. They could give a damn about "unborn babies". Their agenda becomes clearer by the day.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
15. I remember the 1960s
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

when every day in the news there was another story about a woman found dead in a dumpster because of a botched abortion. The "pro-lifers" won't be happy until this happens again, over and over.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
44. You are so right.
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

Juries were refusing to convict doctors and women who helped others get abortions. But it didn't keep people from dying or being seriously injured for life from botched abortions.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
27. So, in Texas
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:12 PM
May 2016

religion trumps constitutional rights. They must have seceded from the Union otherwise I'm sure the feds wouldn't tolerate this

valerief

(53,235 posts)
29. The right to safe abortions is like pregnancy. Either you're pregnant or not. Either the right to a
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

safe abortion is legal or not. All these "sorta legal" bullshit laws make safe abortions totally illegal.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
43. I really can't believe this is happening here.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

We're getting closer to Third World with every passing day.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
31. In Texas
Tue May 24, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

the rich don't give a shit about abortion laws...their pregnant daughters and mistresses take a "vacation" and return "unpregnant"...they have the money to do whatever they want...punishing poor women is one of their specialties...

niyad

(113,278 posts)
32. decades ago, the feminist health movement was talking about teaching women how to do
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:38 PM
May 2016

abortions. figured that if enough women could do this, it wouldn't matter how many stupid, woman-hating gestational slaver laws were passed. they couldn't jail all of us (well, that was what we thought then)

that, of course, was long before plan b-etc.,

allan01

(1,950 posts)
33. hope they never use one of these ,,,
Tue May 24, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016
http://ebookportugal.net/0ca147f24eec7007-bent-wire-coat-hanger.html
my late mom in her years as a young woman working for alimeda county califrnia witnessed a number of back alley abortions and we are returing to that . ugh.
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
35. And the 19th century starts again in 3...2....
Wed May 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
May 2016

Why do anti-choice nuts never ask themselves why it's legal in the 1st place? Do they think it's just a whim?

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. So it's back to the back alleys, this time over the border in Ciudad Juárez.
Wed May 25, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

The Repubs who have forced these kinds of desperate measures are criminal assassins.

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

noneko

(33 posts)
46. Texas is lapsing into a third world state.
Sat May 28, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

Next you know they're going to want to secede. (trust me, it's a popular idea out there)

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
54. That's a convention vote.
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:53 PM
May 2016

Not a vote for the general public. Most Texans do not want to secede. Just a vocal minority. And I'm fine with that vocal minority seceding themselves out of the country entirely.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
55. I lived in TX for three years
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

I know that the majority do not want it. They just need to stop electing crazy people who do!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
56. Well, if you did live here,
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

then you know that we don't all vote repub, right? Conservatives are getting the majority of votes, right now, due to gerrymandered districts. That won't last. And when it fails them, it will be catastrophic for conservatives.

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
58. Like it or not abortions are technically illegal
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016

In texas. That's why they are having to do dangerous at home abortions.

Mz Pip

(27,440 posts)
50. I remember pre Roe v Wade
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

Not only was abortion illegal but BC pills were not always easy to get. Some doctors would only issue prescriptions to married women.

Why anyone thinks returning to a time like this is a good thing is mind boggling.

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