Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:05 PM
Judi Lynn (77,540 posts)
Britain Unveils Electronic Mass Surveillance Plan
Source: Associated Press
Britain Unveils Electronic Mass Surveillance Plan By RAPHAEL SATTER 06/14/12 01:44 PM ET LONDON -- British authorities on Thursday unveiled an ambitious plan to log details about every Web visit, email, phone call or text message in the U.K. – and in a sharply-worded editorial the nation's top law enforcement official accused those worried about the surveillance program of being either criminals or conspiracy theorists. The government insists it's not after content. It promises not to read the body of emails or eavesdrop on phone calls without a warrant. But the surveillance proposed in the government's 118-page draft bill would provide authorities a remarkably rich picture of their citizens' day-to-day lives, tracking nearly everything they do online, over the phone, or even through the post. All that data would be kept for up to a year – ready for browsing whenever anyone in authority wanted it. In some cases, the bill envisages monitoring the information in real time. Home Office Secretary Theresa May said in an editorial published ahead of the bill's unveiling that only evil-doers should be frightened. Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/britain-unveils-electroni_0_n_1597529.html
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Judi Lynn | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| Crowman1979 | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| lunatica | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| leveymg | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| MisterP | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Freddie Stubbs | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| snot | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Smilo | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| Berlin Expat | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| JackRiddler | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| JDPriestly | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| AmyDeLune | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| MichaelMcGuire | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| Downwinder | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| sakabatou | Jun 2012 | #14 |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:07 PM
Crowman1979 (3,086 posts)
1. Last time I checked, crime has skyrocketed since the cameras were installed.
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How about PATROLLING THE STREETS!
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:12 PM
lunatica (28,831 posts)
2. So the criminals will just work around it like they always do
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:12 PM
leveymg (26,290 posts)
3. At least the Brits openly admit what they want. We just do it.
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NSA driftnet intercepts scoop up everything that goes through telco switching hubs and ISPs, and then it gets datamined and retained.
We all get "scored" for lots of things. What's your algorithm? |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:19 PM
MisterP (11,822 posts)
4. what the Coalition needs to do is hire some right-wingers to call them Reds
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then nobody would criticize their plan out of fear of looking like they're siding with those right-wingers! brilliant!
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:21 PM
Freddie Stubbs (28,526 posts)
5. How else is Torchwood going to keep track of things?
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 04:33 PM
snot (8,027 posts)
6. Horrifying--tho' the acquiescence is moreso. K&R'd.
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 04:39 PM
Smilo (1,885 posts)
7. And to pay for it - Cameron will make it all available to his pal Murdoch.
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Only evil-doers May - right - and who do you clarify as an evil-doer- anyone who does not think exactly like you?
No we should be afraid, very afraid of this. |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 05:12 PM
Berlin Expat (401 posts)
8. This is utter madness, and that
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Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2012, 05:21 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2) any government which calls itself "democratic" would seriously propose such a thing is monstrous. This is outright totalitarianism, if we agree that one of the most prominent features of a totalitarian state is ubiquitous police surveillance of the innocent, not only the guilty.
I have little doubt that somewhere Felix Dzerzhinsky and Heinrich Himmler are toasting each other with a glass of schnapps and having a good chuckle. That (formerly Great) Britain, after having expended much blood and treasure to defeat fascism and totalitarian ideologies in the 20th Century, would now in the 21st Century resort to the very tactics advocated and put into practice by the two aforementioned men, has got to be an example of supreme irony that is perhaps best appreciated by students of history. If the tragic history of the Nazis, the Bolsheviks and other assorted totalitarian and authoritarian governments has even remotely taught us anything, it's that tyranny always comes calling in the guise of public safety and order. Oh, and Theresa May, if you're reading this (and I sincerely hope that one day it will it find its way into your inbox)..... ......Fuck you. I hope you can rest happy knowing that your name shall go down in history along with those of Dzerzhinsky, Himmler, Lavrenty Beria, Ghenrik Yagoda, Hara Takashi, Kang Kek Iew (Comrade Duch - leader of the Santebal during the Khmer Rouge period in Cambodia) and many others, some of their names now lost to history. While you're not a mass-murderer, not yet at least, you've nonetheless made it far easier for your successors to utilize the power of Her Majesty's Government to potentially persecute their political opponents, despite whatever fatuous protestations you may offer to the contrary. Madame Secretary, may you burn in Hell for your deliberate treason to not only everything the United Kingdom stood for but for your treachery to the very principles of freedom, liberty, and the rights of man. |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 05:24 PM
JackRiddler (19,338 posts)
9. No doubt they are already doing worse than this "plan."
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They just want further to officialize and give legal veneer to the total surveillance state they have already created, to a worse extent than probably any other country. Orwell's vision reached Britain first after all.
And now they want to get more aggressive about it. Criminals! Conspiracy theorists! One dud bomb will allow them to ratchet up the rhetoric further. You look at the police shows coming out of UK (like US), they are soooo celebrating this stuff. Is there any uproar over this? Britain may have had the largest protests of all during the recent anti-austerity wave. Never mind: I hear the Queen is a really old lady! Yay! |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:38 PM
JDPriestly (37,711 posts)
10. The Fascist and NAZI states were very safe for those who supported the government.
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Last edited Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:41 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Imagine how many couples they will discover who are having affairs. They will find more stupid gossip to use against people than dangers to avert.
And as they do this, they will intimidate the British people into being just mindless servants of the state. That is the ultimate goal, the purpose of this sort of surveillance: making people feel that they have no privacy, that they have no right to exercise their wills. You get what you pay for. This will end a lot of the creativity and energy that made the United Kingdom great. Before long, the entire country will be inhabited by heads-down, hands-in-their-pockets, very obedient, idiot-conformists. That's what constantly being watched does to a person. Of course, it will reduce crime, but also art and self-expression of all kinds. Here's to the Queen -- and all her generals. On edit, this will definitely end the great tradition of the British novel, to say nothing of the British mysteries. All of these stories will have to be set in the past and refer to the present overly domineering state discretely so as not to be offensive in metaphors from the past. The British novel, British literature is dead as this law is implemented. Rid the world of illicit love and all crime and what do you have left? Some scientific treatises, but certainly no literature or action movies. |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:51 PM
AmyDeLune (1,826 posts)
11. The Last Enemy
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guess she didn't realize it was meant to be a cautionary tale, not a how-to guide...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/lastenemy/index.html |
Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:12 PM
MichaelMcGuire (1,619 posts)
12. Yeah...!! we are all going to be the next contestants on Big Brother (nt)
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Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:19 PM
Downwinder (7,108 posts)
13. Citizens will have the same information available
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on their "Public Servants?"
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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:29 PM
sakabatou (29,057 posts)

