Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:16 AM
underpants (105,663 posts)
Poll: More blame Bush than Obama
Source: Politico
Americans continue to place more blame for the country’s ongoing economic problems on former President George W. Bush than on President Barack Obama, a new survey shows. Though Bush has been out of office for nearly three and a half years, 68 percent blame him a “great deal” or “moderate amount” for the nation’s economic woes, according to a Gallup poll released Thursday. Meanwhile, 52 percent of Americans believe the same about Obama. In fact, 49 percent of Republicans said Bush was greatly or moderately responsible for America’s economic woes, compared to 51 percent who said he wasn’t. On the other hand, 19 percent of Democrats blame Obama for the current distress, while 81 percent say he is “not much” or “not at all” responsible. Obama’s share of the blame has been relatively steady over the past three years: since 2010, between 48 percent and 53 percent of Americans have blamed him for the economic problems facing the United States. Further, the percentage of those who blame Bush for current economic problems dropped from 80 percent in July 2009 to around 70 percent in August 2010 - and the figure has been relatively stable ever since. Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77416.html The Gallup poll was conducted June 7-10, with a sample of 1,004 adults and a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points. Okay not a good poll but still.
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26 replies, 3426 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| underpants | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| Brainstormy | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| flamingdem | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| liberal N proud | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| xtraxritical | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| liberal N proud | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| spin | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| dipsydoodle | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Bradical79 | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| Laura PourMeADrink | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| Volaris | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| Laura PourMeADrink | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Volaris | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| liberalnationalist | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| Dont call me Shirley | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| southernyankeebelle | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| SemperEadem | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| IamK | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| Liberal_Stalwart71 | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| coalition_unwilling | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| and-justice-for-all | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| hrmjustin | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| hughee99 | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| ashling | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| UpInArms | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| cosmicone | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| lsewpershad | Jun 2012 | #26 |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:30 AM
Brainstormy (258 posts)
1. Our grandchildren
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If the historians and the hind-sighted economists have any integrity, our grandchildren will still be blaming Bush.
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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:22 AM
flamingdem (23,283 posts)
11. And great grandchildren! n/t
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 07:33 AM
liberal N proud (43,918 posts)
2. With the news media preaching the propaganda 24/7, the people are going to start believing it
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No one wants to check the facts anymore, they just want to sit their overstuffed bodies in the overstuffed chairs and be told what to think. If they didn't the 24/7 news stations would wither.
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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #2)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:35 AM
xtraxritical (3,225 posts)
17. Who do you trust for your facts? Which website/blog? Which tv/cable news show?
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Facts are where you find them. RepubliCONs know this well.
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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #17)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:48 PM
liberal N proud (43,918 posts)
19. Verify, verify, verify
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Not all sources will match. Check multiple sources, and quantify your decision based on the sources, their reputation and your own common sense.
You can't sit in front of FOX snews and expect that to be the facts. DU has always been a good source because the news get aggregated here from many sources. And the reputation here was always that original posts had better be accurate and correct, There are enough member here vetting the information that bunk gets debunked very quickly. |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:07 AM
spin (14,762 posts)
3. I suspect that the Republicans were aware they would lose the 2008 election. ...
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They may have decided to leave behind a real mess for either Hillary or Obama, whoever was the Democratic candidate, knowing that there was no chance that the next Democratic president could lead a recovery in four years.
They hoped that while they would lose the Presidency for four years, they would take control of both houses of Congress and the White House in 2012. When the economy finally recovered as is likely during the next four years, the Republicans would get credit and still maintain control of Congress in the following midterm elections and the 2016 race for President. As part of their plan they refused to cooperate with any ideas Democrats proposed that would enable a recovery. The only problem with my theory is why they had such a weak selection of candidates to run for President this year. The Republican primary was a circus. It is almost like the Republicans are willing to concede this race to Obama and wait for the 2016 election to run a strong candidate. |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:11 AM
dipsydoodle (33,146 posts)
4. looking back
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wouldn't surprise me if Bush agreed with that too.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:44 AM
Bradical79 (447 posts)
5. Honestly, I don't give Bush a majority of the blame
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Don't get me wrong, I consider him a good symbol and example of what is wrong with the conservative philosophy, so I have no problem with criticisms being directed at him personally. And he was an awful president. I just think his presidency is the natural result of things that have been in play since Bush was no more than a coked up drunk in Texas no one could have imagined as one of the most powerful people in the world.
Got to go to work, so I can't explain more, but I hope someone gets what I'm saying :-P I'll say more if I can remember to find this thread and am awake enough when I get home, lol. |
Response to Bradical79 (Reply #5)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:55 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (15,276 posts)
7. I understand. He was the perfect pawn for them to advance the agenda nt
Response to Bradical79 (Reply #5)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:23 AM
Volaris (1,594 posts)
12. I would agree with that sentiment...
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Bush as Poster-Boy for bad policies is reasonable, but he is the RESULT of those bad policies, at LEAST as much as the economic mess is. That a lot of GOP-ers think he was not conservative ENOUGH...well, that's them throwing him under the back of the bus instead of the front, and the reading of history will be just the same. Personally, I blame the last 15 Congressional Bodies at least as much for this mess as I do His Majesty, The Shrub.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 08:54 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (15,276 posts)
6. It's amazing that people blame Bush. Like he was the mastermind. haha Saw
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Noot interviewed yesterday about the meeting the republicans had on inauguration
day, Jan 2009. They created a strategy to stay completely united, be obstructive, and blame Obama RELENTLESSLY. And they did it. They managed to neuter him. It is so sad to think back to those early days of unity. How hopeful everyone was. And how they managed to take that away - our chance to change. Boy, I woke up on the wrong side of the bed, huh. |
Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:33 AM
Volaris (1,594 posts)
14. I think it should be seen as a lesson to elected Dem's...
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These fuckers will not LET you govern from the Majority, you must therefore to do it anyway. If that means playing mean (for instance, ending Dual-Tracking in the Senate) then, by all means, you have MY blessing. Until they learn what MINORITY PARTY actually means, and take to heart the fact that "you are not in charge here anymore", they shouldn't be allowed the PRIVILEGES of institutional nicety and Co-Governance.
They think they are the only ones who know how to act like a dick. I think it's PAST time that our elected Dem's show them otherwise. |
Response to Volaris (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:25 AM
liberalnationalist (170 posts)
16. exactly
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no more "mr nice guy".....it should be our mission once we win...to take away anything they think they have....its time to just ramrod legislation right down their throats....legislation starting with wall street, then we can move to medicare for all...and put some teeth in the IRS tax code to make sure churches mind their own business.
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
Dont call me Shirley (1,395 posts)
23. His father is the mastermind, you don't get to be head of the cia for nothin'.
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This is a family of psychopathic evildoers.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:05 AM
southernyankeebelle (10,920 posts)
8. I blame the media for not doing their jobs to shows holding the politicans feet to the fire. DO
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YOUR JOBS MEDIA. If they did show who was and wasn't doing their jobs the people in the districts they live in would get rid of them.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 09:25 AM
SemperEadem (8,023 posts)
9. Man, that's a big "duh"!
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Politico is just amazed that all of their propaganda over the course of the last 3 1/2 years has resulted in a "fail" to get their message inculcated into the masses.
the politico is only good for wiping one's ass with it. |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:11 AM
IamK (956 posts)
10. too bad Bush is not running against President Obama n/t
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:26 AM
Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,169 posts)
13. This isn't a great poll. 51% blame Obama? What??!?! They just blame Bush more.
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Not a good poll.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 10:57 AM
coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)
15. In related news, 51% of Repubicans are deemed 'bat-shit crazy' while only
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19% of Democrats earned the BSC Award.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:18 PM
and-justice-for-all (14,763 posts)
18. People with a brain know this to be true...nt
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
hrmjustin (10,690 posts)
20. They should all blame bush.
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Obama is guilty of bad leadership abilities. He needs to take these congress people by the balls like LBJ and say this is how it is going to be.
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Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:05 PM
hughee99 (10,230 posts)
21. If * wins the Repuke nomination, we'll be in good shape, then. n/t
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 01:08 PM
ashling (19,448 posts)
22. It's not about blame
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I think this is the wrong concept ... and it plays into the right wing meme that the Dems are "still whining that it was Bush's fault". The concept of blame makes it sound like a schoolyard 'I'm rubber your glue' fight.
Its about policies and the consequences of wrong policies. The right would rather use the word "blame" than "responsibility" Responsibility takes it off the playground ... and the Republicans and there minions in the media would rather stay in the sandbox. |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:27 PM
UpInArms (42,647 posts)
24. this poll does not work - that is more than 100%
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68% blame Bush
52% blame Obama 120 polling number is impossible cannot be more than 100% I even went to the Gallup Poll and it has the same information I call BS |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 04:49 PM
cosmicone (3,427 posts)
25. Obama's problem is that
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it was okay to blame Bush in the first year.
However, he needed to switch gears and tell the people how he was going to fix the economy and how repukes were foiling his every attempt. Every time the repukes shut the recovery, there should have been people from the admin on every talk show and on every open microphone saying hos republicans want a bad economy for partisan reasons. However, he focused too much on healthcare -- without ever explaining to plain folks how the healthcare legislation would help them get a job ... i.e lower costs for US corporations leading to expansion. I don't recall anyone arguing that repuke governors were killing high speed rail projects ONLY to keep Obama from creating jobs. I don't recall anyone arguing how "fountain up" (as opposed to "trickle down") economyt would work with an investment of deficit spending where each dollar spent on infrastructure projects would bring back $1.07 in revenue to the government. It is not too late and they need to call the rethugs on their tactics. Unfortunately, Obama is no Bill Clinton who can communicate to people on their level in a non-uppity way and make them understand. |
Response to underpants (Original post)
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 05:04 PM
lsewpershad (1,405 posts)
26. So??????
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This translates into??????????????
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