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Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:36 PM

Sharp rise in child bowel disease cases

Source: The Herald Scotland

Thursday 14 June 2012

Sharp rise in child bowel disease cases

by Helen McArdle, News Reporter.



CASES of Scots youngsters being diagnosed with inflammatory bowel disease have soared by 75% in little over a decade, according to new research that points to changes in diet and low levels of vitamin D for the trend.

The Edinburgh University study found that between 2003 and 2008, 436 under-16s in Scotland were diagnosed with the condition, up from 260 cases when it was last monitored between 1990 and 1995.

Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is the umbrella term for a group of incurable, chronic bowel disorders including Crohn's Disease and ulcerative colitis – the condition which forced Scotland captain Darren Fletcher to take indefinite sick leave from professional football last year. It also includes inflammatory bowel disease unclassified (IBDU), a colon disorder which emerges in childhood but lacks the distinguishing features for doctors to diagnose it as either Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis.

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Meanwhile, a US study pub-lished today claims concentrated milk fat used in junk food may be behind soaring rates of IBD. Researchers in Chicago found genetically susceptible mice fed a diet high in milk fat tripled the rate at which they developed colitis.


Read more: http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/sharp-rise-in-child-bowel-disease-cases.17863630



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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:49 PM

1. The food the people in this world eat today, is total CRAP. - :-/ K&R n/t

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:12 PM

4. You are too kind. It's so overprocessed and adulterated it's not food. It's just the idea of food.

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:39 PM

21. So is that picture. What's it got to do with the thread?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:41 AM

30. I'm guessing it's b/c if you stuff yourself with crap food, you become obese & get bowel diseases

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:51 PM

2. There has also been a rise in Celiac disease (caused by gluten ingestion),

as measured in blood tests.

And this isn't just because doctors are looking harder for it. There was a study involving blood samples that had been collected decades ago, compared to recent samples given by the same people. Many of the people who produce gluten antibodies now did not produce them decades ago -- something happened in the meantime.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:17 PM

7. I've been wondering about that.

It just seems odd that we've been eating wheat for thousands and thousands of years, and all of a sudden we're allergic to it.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:37 PM

9. It hasn't been such a large part of the diet. For example, in Ireland

the peasants couldn't afford wheat (which the absentee landlords were shipping off to the Continent, along with butter, milk, etc., during the "famine.") The mainstay of their diet was potatoes.

Now it's hard to avoid wheat, since it's in most processed foods, as well as in foods you wouldn't expect -- like soy sauce and "rice noodles" (which can contain more wheat than rice.)

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:42 PM

11. But wheat wasn't making people sick for so many years?

I got really sick recently after drinking a wheat beer. I never get sick. And a friend of mine had the same experience. We looked around the interwebs and found that many people say they're having allergic reactions to American beers (yes, just Americans). People are wondering if it's GMO crops that are doing this.

I don't have a problem with wheat. It's the processed soy in everything that causes me grief.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:40 PM

10. The wheat we ate hundreds of years ago

is not the same beast we're eating today. Modern hybridization has changed it almost beyond recognition. You can read more about that here: and here: http://cilie-yack.org/food-allergy-news/194-modern-wheat.html

and here: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/wheat-belly/

After reading Wheat Belly, I have a way better understanding of why modern wheat is already sort of "processed food" even when it's whole grain.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:44 PM

13. Thanks for the links. I'll have to research this. nt

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:48 PM

14. I knew a guy whose family raised wheat. He told me that the wheat we eat is not the wheat we ate.

A lot of genetic tinkering and breeding to increase the gluten levels.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:50 PM

16. Is there any way to get the wheat that we used to eat?

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:56 PM

17. Yes - it's called einkorn wheat.

I'm guessing there's more than one source for it, but here's one: http://www.einkorn.com/

That's the stuff people were eating for thousands of years.

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Response to noamnety (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:10 AM

24. Interesting... I've bookmarked this for a test taste....

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:02 AM

26. there are a bunch of us small farmers

growing the heirloom wheats as well. I grow one called Sonora that was supposedly brought to the New World from Portugal before Columbus- who knew?

Anyway, look for heirloom wheats, they are around. The yield is WAY lower (like 5 x's lower per acre) so the price has to be higher. But wow does it have flavor and way less gluten and apparently the proteins that make the gluten up are somehow different in molecular weight and shape.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:20 AM

35. Also lots of tinkering with wheat gluten to make it a protein source.

A lot of processed foods, like chicken nuggets, are mixtures of wheat gluten and chicken. And, the first ingredient in Morningstar Farms fake meats is wheat gluten. Many parents feed their kids this stuff, especially chicken nuggets. So, it's not surprising the kids are having digestive tract issues.

It's the same with many pet foods. Lots of them up the protein content with wheat gluten. Not very healthy for your pet, especially the kitties, who are obligate carnivores, whose digestive tract and metabolism are geared toward meat consumption.

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Response to shcrane71 (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:00 AM

33. maybe people have reactions to the pesticides & after-harvest chemicals sprayed on wheat, nuts, etc

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Response to wordpix (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:46 PM

39. This probably does not help. But the fact that gluten has been selected for

and gluten sensitivity is a major problem leads me to think it might be more than chemical.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:02 AM

37. Wheat was heavily hybridized

To add more gluten.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 02:15 PM

66. Do you know why? Was it so it would work better in processed foods? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #66)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 03:10 PM

67. Here's an interesting interview

with William Davis, M.D., a preventative cardiologist and author of "Wheat Belly"

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/09/20/on-the-evils-of-wheat-why-it-is-so-addictive-and-how-shunning-it-will-make-you-skinny/

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Response to Richard D (Reply #67)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:53 PM

68. Thanks, that is interesting.

I wish it were as easy to lose weight on a wheat-less diet as he says, though! Celiacs might find it easier to gain weight because food doesn't just shoot through healed intestines.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 01:46 PM

65. Can you say Monsanto?

And Round-up ready? They're trying to kill us.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:09 PM

3. Too much processed

food, grains, sugar.... eat a primal diet.... cure your auto-immune diseases. We should not be eating gmo.

marksdailyapple.com

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:13 PM

5. Its an auto-immune disorder...

I worked for a doctor who treated it and he didn't think it had anything to do with diet. But doctors aren't well trained in nutrition, even gastroenterologists.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:37 AM

36. It is well known..

... that many inflammatory/autoimmune diseases are aggravated by various dietary factors.

If I were seeing that doctor, I would get a new one

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:13 PM

6. Water?

 

Pollution.

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Response to Eastern Winds (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:58 AM

31. Too much crap and processed food.

 

Poptart, Twinkies, Soda, Gummi Bears, self pollution of our bodies way beyond tap water.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:30 PM

8. Or, too much use of anti-bacterials.

Which may be contributing to allergies. The human immune system needs to be challenged. If our children are brought up in sterile environments, that doesn't happen. No mud pies. No eating ants. No swimming in raw sewage (as George Carlin put it).

I use bar soap without anti-bacterial stuff. Plus, your fucking hands (and the rest of your body) are covered with beneficial bacteria. They help you.

Anybody who uses anti-bacterial soap puts their children's health in danger.

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Response to longship (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:30 PM

56. I doubt we can produce a sterile environment - but we can sure

expose ourselves to a variety of chemicals trying to create a sterile environment!

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:43 PM

12. GMO Soy Protein in all our Soups and so many products...

It's an enhancing (flavor) and binding agent. It's cheap and plentiful...but much is now GMO.

It's in Everything. Check out canned, processed food for "modifies soy protein." See how much you eat of it.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:37 AM

48. You are right

You even find "hydrolyzed soy protein" in canned tuna.

Best to buy tuna without this in it but you must pay the price for it of course.



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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:49 PM

15. Get some SUN!

Read Naked at Noon.

And please don't bring up the old trope about the sun causing cancer. The sun does not cause cancer. Sun BURNS cause cancer.

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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:39 PM

22. +1



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Response to TalkingDog (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:30 PM

57. Some of us are melanin deficient and can't take the sun -

- but that's why God put Vitamin D capsules in little bottles!



Seriously - I and a couple of my kids can trigger flares of autoimmune disorders with sun exposure!

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:22 PM

18. very sad










ulcerative colitis survivor.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:26 PM

19. All of the above.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:43 PM

23. We're not eating dirty enough.

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"Since the 1950s, we've become a much cleaner society, our food is much more sterile, and we use antibiotics much more frequently, so we are just not exposed to the amount of microbial agents that we would normally have been exposed to during our childhood," said Dr Gaya. "As a result, our immune system doesn't have the chance to get primed to these so-called 'safe bugs'.
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Too much "healthy food" will kill you, or at least, make you sick. Orthorexia is a serious social problem, and it's just getting worse with the internet, with rumors and junk "diets", with everybody believing themselves to be a scientist of some kind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:36 AM

25. "Concentrated milk fat"? Butter? Butter isn't new to the Scottish diet.

I'd think the low levels of Vitamin D might be the more likely culprit. Get outside, guys. Spending all day indoors will kill you.

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Response to Bette Noir (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:00 AM

32. I agree - Vitamin D seems more likely

My BIL got this as a teenager and all he ever did all day was sit on his ass in the house and watch TV.

He was the youngest of 8 who all grew up on a dairy farm drinking 4% milk (without the added Vitamin D of store-bought whole milk) and eating everything fried in butter. Purely anectdotal, but no one else ended up with bowel issues. And everyone else did chores during their free time instead of crashing on the floor in front of the TV.

If it were the milkfat, you'd think when agriculture was our major industry 100-150 years ago there would have been cases of IBD everywhere.

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Response to Bette Noir (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:57 AM

44. And sunscreen/sunblock

so many people refuse to walk out the door unless their child is slathered head-to-toe in sunblock. I'm lucky that our schools aren't super concerned about it and my youngest child's babysitter believes in short bursts of sunblock-free outdoor play to get vit D. I let my kids play outside sunblock free often. When we're going to the lake or going to be out all day, then they get slathered in it, but they are generally outside enough it's not a problem. LOL, at the local elementary school, the principal believes in kids being outdoors so much that unless it's colder than -25 degrees (Celcius) or a thunderstorm, the kids go outside, rain or shine. My daughter complains but I think it's good for them. I notice a difference on how well they sleep when they play outside. My other daughter does have to be careful (should've been a red head and is covered in freckles) but I think short bursts throughout the day are fine.

Here in Canada they were theorizing the rise in MS in Canada (some of the highest rates in the world) were linked with lack of vit D as well.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:17 AM

27. Age of Autism = Bullshit.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:42 AM

96. Thank you. They make me want to spit fire.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:29 AM

28. Less Vit D from the sun. Kids stay inside more now. nt

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:32 AM

29. I think its related to anti-biotic medicines.

They are much stronger now and over-prescribed. They kill off good bacteria in our gut and cause an imbalance than can lead to various bowel diseases. This is a controversial issue and many doctors dont want to talk about it because of Big Pharma.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:07 AM

34. it's not a controversial topic at the hospital where I work

C-dificile is known to be caused by overuse of antibiotics. It's kind of a given, but maybe that is just among professionals and not with patients? Problem is that if you have a seriously ill person, they need the antibiotics to stay alive. They are then set up for c-dif. It runs through nursing homes...

Doctors start with the simplest antibiotic(s) that a given microbe is susceptible to and the patient is not allergic to, because they have fewer side effects and are safer as well as cheaper. Unfortunately, past and current overuse -- including and especially on factory farms -- is driving the increase in antibiotic resistance. That forces doctors to up the ante.

And yes, there have been doctors known to over-prescribe (decades ago, before I worked in healthcare) I had a co-worker with the flu demand his doctor prescribe antibiotics. even when I explained to the co-worker the differences between a virus and bacteria, he admitted he knew that. but he still insisted that everything possible be done. The doctor should have thrown him out, but I think back then they just relented because it was easier.

People are stupid, and sometimes doctors give up and give them what they want. No doubt they regret that now....

On the other hand, some doctors aren't too people smart -- or maybe are too constrained for time? We recently had a patient drop off a bloody stool in the lab to be tested for c-dif; she asked us what could cause bloody stool because her son also had diarrhea. On chatting with her, we determined quickly that not only had she been camping recently, but she had been teaching her son "survivalism." I immediately asked if they drank from a stream. Yup. Lab partner and I looked at each other, looked back at her, and answered in unison, "giardia." The doctor was ordering the wrong test; probably didn't have a chance to ask enough questions. Locals also don't realize (or, if tea partiers, don't accept) that climate change has warmed our fresh water to the point that giardia -- which never survived Maine winters in the past -- is now running rampant, along with a host of other microbes that never survived Maine winters before.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:29 PM

38. I have talked to some Drs about this..

and they say the main reason they dont discuss it much with patients is that they dont want scare people away from using anti-biotics because the benefits usually outweigh the risks.

Yes, I know some patients are insistent on being "treated" with medicine even if they dont really need it and Drs go along with it because the customer demands it. This is a problem.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:35 PM

41. Possible. But antibiotics were overused to a greater extent in the past.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:06 AM

45. I agree.

I had antibiotics constantly as a kid. Every time I had a sore throat (again, constantly.......found out as an adult it's ALLERGIES) I was on antibiotics. My kids have only been on a grand total of 5 times, total. That's between 4 kids where the youngest is 5 years old. Once for a persistant bladder infection. Once for borderline pneumonia. 3 times for dental absseses (genetically defective teeth). I was probably on antibiotics 10 times before I turned 2 - usually for a runny nose. No doctors that we have ever seen for the kids were anxious to prescribe antibiotics unless it was serious. LOL, most of my kids' antibiotics came from dentists.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:16 AM

47. Yeah, antibiotics have been overprescribed for a long time and we are now seeing the results.

I know at least 5 people who are suffering from IBD type diseases.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:29 PM

43. Pretty much everything in your short post is completely untrue

But I think I can safely assume you believe in biodems considering your use of language.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #43)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:59 AM

46. Eveything in your post indicates you are completely uninformed..

Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Here are just a couple of references for your enlightenment..

Natural Health News — People who are prescribed a large number of antibiotics tend to have a higher risk of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), according to a new study.

The findings, published in the American Journal of Gastroenterology, and based on a sample of more than 24,000 people, add to evidence that antibiotic use can disturb the normal ‘friendly’ bacteria balance in the gut.

Previous studies have linked antibiotic use the spectrum of IBD disorders, which include Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis. In the current study, Canadian researchers found 12 percent of people diagnosed with the two conditions had been prescribed three or more antibiotics two years before compared to seven percent without the disease. This difference was consistent over a five-year period.

http://www.nyrnaturalnews.com/health/2011/10/antibiotic-overload-link-to-imflammatory-bowel-disease/

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The American Journal of Gastroenterology 106, 2133-2142 (December 2011) | doi:10.1038/ajg.2011.304

Association Between the Use of Antibiotics and New Diagnoses of Crohn's Disease and Ulcerative Colitis
Souradet Y Shaw, James F Blanchard and Charles N Bernstein

RESULTS:

The mean age at diagnosis was 43.4 years. In all, 12% of cases had ≥3 prescriptions 2 years before the case date, compared with 7% of controls. The odds ratio for those receiving ≥3 dispensations 2 years before their study inclusion was 1.5 (95% confidence interval: 1.3,1.8; P<0.0001) of being an IBD case. This difference in ≥3 dispensations between cases and controls was fairly consistent at 3, 4, and 5 years before IBD case date. Antibiotic dispensations were associated with both Crohn's disease (CD) and ulcerative colitis (UC), with the association nominally stronger in CD cases for ≥1 and ≥2 dispensations, while the association was stronger in UC cases for ≥3 dispensations. A dose-dependent relationship between the number of antibiotic dispensations, and the risk of IBD was observed across all years investigated.

CONCLUSIONS:

Subjects diagnosed with IBD were more likely to have been prescribed antibiotics 2–5 years before their diagnosis. This possibly implicates antibiotic use as a predisposing factor in IBD etiology.

http://www.nature.com/ajg/journal/v106/n12/full/ajg2011304a.html

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Response to DCBob (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:10 PM

50. Oh no, I know all about the biodem movement and the new form of woo it is proposing

Believing in crap like ingesting MMS (bleach) can help cute autism, which is why Age if Autism linked to this article in the first place. Frankly, Natural Health News is not a better source.

So let's make this clear, IBD are still mysteries, we do not know environmental factors, if any, cause them. However we do know Chrohn's looks to be bacterial based, and a lot of studies are currently underway to see if an antibiotic solution can be found.

The study you link to above says that there is a proportionately higher number of two IBDS who had 3+ antibiotic treatments. However, due to subgroup selection the percentages look bigger due to the sample size. A 12% to 7% difference where only a ratio of 1.5 is observed between subgroup and IBD means significantly more study is needed to see if there is a real correlation or not. This is why the conclusion is "there may be a link".

Only the biodem people have decided this supports their good/bad bacterial crap which is why the only sites referencing the study you linked are knee deep in woo.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #50)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:49 PM

51. The link I posted references a respectable peer reviewed professional journal.

The American Journal of Gastroenterology. I think I would trust that source more than some anonymous poster who calls himself Godhumor.

You sure seem to be wound a bit too tight. Chill out dude/dudette (whatever you are), this is just a discussion board. Ciao.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:17 PM

52. Yes, I wasn't disputing the study I was disputing the conclusions from your first link

Add I said on my message the study says there needs to be further research done.

And not wound tight, just hate the insanely dangerous biodem movement and everything it represents (ie bleaching the gut if a good thing). It is tortuous and the fact that anti-vaccers are adopting out represents nothing less than child abuse.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #52)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 03:01 PM

55. Do you dispute this...

"This possibly implicates antibiotic use as a predisposing factor in IBD etiology."

Thats the conclusion from the journal article. I know its not definitive but what research is. This isnt the only study and there are many medical professionals who believe there is a link based on years of experience and seeing actual cases.

BTW, I have never heard the term "Biodem" and "bleaching the gut" sounds dangerous and absurd.

Futhermore I would not recommend people to stop using antibiotics.. just use them only when absolutely necessary.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 05:14 PM

58. sorry then, I take some of this personally

And good/bad bacteria is the basis for the Biodem movement selectively targeting bad bacteria.

As I said the study is what is called a lead-off study. The scientists were a non random correlation between antibiotic use and 2 tips of IBD. The methodology and conclusion its Ann academic way of asking other scientists to Terri and reproduce the findings. If that happens, next step is to the track down if the antibiotics cause or are a supporting factor.

Look I am sorry for jumping all over you. It was uncalled for.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:01 PM

59. No problem..

This topic is serious and does hit home with many people. I've also had personal experience with those in my family.

Clearly you know alot about this issue but I do believe there is a link. We shall see how it plays out as more research it done.

Peace.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #59)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:28 PM

60. Well, if I had to guess, at this point, I think we will see one of two things...

Either it will come back that antibiotics are an "independent" correlation in that people who have to take a lot of antibiotics also happen to be more vulnerable to IBD, naturally.

Or we will see that certain antibiotics are a contributor with other symptoms for very specific types of IBD.

Or we will see that it was all statistical noise, heh.

IBD is really not understood well, at all. Lord only knows what we will eventually find out.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:34 PM

40. A lot of it is increased diagnosis, judging from my own experience

I've had Crohns since I was 5, but wasn't diagnosed till I was 16, due to most of the medical profession not thinking that kids could have it. Nowadays, children are diagnosed much more promptly.

However, increased poverty and its resulting poor diet could be aggravating the situation. So might concentrated milk fat - but more research needs to be done. There's no doubt that in some people dairy products, fat, or both can aggravate the symptoms of IBD, even if they don't cause it in the first place.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:26 PM

42. The only thing Age of Autism is good for is being the toilet of the Web

As literally everything put on the site is shit.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #42)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:58 AM

49. I checked out their website

 

they've got the anti-vacc disorder bad.

I'm guessing this trend is caused by diet or a change in reporting/detection. Not all the stuff people are hypothesizing here.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:23 PM

53. AoA is ground zero for the anti-vac nutters

And the reason they linked to the study in the op is they're now advocating curing autism through something called biodem. Essentially, this calls for giving children industrial strength bleach enemas a well as diluted bleach drinks in an effort to destroy bad bacteria and cultivate good bacteria. Primary to this belief is that antibiotics kill bacteria indiscriminately and should be avoided.

In other words, parents are forcing children to consume bleach to make them "normal". AoA is in front of this ground breaking child torture...I mean treatment.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:27 PM

54. That sounds horrific

 

Jesus, it's scary that these people reproduced.

/and bleach is "discriminate"? Crazy.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:47 PM

61. In addition to being off-topic your post is fiction, hence, no link.

IMO, anyone unfamiliar with AoA might find it helpful to examine these threads carefully and objectively:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101617208
Bill Moyers/Michael Winship: The Risk of Contagion Nation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002312035
More Doctors 'Fire' Vaccine Refusers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101485489
Autism in US more common than previously thought; wider screening, better diagnosis cited



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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #61)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:47 PM

71. Fact.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/todd-drezner/autism-cure_b_1588498.html

The controversy, such as it is, began during the Autism One conference, held in Chicago from May 23-27. The conference is a one-stop shop for parents looking for alternative treatments for autism, and it featured some of the most prominent supporters of the idea that vaccines cause autism, including discredited scientist Andrew Wakefield and celebrity autism mom Jenny McCarthy.

But the Autism One presentation that may have gotten the most attention this year was this one, about a treatment called MMS. In it, Kerri Rivera, the founder of a "Biomed-based Autism Clinic in Latin America," explained "how MMS (chlorine dioxide) has become the "missing piece" to the autism puzzle" and how she has used it to recover 38 children in 20 months.

MMS, it turns out, stands for Miracle Mineral Solution. Go to the MMS website, and you'll find that, "The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worst diseases has been found." These kinds of expansive, evidence-free claims are a sure sign of quackery, and identifying MMS as snake oil is no harder than realizing that $23 million is not waiting for you in a Nigerian bank account.

Unlike some kinds of pseudoscience, though, MMS has the potential to be quite harmful. Check out the slides for Rivera's presentation, and you'll find that MMS is a combination of sodium chlorite and citric acid which, when mixed together, releases chlorine dioxide. MMS, in other words, is bleach. Rivera recommends giving it orally up to eight times a day. There's also a protocol for enemas, applied two to three times per week, and baths, which can be taken every other day.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #71)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:26 AM

76. Well, the ONLY mention of Kerri Rivera @ the AoA website is found within a single comment to a post.

More at post #78 (below).

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #76)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:33 AM

77. MMS as been promoted on AoA since at least 2009.

The whole autism-GI tract relationship is based on Wakefield's discredited work. There is nothing there and these kids are being poisoned for nothing.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #77)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:41 PM

84. Anyone reading the archives of the AoA website realizes that your claim is blatantly false.

There is a site search engine. Please do drive more traffic there. We all need to pay closer attention.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #84)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:58 PM

90. Like I said, 2009. And it's still being talked about in glowing terms as recently as a week ago.

One would think that parents of kids being poisoned with this shit would be screaming from the rooftops and calling for heads, not suggesting the stuff to each other and circling the wagons around the hucksters.

2009:
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/1141979-60-minutes-episode-exposed-swine-flu-vaccine-injuries-lack-of-safety.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e2011570601bb4970b

www.ageofautism.com%2F2009%2F07%2Fis-he-high-functioning.html&ei=va3gT-LIJqGt8AG2yLjvCA&usg=AFQjCNEGSKv0GEsi2lr23cVFBCud1b4e9A

Last week: www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/autism-one-is-there-a-doctor-in-the-house.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e2016767342458970b

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:06 PM

80. I have also seen autistic DUers decry AOA

Including Odin, which lends even more weight to what LeftyMom said, and what I believe.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:19 PM

104. And here come the anti-vax nuts.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:52 PM

62. BTW, certain pediatric gastroenterologists are unsung heroes in the battle to understand autism -

- if you look at the facts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002395958
Professor John Walker Smith Exonerated in Autism MMR Case


http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/05/hit-and-run-the-uk-gmc-.html

Walker-Smith, with Allan Walker of Harvard Medical School, is widely regarded as the co-founder of paediatric gastroenterology as an independent field.

John Stone is UK Editor for Age of Autism.


http://journals.lww.com/jpgn/Fulltext/1999/11000/A_Tribute_to_Professor_John_Walker_Smith,_ESPGHAN.6.aspx

Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology & Nutrition: November 1999 - Volume 29 - Issue 5 - p 14AArticles

A Tribute to Professor John Walker-Smith, ESPGHAN Editor 1995-2000

By Walker, W. Allan MD


With this issue of the Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition, Professor John Walker-Smith retires as the ESPGHAN Editor, a position he has held with distinction since 1995. As the continuing NASPGN Editor, I wish to pay tribute to John for his many contributions to the journal over this period of time and his accomplishments in the field of pediatric gastroenterology in general. During his tenure as Editor, many successful innovations have started that (in my view) have raised the quality of the journal to a new level. In January of 1997, a photograph from an article in each issue was printed as part of a new cover design. Response from our readership was universally positive. During the next 2 years, a Clinical Quiz section was started and the abstract for original articles was changed in design to represent a complete summation of the article with key words and references enclosed. In a questionnaire to the NASPGN readership last year, these changes were approved by a large percentage of the respondents. John, with a strong interest in medical history, initiated a "Historic Notes" section that has informed our young readership of major events that have helped to shape our subspecialty. Recently, a "News and Views" section was started to inform our readership quickly of events worldwide that affect the care of children with gastrointestinal problems. John, it has been a genuine pleasure working with you and your Associate Editors, Alan Phillips, Simon Murch, Deirdre Kelly, and Ian Sanderson, although I have to claim some credit for Ian because he started as a NASPGN Associate Editor before moving back to the United Kingdom.

Recently, John informed me of his intent to retire from the Chair in Pediatric Gastroenterology at the Royal Free Hospital, University of London next September in order to spend more time with his beloved family and to pursue his passion for the history of medicine (he is already Society of Apothecaries Lecturer in Medical History at the University of London). With that news, I thought it would be an appropriate occasion to reflect on John Walker-Smith's contributions to the field of pediatric gastroenterology. John began his training in adult gastroenterology as a House Physician to Professor Chris Booth at Hammersmith Hospital in the United Kingdom after medical school and pediatric training in his native Australia in the early 1960s. With this clinical background, he continued his training as a Research Fellow in Gastroenterology at the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Sydney and with Professor Prader in Zurich, Switzerland. He then began his academic career in the Royal Alexandra Hospital for Children in Sydney, attaining a position of Staff Physician before returning to the United Kingdom to establish one of the most prestigious training programs in pediatric gastroenterology history at the Medical College of St. Bartholomew's Hospital and the London Hospital Medical College at Queen Elizabeth Hospital for Children in 1973.

From that time until the present, John has established himself as one of the premier, if not the premier, pediatric gastroenterologist in the world with a personal Chair in Pediatric Gastroenterology at St. Bartholomew's and, since 1995, at the Royal Free Hospital. His abilities as a clinician, clinical investigator, and educator through lectures, review articles, and textbooks have resulted in a worldwide following by former fellows, colleagues, and general pediatricians. Having been with John at meetings on numerous occasions around the world, I never cease to wonder at former fellows in the host country of the meeting wishing to spend time with their former mentor. John, you have contributed a great deal to the development and continued excellence of our field. We owe you a sincere debt of gratitude. We wish you well in your adventure as the Society of Apothecaries Lecturer in History of Medicine. Maybe we can convince you to write the definitive history of pediatric gastroenterology as a future assignment. With deep respect-

W. Allan Walker, MD
NASPGN Editor


http://www.canaryparty.org/index.php/the-news/82-senior-author-of-mmr-paper-john-walker-smith-wins-appeal

Senior Author of MMR Paper, John Walker-Smith, Wins Appeal

Written by The Canary Party
Wednesday, 07 March 2012 16:13


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, March 7, 2012


Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s co-author on controversial Lancet “MMR paper” completely exonerated of all charges of professional misconduct

World renowned pediatric gastroenterologist Prof. John Walker-Smith won his appeal today against the United Kingdom’s General Medical Council regulatory board that had ruled against both him and Andrew Wakefield for their roles in the 1998 Lancet MMR paper, which raised questions about a link to autism. The complete victory means that Walker-Smith has been returned to the status of a fully licensed physician in the UK, although he had already retired in 2001 — six years before the GMC trial even began.

Justice John Mitting ruled on the appeal by Walker-Smith, saying that the GMC “panel’s determination cannot stand. I therefore quash it.” He said that its conclusions were based on “inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion.” The verdict restores Walker-Smith’s name to the medical register and his reputation to the medical community. This conclusion is not surprising, as the GMC trial had no actual complainants, no harm came to the children who were studied, and parents supported Walker-Smith and Wakefield through the trial, reporting that their children had medically benefited from the treatment they received at the Royal Free Hospital.

While John Walker-Smith received funding to appeal the GMC decision from his insurance carrier, his co-author Andrew Wakefield did not — and was therefore unable to mount an appeal in the high court. This year, however, Dr. Wakefield, who now conducts his research in the US, has filed a defamation lawsuit against Brian Deer, Fiona Godlee and the British Medical Journal for falsely accusing him of “fraud.” The suit is currently underway in Texas, where Wakefield now lives. The ruling today bodes well for Dr. Wakefield’s suit against Deer, on whose reporting the entire GMC hearing was based.

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Today, almost 14 years after the paper was published, the high court determined that John Walker-Smith was innocent of the wrongdoing alleged by the GMC. Judge Mitting reported that the GMC, “on the basis of sensible instructions, does not invite me to remit it to a fresh Fitness to Practice panel for redetermination. The end result is that the finding of serious professional misconduct and the sanction of erasure are both quashed.”

More at link.



http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/12/from-the-editor.html

From the Editor: Joy

(I) received the following today from one of the Lancet families that has never been quoted before:
"As parents of one of the Lancet 12, we are overjoyed by the judgement. Professor Walker-Smith is totally and absolutely vindicated. There is no equivocation in the judgement. A truly honourable man receives justice. The activities of the GMC are more than criticised in the judgement. Who do they answer to?"




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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #62)

Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:18 AM

63. You're bringing up Wakefield and associates as unsung heroes?

Oh lordy. Love the anti vac links, too.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Sun Jun 17, 2012, 12:24 AM

64. FYI, Harvard Health Pub: The Autism Revolution: Whole-Body Strategies for Making Life All It Can Be

"A paradigm-changing book that offers hope and healing for the millions of families who have autism in their lives, The Autism Revolution shows that there’s plenty you can do every day to give someone you love the best possible gift: a life lived to the fullest potential."




http://www.health.harvard.edu/books/the-autism-revolution

After years of treating patients and analyzing scientific data, prominent Harvard researcher and clinician Dr. Martha Herbert offers a revolutionary new view of autism and a transformative strategy for dealing with it.

Autism is not a hardwired impairment programmed into a child’s genes and destined to remain fixed forever, as we’re often told. Instead, it is the result of a cascade of events, many seemingly minor: perhaps a genetic mutation, some toxic exposures, a stressful birth, a vitamin deficiency, and a series of infections. And while other doctors may dismiss your child’s physical symptoms—the diarrhea, anxiety, sensory overload, sleeplessness, immune challenges, and seizures—as coincidental or irrelevant, Dr. Herbert sees them as vital clues to what the underlying problems are, and how to help. In The Autism Revolution, she teaches you how to approach autism as a collection of problems that can be overcome—and talents that can be developed. Each success you achieve gives your child more room to become healthy and to thrive.

Drawing from the newest research, technologies, and insights, as well as inspiring case studies of both children and adults, Dr. Herbert guides you toward restoring health and resiliency in your loved one with autism. Her specific recommendations aim to provide optimal nutrition, reduce toxic exposures, shore up the immune system, reduce stress, and open the door to learning and creativity—all by understanding and truly meeting your child’s needs. As thousands of families who have cobbled together these solutions themselves already know, this program can have dramatic benefits—for your child with autism, and for you, your whole family, and your next baby as well.

A paradigm-changing book that offers hope and healing for the millions of families who have autism in their lives, The Autism Revolution shows that there’s plenty you can do every day to give someone you love the best possible gift: a life lived to the fullest potential.

Martha Herbert, MD, PhD, is an assistant professor of neurology at Harvard Medical School and a pediatric neurologist at Massachusetts General Hospital, where she is the director of the TRANSCEND Research Program. She sits on the Scientific Advisory Committee for Autism Speaks.

Karen Weintraub, MA, is an award-winning journalist and freelance health writer for outlets like The Boston Globe, USA Today, and the BBC. A past recipient of a prestigious Knight Center for Science Journalism fellowship, she also teaches journalism at the Harvard Extension School and Boston University.

For more info visit www.AutismRevolution.org


http://www.amazon.com/The-Autism-Revolution-Whole-Body-Strategies/dp/0345527194/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334851882&sr=8-1

The Autism Revolution: Whole-Body Strategies for Making Life All It Can Be
Martha Herbert (Author),
Karen Weintraub (Author)

Product Details
Hardcover: 320 pages
Publisher: Ballantine Books (March 20, 2012)

Editorial Reviews

“Martha Herbert’s book gives us a new approach to understanding how autism affects many different body systems. It is essential reading for learning more about sensible biomedical treatments.”
—Temple Grandin, author of Thinking in Pictures and The Way I See It

“This book offers hope and practical guidance to heal your child’s whole body system. It will be an important reference for everyone who knows someone with autism or has an interest in the field to read, study, and use.”
—Robert L. Hendren, DO, professor and vice chair, Department of Psychiatry, and director, Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, University of California, San Francisco

“Combining meticulous, world-class research on autism’s biomedical causes and treatment with an artful presentation of the condition as a whole-body phenomenon, Martha Herbert elevates to a new level the thinking about, understanding of, and developing of interventions for supporting individuals on the autism spectrum. The Autism Revolution is a unique and valuable resource.”
—Stephen M. Shore, EdD, assistant professor of special education at Adelphi University

“Written by a brilliant scientist in easy-to-understand language, The Autism Revolution gives parents two life-changing gifts. First is the gift of realistic hope; the second is the gift of knowledge. Drawing upon her vast knowledge of research and an eclectic array of approaches, Dr. Herbert helps parents understand their child in a new, holistic way, sending them on a journey of exploration and opportunity.”
—John L. Martin, director, Ohio Department of Developmental Disabilities

“The Autism Revolution is a remarkable book. Complex evidence is summarized in easy-to-read prose, and practical advice is sprinkled throughout the book. A convincing case is made that autism is a disorder of both the brain and the body, and that there are many features of the environment—from the foods we eat to the pollutants that we breathe—that may play a role. This book will provide a blueprint for the future research agenda on this fascinating condition.”
—Richard J. Davidson, William James and Vilas Professor of Psychology and Psychiatry, and founder and chair, Center for Investigating Healthy Minds, University of Wisconsin-Madison

“It is clear that Dr. Herbert cares deeply about the subject of autism and the people affected by it. Covering the topic as a physician, a scientist, an anthropologist, and a philosopher, she uses her exploration of autism to guide people to possible factors they may not have considered.”
—Timothy Buie, MD, assistant professor of pediatrics (gastroenterology), Harvard Medical School


http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2009/07/maine-cdc-autism-conference-genes-and.html

VIDEO: Maine CDC Autism Conference: Genes and Environment, Developmental and Chronic: An Inclusive Approach to Autism Science

Martha Herbert, MD, PhD


Pediatric Neurologist
Massachusetts General Hospital
Harvard Medical School


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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:19 PM

69. omg....giving your kids bleach to DRINK?

you have to be joking.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #69)

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:29 PM

70. Sadly, this is a thing. They also get bleach enemas. And hot bleach baths.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #70)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:03 AM

72. wtf

I have no words...

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #72)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:56 AM

74. it is the latest autism scam.

As the poster who was responding to me was kind enough to link to charlatans claiming autism can be cured gastrointestinally. I didn't bother responding to him, but if you google the people he linked to in all his posts they have all been discredited or found themselves in court. Harvard's setting up a woo science department has given completely unfounded legitimacy to some of these ideas.

But yes, anytime someone talks about MMS cures, they're talking bleach. The biomedical movement had a lot to answer for.


Oh, look up Kerri Rivera on google/YouTube. She is the AoA speaker advocating all of this at the recent whackadoodle Autism1 Conference. She actually advocates MMS enemas until autistic children have uncontrollable "cleansing" diarrhea and drinking MMS enough to start what she calls "fever therapy".

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #74)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:33 AM

78. Well, the ONLY mention of Kerri Rivera @ the AoA website is found within a single comment to a post.

See COMMENT here (June 06, 2012 at 06:33 PM, http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/vaccine-controversy-black-and-white-chalk-talk.html ) or, like me, don't (it's not representative of the site),
and among a list of presenters at the 2009 AutismOne Conference with perhaps 50 names, including Harvard's Dr. Martha Herbert (see above). Insufficient association to support your smear, certainly.

( http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zMhCwlpwVUQJ:www.ageofautism.com/2012/06/vaccine-controversy-black-and-white-chalk-talk.html+Kerri+Rivera+age+of+autism&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us )

The Princeton-Harvard (Blaxill), Yale (Olmsted), Stanford (Handley, Kuo Habakus), Johns Hopkins (Taylor), Berkeley (Belkin) educated parents who comprise much of the core of AgeofAutism are not so easily discredited, although I can fully understand how desirable that might be to some. These intelligent, informed, credible and committed parents drill down into the nitty-gritty of the comforting narratives we're all provided in what used to be called 'investigative journalism.' The AoA site is filled with examples.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/10/hepatitis-b-vaccine-an-unmitigated-disaster-.html

My name is Michael Belkin. I am a father, businessman, former quantitative strategist at Salomon Brothers, and Director of the Hepatitis B Vaccine Project of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC).
...As a UC Berkeley graduate and advisor to some of the largest financial institutions in the world, I am qualified to analyze and make conclusions about statistics.



Here are some on the subject of GI-related matters:

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/12/autism-speaks-gi-symposium-by-katie-wright.html#more

Autism Speaks GI Symposium

By Katie Wright
Posted by Age of Autism at December 14, 2009


Autism Speaks recently organized and sponsored an exceptional symposium for pediatric GIs on autism and GI disorders. It was a great day for our kids and there were many highlights I would like to share.

Drs. Ashwood, Murch and Buie (Harvard) were all excellent. Ashwood did a beautiful job explaining how intricately the immune system is related to these GI disorders. Buie gave a moving lecture and was, sadly, the only doctor to actually include photos of children actually suffering from GI disease. Murch is one of the original authors of the Wakefield 1998 paper for the “Lancet.” Piece by piece he separated out the histrionic accusations from the paper’s actual findings and conclusions. He discussed how shocked he and his colleagues were over 10 years ago to find so many autistic children seeking their help for GI disease. They were even more shocked to discover the inflammation and disease revealed in the colonoscopies.

Murch spoke about the stifled progress in this field being the result of the political backlash as many scientists left ASD/GI research in favor of safer, less career damaging pursuits. Meanwhile GI disease amongst ASD kids is worse than ever. Doctors treating this problem are so difficult to find and bad advice remains rampant throughout mainstream medicine. All too often doctors view GI disease behaviorally, fail to take a proper history regarding the onset of the symptoms and give unhelpful suggestions.

The conference began with some AAP speakers, none of whom were very insightful. They used those words and phrases we have come to know all too well: “mystery”, “no one knows”, “unclear, “Eric Fombonne.” You get the picture. No sense of the pain that surrounds this issue or compassion for these kids. When one doctor showed a Fombonne “GI” study, I jumped to the mike. I had to ask the doctor why he would choose to present the work of a Canadian psychiatrist, and vaccine company board member, as some kind of exalted expert on GI disease and autism? Should we be also be looking at GI studies by Ears, Nose and Throat doctors or OBGYNs? At no time did this doctor reveal Fombonne’s conflict of interest as someone who is regularly paid to testify against these ASD/ GI children in court. I felt it would be wrong of me not to point this out, so I did. The AAP needs to stop presenting such sloppy conflict riddled research. It is embarrassing.

Despite this community’s great frustration with the pediatric establishment, I have to say how pleased I was to meet many of wonderful GIs in attendance. There were over 150 GIs. Given the ignorance surrounding this issue there should have been 5,000 GIs at the conference but one step at a time.

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http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/12/autism-speaks-gi-symposium-by-katie-wright.html#more

The Failure of The Autism Treatment Network's Dietary Intervention Program

By Katie Wright
Posted by Age of Autism at November 11, 2011


It is so disheartening that the Autism Treatment Network’s dietary intervention research program has accomplished so little over the course of 5 years. In that time hundreds of thousands of dollars have been wasted in badly designed, poor quality research studies.

Not one child has been helped by ATN’s dietary research program and no breakthroughs of any kind have been achieved.

Under the leadership of Dr. Susan Hyman of Rochester NY, ATN’s dietary intervention research has been based on outmoded science. Remember the FDA’s touted nutritional guidelines of the 80s and 90s? Remember the “Food Pyramid”? Remember how the pyramid was about 25% bread and made all of us fat? Well, Hyman studies the “Food Pyramid” of autism dietary intervention research, courtesy of your tax dollars and mine.

Dr. Susan Hyman conducted the same dietary intervention research studies in 2001, 2003, 2009 and again in 2011. All these studies use the same bad design, the same dated recipes, the same selection bias errors and produce the same useless results...

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OK, from 2003 to 20011 Hyman has conducted 7 studies on ASD dietary interventions. None of Hyman’s studies have produced any original insights or discoveries. Later you will read about innovative dietary intervention research completed for a fraction of Hyman’s smallest budget. Groundbreaking emerging research has produced incredible insight as well as extraordinary here-and-now opportunities to help ASD kids in poor health.

It is especially disappointing that Dr. Hyman’s research is devoid of input from an ASD specialist nutritionist, an ASD parent professional or even knowledge of post-2003 dietary interventions. Dr. Hyman fired renowned author, parent and nutrition expert Susan Seruossi in 2009. Seroussi had lobbied for longer trials and the removal of processed food and artificial flavorings and colorings from the study.

Hyman’s GF/CF diet has allowed artificial colors and ingredients, as well as rice and potatoes. Artificial additives/colorings can cause ADHD (present in so many ASD kids). Even the FDA agrees! Not one parent I know who uses GF/CF allows garbage, processed food in their child’s diet. Although potatoes are not technically gluten they have a powerful opiate affect on this subset of ASD kids and lead to ever-stronger cravings for more carbs. Once again, these foods are usually not part of the GF/CF diet.

Hyman does not provide the kids with low oxalate food. This is so important. If you have a hyperactive child the GF/CF diet will be useless if the child is regularly eating high oxalate food. Certain types of nuts, fruits and vegetables have extremely high oxalate levels and will only decrease a child’s ability to focus and sit still. Food high in phenols, like bananas and red grapes, can also lead to hyperactivity. High phenol foods frequently trigger allergic responses in the form of eczema and diarrhea. Old GF/CF diets allowed soy. However soy is a highly processed food and we now know that many ASD kids develop allergy-like symptoms as a result. Coconut milk, now found in most groceries stores, is a far better milk substitute. I could go on and on about why Hyman’s CF/CF diet never gets positive results, but you get the picture.

Most importantly Hyman excludes kids with GI disease and immune dysfunction from her studies. They are THE population who are most likely to benefit from an appropriate intervention dietary intervention!

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Katie Wright has two young boys. Her oldest son, Christian, is severely affected by autism. He developed normally; smiling, talking, walking; only to lose every skill and every word by the age of 2 and a half. Upon the advice of medical professionals Katie and her husband were advised to pursue only high quality behavioral therapy, speech and OT for Christian. It had no meaningful impact on Christian until his parents sought help from DAN! doctors who treated the underlying causes of Christian's descent into autism. Christian has improved but still has far to go. He has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, the measles virus in his gut and an immune system akin to a late stage AIDS patient. Christian does not have a psychiatric disorder. Before autism, Katie Wright was the Clinical Director of Sexual Assault Crisis Center in Stamford Connecticut. Katie is proud to serve on the Boards of NAA and SafeMinds.


NOTE: Katie is daughter of Autism Speaks' founders Bob and Suzanne Wright.

RECOMMENDED: http://www.ageofautism.com/katie-wright/

Time will tell, admit even the most caustic critics.

http://skepchick.org/2012/06/infiltrating-the-autismone-conference/

Comment: Fantastic article! You guys obviously have more self-control than I do. Good job making a disturbing, kinda tragic topic quite funny, I like your writing styles ! I’m currently doing research on probiotics & babies (which sounds woo-y, but bacteria colonises our skin&gut etc and things we do/eat/antibiotics/born through vagina or not etc affect our microbiome!). Most commercial probiotics are probably a waste of money though…

Anyway– I have come across a paper or two on MS + gut bacteria. You cant CURE MS through fecal transplants but there is some weak evidence about the role of gut bacteria has on the development of your immune system. As your immune system is stimulated by bacteria that it interacts with, there is biological plausibility that certain gut microfloras could be associated with MS. So if you lacked microbial stimulation/got the wrong sort of stimulation, this could lead to abnormal functioning of your immune cells (which is what MS is, immune cells attacking the coating of nerve cells).

Because of this, other autoimmune conditions such as Type 1 diabetes have also been linked to gut microflora (as has obesity, irritable bowel conditions etc- we don’t know too much about all the bacteria we have as many cant be cultured in labs yet with our current tech- although the human microbiome and the use of genetic seq is changing all this quite rapidly. I think all of the studies are a bit too early to tell what exactly is going on and whether there is cause/effect or another cofounder/just associated.

Cranks take the smallest grain of science and manage to build a sandcastle out of it…Really annoys me.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #78)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:31 PM

82. you are trying to argue the Bible is true by quoting the Bible

Kerri Rivera was a speaker at Autism 1, the AoA organized crankfest.

Your links are all to either people associated with AoA or who have been discredited. Biomedical quackery will not "cure" autism. All it does is give false hope and damage families.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #82)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:54 PM

89. RE POST #74. Harvard's 'woo'?

Godhumor:

"Harvard's setting up a woo science department has given completely unfounded legitimacy to some of these ideas."


I'll stand with them. Fortunately, it's a free country and you can choose to do the opposite. Meanwhile, take your meme and re-direct it appropriately toward Keri Rivera, not AoA, Harvard, or 'biomed.' We all want to help these children, right?

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #89)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:02 PM

91. free country, of course. my disgust is anti-vaccers and their ilk hurt children

And the Harvard Osher Center for Integrative Medicine its the bane of actual doctors and scientists for the quackery it produces.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:01 PM

92. Preposterous. Harvard's pediatric GI MDs invent the field, co-author text books, rewrite paradigms.

Credited as co-founder of the field of pediatric gastroenterology:


http://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v53/n4/abs/pr2003288a.html
Walker-Smith J, Walker WA. The development of pediatric gastroenterology. Pediatric Research 53: 706-715, 2003

http://www.naspghan.org/user-assets/Documents/pdf/PEDIATRIC%20GASTROENTEROLOGY%20-%20a%20brief%20history.pdf


Write definitive textbooks of the field:


http://books.google.com/books/about/Practical_pediatric_gastroenterology.html?id=ns5sAAAAMAAJ

Practical pediatric gastroenterology

John A. Walker-Smith, John Richard Hamilton, W. Allan Walker

B.C. Decker Inc., 1996 - 313 pages


This second edition is an authoritative and up-to-date guide to the field of pediatric gastroenterology. The intended audience includes the trainee and practitioner in pediatrics, as well as the gastroenterologist. The work is divided into two parts: The first covers gastroenterological signs and symptoms in childhood, from acute abdominal pain to constipation, to vomiting, to abdominal mass. The second part addresses specific diseases, acute and chronic, acquired and inherited, medical and surgical. Experts in each field have written individual chapters.



Rewrite disease paradigms in the field using a cross-disciplinary approach:

Yes, these researchers may be the bane of some of their colleagues, small price for progress. See the AoA for links to current peer-review journal published research, including cross-institutional studies recently.


Save your 'disgust.'

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #92)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:23 PM

93. more Wakefield advocates, more AoA nonsense

Again, using the Bible to prove the Bible.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #93)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:08 PM

94. Try using AoA in its role as an autism news aggregator instead of as a primary source - dual roles.

Disregarding the original analyses and anecdotal information the site provides still leaves a wealth of meticulous commentary on sources from peer-reviewed journals, government reports, and hearings. Finger on the pulse, so to speak. Junk science does not cut it at AoA and attempts to discredit AoA on this thread by claiming the site endorses Rivera or her new 'protocol' presented at an independent AutismOne conference are specious.

AutismOne 2012
• 130+ SPEAKERS/PRESENTATIONS
• 20+ TRACKS
• 5 DAYS
• 3 KEYNOTES
• 6 FEATURED SPEAKERS

Ah, but they're in good company, since Harvard is on the 'woo woo science' list, too. Feel free to backtrack anytime. No shame ever in 'lessons learned.'

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #94)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:39 PM

95. Not junk science??? The main hypothesis there is that vaccines cause autism!

That is the very definition of junk science.

So let's do a few links for you:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/infiltration-of-quackademic-medicine-into-mainstream-a-pernicious-influence/
From Kausik Datta of John Hopkins
Perhaps it is a matter of great irony that schools named in the Flexner report of 1910 as paragons of virtues in medical education have all now embraced pseudoscientific, evidence-free therapeutic systems with great alacrity. I wrote above how University of Toronto seems to have bought into the autism-pseudoscience business. Harvard employs amongst its faculty Dr. Martha Herbert, who is known for her grandiose claims (completely unsupported by any evidence) that neuroinflammation is a major cause of autism, and that molds and other environmental influences trigger it; she is also very popular amongst the anti-vaccination crowd. McGill University of Canada, by far the sanest of all these, recently launched a searchable database of outcome measures intended for CAM researchers – the IN-CAM Outcomes Database – as a collaboration between its Health Centre Research Institute and the University of Calgary. Interestingly, Eric Fombonne, MD, the Head of the Division of Child Psychiatry at McGill and Director of the Department of Psychiatry at the Montreal Children’s Hospital, and a leading authority on Autism Spectrum Disorders, is the author of studies that showed (a) no difference in mercury levels between autistic children and the general population, thereby invalidating the entire chelation therapy business, and (b) no link between MMR-vaccine and autism, but one doesn’t – of course – find a mention of these studies in autism-pseudoscience literature.


From the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology
It’s been said that "if homeopathy has a leader in the United States it is Dana Ullman MPH!" (20) Mr. Ullman has written six major texts, and Penguin, his publishers, boast that he serves on the Advisory Council of the Alternative Medicine Center at Columbia University’s College of Physicians and Surgeons and is a consultant to Harvard Medical School’s Center to Assess Alternative Therapy for Chronic Illness (21) .

Penguin does not report that in the course of the anthrax outbreak in October of 2001, Mr. Ullman advised use of the homeopathic medicine Anthracinum for the prevention and treament of anthrax. This agent, gathered from infected swine, is called a nosode and its producers reassure the public that they are "diluted to a point where no molecules of the disease product remain." (22) Well, nosodes and Anthracinum, miasmas and the like, which dot the Hogwarts curriculum of Mr. Ullman’s site, are matched by those on the web-sites of the University Centers he has advised. Columbia’s Rosenthal Center offers "integrative medicine" for children with cancer offered by a staff experienced in Shiatsu, reflexology, aromatherapy, Reiki, Flow Alignment and Connection, So Tai, and Tui Na (23) . Not to be outdone, Harvard Medical School’s Osher Institute offers clinical fellowships, funded by NCCAM, to study remedies that meet Prince Charles’s criteria of being "rooted in ancient traditions"—acupuncture, herbal therapies, chiropractic, relaxation techniques, therapeutic massage, and other proto-scientific measures that sidestep the laws of chemistry and physics (24) . It is in this context that one can understand why, when Columbia’s Rosenthal Center kicked off its 10th anniversary celebration on November 20th at the St. Regis Hotel in New York, the awardees of honor were—you guessed it—Dr. Andrew Weil and Prince Charles (25) . Is Albus Dumbledore next?


And what about Dr. Martha Herbert? Well, here is the pdf of court documents from when she was called as an "expert witness" to discuss mold causing autism.
http://www.astarcourts.net/MacGregor_v_Born.pdf
Dr. Hrbert's method, to the extent the court can determine it from the materials offered, is a series of deductions based on possibilities, together with a process of elimination...For such a process to be reliable, however, it is necessary to have a finite list of known potential causes, and a reliable method of eliminating causes other than the one in issue. Neither of those exist here. As the research publications discussed repeatedly note, the causes of autism are unknown, and no means exist to determine causation in any particular case, other than the small percentage that are associated with specific identified disorders.

The record provided does not establish reliability based on any of the factors recognized in Lanigan: no means of testing Dr. Herbert's theory appears, nor is any error rate identified. Although Dr. Herbert refers to publications in peer reviewed literature, the publications cited do not address her method of determining the cause of Emilia's condition, nor does anything else in the record identify peer reviewed literature that does so. Clearly, Dr. Herbert's method is not generally accepted in the scientific community. Dr. Herbert's theory of environmental triggers of autism may some day prove true. It has not yet. Her proffered testimony does not meet the standard of reliability required by the case law, and cannot be admitted in evidence at trial.



Oh, as for Rivera not being mentioned on AoA? It is because Julie Obradovic defended her without using her name after Huffington Post received Rivera's presentation materials:

ometime that night I saw a nasty article already on the Internet about Autism One. To start the conference, there was one slamming it and The Chicago Sun Times. Now to end it, there was one slamming it and the parents who attend.

A blogger, who hadn’t attended the conference, but instead was regurgitating another blogger (who hadn’t attended the conference either), wrote an entire article about the inability to “bleach” the Autism out of a child. She was referring to MMS, a treatment being used for gut problems in some children that hadn’t even been presented yet. It was on schedule for the next morning.


But mostly, the article irritated me for its tone. The author’s message was clear: parents who try these treatments are gullible, dangerous, and/or don’t love their children, and the people who pass them off are snake oil salesmen.


I am sure parents love their children, but, yes they're gullible to believe these dangerous treatments and the snake oil salemen who peddle them.

I'm not even going to bother with links about the quackery at AoA or Walker-Smith or Wakefield because they are pervasive and easily seen with a simple Google search. As always, any one interested in learning about how damaging the anti-vaccine movement and biomedical treatments are should reach Seth Mnookin's Panic Virus.

I don't want to keep infinitely bumping this thread, so I'll leave off with a few things:

Autism is not caused by vaccines. Bio-medical practices will not cure nor treat autism. People who advocate for either engage in junk science, regardless of source.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #95)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:51 AM

97. Sadly, uh, no, it's more nuanced than that AS ADMITTED BY NONCONTROVERSIAL EXPERTS.

Fair and objective reporting doesn't get any better than this.

http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-walter-zahorodny-believes-vaccines.html

April 3, 2012

Dr. Walter Zahorodny Believes Vaccines Cause Autism. And Geri Dawson???



From a Radio Listener in NYC:
I was listening this AM to WNYC – Kurt Andersen, of all hostile people, did a segment on the ADDM numbers with Walter Zahorodny, assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in Newark. Zahorodny was the lead researcher on the New Jersey portion of the study.

Kurt Andersen (Seth Mnookin's friend): “I guess we know what they (the causes of autism) aren’t, for instance childhood vaccines. Right?”
Dr. Zahorodny: “Vaccines don’t play a significant role in autism increasing. Some small number of children probably do have autism because of an adverse vaccine reaction, but they don’t make for the overall rise.”
AUDIO at link.

D'oh!

What's that you say Dr. Z? Vaccines don't cause most autism, but they do cause some autism?? You don't say?!


UPDATE:

So is Geri Dawson joining Dr. Zahorodny? Looks that way to me!

Only a year ago, Autism Speaks science director Geri Dawson said we are not allowed to talk about vaccines any more. But now she says this...

Tom Ashbrook interviewed her on NPR:
Ashbrook: "Dr. Dawson, here's a question online from Melrose, has the link between MMR vaccine and autism been completely discredited. I notice that the word 'vaccine' has not even come up so far in this hour. Is that...for some years that had a lot of attention, is that off the table now, Dr. Dawson?"

Dr. Dawson: "There is no evidence that the increase in prevalence that we're seeing in Autism Spectrum Disorder is linked to the MMR vaccine. You know, if vaccines play a role, and there has not been any evidence thus far to show that it has, it would be a very small minority of individuals who have an underlying medical condition where the vaccine may have triggered an onset of symptoms for an already existing condition or vulnerability. So we do not believe that vaccines are an explanation of the increase and we strongly encourage parents to get their children vaccinated."

So again... thrown the softball and didn't take it!

Ashbrook, like Andersen, took the initiative of bringing the vaccine question into the interview, and in both cases it was merely an invitation to declare the vaccine hypothesis DOA. And neither Zahorodny or Dawson took the opportunity to do so!

They BOTH could have said, "Correct." And just moved on. But they didn't!

They both contradicted their interviewers presumptive statements, and said a version of, "Incorrect, vaccines do cause autism in some children, and it is a smaller number of cases than people think, but I don't see that vaccine induced autism could be playing a major factor in the increase."

IMHO... no way in h-e-double hockey sticks that these two didn't know exactly what they were doing. They had every chance to run from vaccine causation and they didn't. They confirmed it. Then they minimized it.

We have just witnessed the very quiet pushing of the envelope. Dr. Geri Dawson and Dr. Walter Zahorodny have just joined you and me and all our friends in taking our position that vaccines cause some cases of autism, just not all the cases of autism. Now we are only separated by the degree in which we believe the vaccine induced autism is a factor in the skyrocketing autism numbers.

Geri said something very interesting... and true...
"You know, if vaccines play a role , and there has not been any evidence thus far to show that it has."

...if by "evidence" of course, she means "scientific research" because there is plenty of data to show that vaccines cause autism, but none that I know of to show how often vaccines cause autism. Remember... we are all still pretending that it doesn't happen at all. So can you imagine the research funding proposal that would read, "It has been established that vaccines are one of the causes of autism, this team endeavors to discover how much of the rise in autism cases are due to vaccine induced autism." HA! Betcha Autism Speaks and CDC would just THROW money at that ask!

Which brings us back to the statement that David Bowman of HRSA issued three years ago:
"The government has never compensated, nor has it ever been ordered to compensate, any case based on a determination that autism was actually caused by vaccines. We have compensated cases in which children exhibited an encephalopathy, or general brain disease. Encephalopathy may be accompanied by a medical progression of an array of symptoms including autistic behavior, autism, or seizures.

Some children who have been compensated for vaccine injuries may have shown signs of autism before the decision to compensate, or may ultimately end up with autism or autistic symptoms, but we do not track cases on this basis."

Not even the government keeps track of their own cases of vaccine induced autism!

So do vaccines cause autism? YES! Now we just need to know how often that happens!

Posted by Ginger Taylor at Tuesday, April 03, 2012


BTW, you should have NOTHING to dispute here from these sources as reported by another of the brilliant parents of a child with autism. And, by the way, Dr. Herbert does not deviate from the CDC vaccination recommendations in her book and has never advocated otherwise. You are committing slander in your overzealous posts.



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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:35 AM

99. Hardly slander. Hell, I'll double down.

Adventures in autism is an anti-vac blog deeply routed in misguided thinking. Quoting two people from a radio show who both say vaccine do not explain a rise in autism rates, admittedly one more equivocal then the other, as sport that vaccines cause autism is deluded.

Herbert wants to be the respectable face of the biomed movement, which is why places like AoA love her. She is not espousing anything scientifically worthwhile, but hey what's the difference, right?

As for overzealous, I'd argue much more strongly for the people who insist someone or something is at fault for the condition who then engage in behavior that is dangerous to the child (biomed "treatments") and others (Refusal to vaccinate).

Look, the problem with all of this is that pretty much all the sites and people you quote treat autistic children as being broken who need to be fixed. They use language like "there in body but not in spirit" or "my son was taken away from us". They give good people the false belief that something is at fault and their child is no longer while.

I don't know how better to explain this, there is am echo chamber of pseudoscience. Sites feed off it, indictments are seen as persecution or conspiracy, discredited practitioners are unsung heroes fighting the good fight. And people get hurt as a result.

It boils down to one simple statement: they're wrong and they are doing real damage pretending to be right.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #99)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:22 PM

101. If the environment is a factor, it's a variable which can be altered. What does that threaten?

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/video/18567384/index.html

POSTED: 4:10 pm EDT January 26, 2009

Martha Herbert MD PhD
, "It frustrates me that we are not focusing a massive quantity of energy like a Manhattan Project type of energy on what is going on in an entire generation." Herbert, a child neurologist at Mass General Hospital, says nothing in her training prepared her for the number of kids coming in with autism, ADD, ADHD and other developmental disorders..." (part 1, minute 54)

Excerpt from ABC's Chronicle: Toxic Kids (4 parts): What is making American children sick? Cancer rates are climbing. Cases of autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, and asthma are through the roof. Is the answer all around us " in the food our kids eat, the air they breathe, and the clothes they wear?" Tonight, Chronicle investigates a provocative thesis about the American lifestyle and its effects on children's health.


http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2009/07/maine-cdc-autism-conference-genes-and.html

VIDEO: Maine CDC Autism Conference: Genes and Environment, Developmental and Chronic: An Inclusive Approach to Autism Science

Martha Herbert, MD, PhD


Pediatric Neurologist
Massachusetts General Hospital
Harvard Medical School


http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2009/05/sun-rises-first-in-maine-or-maine-way.html

May 14, 2009

The Sun Rises First in Maine Or Maine, The Way Life Should Be


On Tuesday, May 12th in Augusta Maine, the Maine Center for Disease Control & Prevention, Department of Health & Human Services, the American Academy of Pediatrics - Maine Chapter, the Maine Medical Association, the Maine Osteopathic Association, the Maine Emergency Medical Services, the Autism Society of Maine, the Downeast Association of Physician Assistants, national figures in autism research, causation and treatment, state developmental pediatricians, state DAN physicians, biomed parents, non biomed parents, and autism treatment and therapy providers of all kinds met to do something that has never been done before in this country.

Listen to one another...


Full conference video available; excerpt above.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #101)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:47 PM

102. Scientific process rules all

Great that everyone talked, but scientific rigor means accepting having to prove hypotheses. I'm done harping on it, so no comments on DAN! or Herbert.

I'm on a cell, so I can't really post links, but there is some really interesting research being done on the chemical revolution and physiological changes generations later. Essentially researchers injected a generation of rats with a mold and found that two generations later descendents reacted to stress situations differently than rats that had no ancestral contact.

The research is in its infancy, but if this physiological changes can also be shown to carry over in humans, well, we might be able to explain a lot of things. Essentially exposure from things like mustards in the wars, dyes in factories, etc were so pervasive we would be seeing pretty massive effects today. If I remember, I'll post the study here or in GD tonight when I get out of work.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #95)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:49 AM

107. Re: "Bio-medical practices will not cure nor treat autism."

See http://www.autismrevolution.org/ .

http://www.marthaherbert.org/

Welcome to My Website

This site, a work in progress, houses my writings and my interests.

I am a pediatric neurologist and a brain development researcher. My main focus is autism. My approach to autism is rooted in my own research findings, in my clinical work, and in several decades of study prominently featuring systems theory and other interdisciplinary approaches.

After much thought, I have come to the formulation that autism may be most comprehensively understood and helped through an inclusive whole-body systems approach, where genes and environment are understood to interplay.

In autism I had to rethink everything I thought I knew based on the following phenomena: 1) the presence of atypical pervasively large brains in a condition defined by discrete behavioral features, 2) the identification of tissue changes in the brain consistent with chronic medical challenges, 3) the increasing numbers of people with autism, 4) the brilliance (sometimes hidden) of many people with autism, and 5) the presence of people who have “recovered” or profoundly improved their well-being in a condition that had been considered “hopeless” and lifelong. My whole-body systems and gene-environment approach is a framework that can incorporate all these anomalies.

I also have great concerns about our planetary environment. We are at an evolutionarily novel and grave turning point. Given what is at stake, I propose that all of our challenges be viewed through this lens. The nature and growing frequency of autism merits being viewed in this light. So does the nature and growing frequency of many other chronic illnesses.

Please join me in reflecting upon these and related concerns, and in formulating strategic and leveraged interventions.


http://www.marthaherbert.org/biography/

Bio

Dr. Martha Herbert is an Assistant Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School, a Pediatric Neurologist at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, and an affiliate of the Harvard-MIT-MGH Martinos Center for Biomedical Imaging, where she is director of the TRANSCEND Research Program (Treatment Research and Neuroscience Evaluation of Neurodevelopmental Disorders).

Dr. Herbert earned her medical degree at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons. Prior to her medical training she obtained a doctoral degree at the University of California, Santa Cruz, studying evolution and development of learning processes in biology and culture in the History of Consciousness program, and then did postdoctoral work in the philosophy and history of science. She trained in pediatrics at Cornell University Medical Center and in neurology and child neurology at the Massachusetts General Hospital, where she has remained. She received the first Cure Autism Now Innovator Award and is now on the Scientific Advisory Committee of Autism Speaks. Her background in pediatric neurology, evolutionary biology and history of science has oriented her toward systems biology, brain connectivity and dynamism, and brain-body interrelationships.

Her main research interests are in addressing autism as a “dynamic encephalopathy” (something that can change) rather than a “static encephalopathy” (something that is fixed for life) and in how environmental vulnerability affects brain and body health and function. Therefore she takes three approaches. 1) Taking a whole body systems approach to how autism emerges — or not — in infants at high risk for autism (because of having an older sibling on the spectrum); 2) developing a multi-modal brain imaging and biomarker approach to studying the interface between metabolic/immune disturbances and altered brain signaling which could (for many at least) be the “ground zero” of autism, and 3) applying these approaches to the systems biology of improvement and recovery in autism and in other situations where complex systems are multiply challenged.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #53)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:36 AM

79. Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield have a lot to answer for

Publicizing this dangerous "trend."

Horrific. This is child abuse.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #79)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:19 PM

81. Link? Doesn't exist? Oh, the perils of poor reading comprehension.

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Response to Godhumor (Reply #85)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:49 PM

88. Reading one-star Amazon reviews of McCarthy's books

Reveal some really interesting studies and links.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #81)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:43 PM

86. Fine, here is one link from 2009 at the height of the McCarthy Wakefield crap

Just a breakdown of some case studies of people who bought into this crap and what happened as a result. Of you really want to learn why this is so dangerous I strongly suggest you explore this website to start

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/the-price-of-anti-vaccine-fanaticism-a-story-in-three-parts/

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #81)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:47 PM

87. McCarthy and Wakefield apologist?

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:43 AM

73. re

 

what are solution for this issue!!!

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:06 AM

75. I personally suspect GMO soy and corn.

About 94 percent of U.S. soybeans and 72 percent of the corn is genetically engineered. There's growing suspicion that the insecticide residues produced by bacterial genes implanted in these crops are responsible for health effects in humans. If we were going to see them, IBD and similar disorders would be the first place I'd look...

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Response to GliderGuider (Reply #75)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:40 PM

83. Makes sense if GMOs are disrupting the intestinal flora

Irritable Bowel Syndrome responds favorably to probiotics.

Inflammatory Bowel Disorder can be triggered by an overgrowth of certain bacteria.

Antibiotics taken orally for an infection somewhere in the body, will also kill of good bacteria in the intestines and result in intestinal troubles like diarrhea and in susceptible people, IBS, colitis and IBD.

These things we know, when put together, support your hypothesis.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:23 AM

98. Injecting shit from a healthy person into the colon of a sufferer has shown promise

It's a matter of restoring healthy intestinal flora, which can be disrupted by diet and antibiotics and other drugs. But there is probably some impact of excessively clean and hygenic environments, just as with asthma. Kids no longer play in the farmyard dirt or out in the barn with the animals.

Your intestines contain way more microbial cells than there are human cells in your body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:08 PM

100. Spare us that bizarre TREATMENT hypothesis; clearly, PREVENTION is preferable, say eating real food.

Avoiding or reducing the consumption of

1) 'food chemistry' derived products (processed foods)
2) chemical laden 'conventional' fruits and vegetables

especially by children or individuals of reproductive age, until health safety has been established. It's called the Precautionary Principle. Incidentally, the recommendation for children is from the Herbert (MD, PhD, pediatric neurologist) book (above).


How about those ANIMAL FEEDING STUDIES by independent scientists on the substances in category #1 and #2 above? Real science, you know?

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:40 PM

105. I fail to see why it is bizarre; if the right microbes aren't present they need to be introduced

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

The procedure involves single to multiple infusions (e.g. by enema) of bacterial fecal flora originating from a healthy donor. Most patients with CDI recover clinically and have the CDI eradicated after just one treatment. The procedure can be carried out via enema, through the colonoscope, or through a nasogastric or nasoduodenal tube. Although a close relative is often the easiest donor to obtain and have tested, there is no reason to expect this to affect the success of the procedure as genetic similarities or differences do not appear to play a role; indeed, in some situations a close relative may be an asymptomatic carrier of C.difficile, a disadvantage. Donors must be tested for a wide array of bacterial and parasitic infections. The fecal transplant material is then prepared and administered in a clinical environment to ensure that necessary precautions are taken. The fecal microbiota infusions can be administered via various routes depending on suitability and ease, although enema infusion is perhaps the simplest. There does not appear to be any significant methodological difference in terms of efficacy between the various routes. Repeat stool testing should be performed on patients to confirm eradication of CDI. In over 370 published reports, there has been no reported incidence of infection transmission.


The June 8 issue of Science has a special section on "Gut Microbiota". It is very interesting.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/336/6086.toc

What you eat does influence the balance of various species of gut microbes. So hopefully, those folks working in the fast food restaurant have healthy gut biomes.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:12 PM

103. Ranchers have been doing this for ages

I am of the mind that intestinal flora may be a factor also. I personally prefer eating active culture yogurt and taking oral probiotics though.

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