Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:18 PM

pnwmom (43,200 posts)

Texas jury convicts man in stand your ground case

Source: Atlanta Journal Constitution

A Texas man who claimed the state's version of a stand-your-ground law allowed him to fatally shoot a neighbor after an argument about a party has been convicted of murder.

A jury convicted 47-year-old Raul Rodriguez Wednesday in Houston in the death of 36-year-old Kelly Danaher. He faces up to life in prison.

Rodriguez, who videotaped the incident, can be heard on the recording saying he feared for his life and was standing his ground.

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Texas jury convicts man in stand your ground case (Original post)	pnwmom	Jun 2012	OP
good, he deserves nothing less than life in prison	JI7	Jun 2012	#1
I don't know the specifics of this case but.........	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#2
These SYG laws are so full of holes and open to abuse it's ridiculous	meanit	Jun 2012	#9
The original concept was sound, the execution into law a disaster.	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#34
As, of course, was completely predictable	primavera	Jun 2012	#61
And of course, there IS all of that. There must be an overt threat.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#53
This was not a SYG case	hack89	Jun 2012	#57
You should read up on both the law and this specific case	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#63
But, courts need to make that clear.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#97
The facts of the case are these: PersonA was having a party and making noise. PersonB did not	Vincardog	Jun 2012	#92
yes, it seemed more like premeditated murder	TheFarseer	Jun 2012	#107
The specifics were certain to get him convicted.	dixiegrrrrl	Jun 2012	#98
Good!	obamanut2012	Jun 2012	#3
An eye for an eye in this case.	Woody Woodpecker	Jun 2012	#4
an eye for an eye...	awoke_in_2003	Jun 2012	#12
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!	Woody Woodpecker	Jun 2012	#24
Well, if I am a chicken...	awoke_in_2003	Jun 2012	#28
Castle Doctrine is NOT a failure.	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#36
Rodriquez left his home and went outside so the castle law does not apply	Thinkingabout	Jun 2012	#74
What the hell are you talking about?	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#87
What does that have to do with this case?	tabasco	Jun 2012	#91
Woody called Castle Doctrine a failure in post #4.	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#94
I don't agree with	Meiko	Jun 2012	#56
I saw the video. He should have been convicted. n/t	USD79	Jun 2012	#5
Agreed. And welcome to DU!	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#21
I saw the video	christx30	Jun 2012	#89
I'm pleasantly surprised.	Vidar	Jun 2012	#6
me too	otherone	Jun 2012	#8
Me, three.	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#16
I'm not. From the link, the guilty verdict was likely; it matched my years there:	freshwest	Jun 2012	#20
Excellent, the jury made the right decision	AnOhioan	Jun 2012	#7
"It's coming right for us!"	drm604	Jun 2012	#10
Jimbo would fit in well...	awoke_in_2003	Jun 2012	#13
Common sense prevails. Even in Texas. n/t	ejbr	Jun 2012	#11
has anyone seen if Freepers are saying anything about this ?	JI7	Jun 2012	#14
It would be interesting, but I can't go there.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#22
I can	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#25
Then go there and bring an analysis back. Just cut out the usual vulgar hate speech.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#27
i think they did, the "chirp chirp"	JI7	Jun 2012	#44
Exactly	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#45
Ah, crickets.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#48
Who is defending Zimmerman?	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#31
The Freepers and people like them.	JoeyT	Jun 2012	#60
There are very clear differences in the two cases.	Spoonman	Jun 2012	#75
Good.	yardwork	Jun 2012	#15
The initially released videos	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#17
Don't forget the part where he said that the police officer was talking about	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#41
I know I am usually drunk	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#46
Good. Wonder what would have happened without the video?	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#18
Probably the same verdict	intheflow	Jun 2012	#23
Hope you are right, but I kind of think Post #29 makes a good point. SYG can happen anywhere.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#30
As a Republican who lives in Texas and believes we have a right to self defense .....	marble falls	Jun 2012	#58
His ground will be about 8'x8' square very soon.	TheCowsCameHome	Jun 2012	#19
Doesn't seem like a stand your ground case at all.	Cronkite	Jun 2012	#26
This being Texas and watching the video....	radarluv	Jun 2012	#29
about as blind as it is in say Maryland	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#33
They do that in my state, too	obamanut2012	Jun 2012	#47
I've been wondering that, too -- if the victim was the Hispanic guy,	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#43
Clearly he was convicted based on his race and not his obvious guilt	4th law of robotics	Jun 2012	#76
I think what we are witnessing is a consequence of SYG being a law	fascisthunter	Jun 2012	#32
SYG didn't have a damn thing to do with it.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#54
Which is why SYG doesn't protect Zimmerman either, IMHO.	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#35
+1000	SunSeeker	Jun 2012	#71
I agree	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#37
There was a gun shop owner and "safety expert" who said on TV	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#42
He "said" the right things.	boppers	Jun 2012	#49
And wasn't evident in the video.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#55
This was about someone trying to claim self-defense while standing someone ELSE'S ground	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#66
I don't know about the rest of the country,	secondvariety	Jun 2012	#90
So glad to see this. Never expected it. Gives human beings reason to hope. Thanks. n/t	Judi Lynn	Jun 2012	#38
Post over at Alternet: 5 SYG cases you should know about	DiverDave	Jun 2012	#39
Thanks, DiverDave. That is truly disgusting. n/t	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#40
I agree that the laws need to be rewritten ...	spin	Jun 2012	#64
gun nuts ALWAYS "fear for their lives"	Skittles	Jun 2012	#50
Define "gun nuts" ...	spin	Jun 2012	#65
Same goes for Zimmerman...	pacalo	Jun 2012	#51
I hope so. n/t	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#52
The big complication with Zimmerman is the lack of witnesses.	hack89	Jun 2012	#67
It's the big picture that's the most incriminating, imo.	pacalo	Jun 2012	#95
Totally irrelevant in court though	hack89	Jun 2012	#96
The fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon is very relevant.	pacalo	Jun 2012	#100
To a point	hack89	Jun 2012	#101
It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman didn't stand back & allow the police to handle his complaint	pacalo	Jun 2012	#102
No doubt	hack89	Jun 2012	#103
Who committed the "first illegal act"?	pacalo	Jun 2012	#104
It is not illegal to follow and verbally confront someone	hack89	Jun 2012	#108
Just as in the Texas case, it will be clear that there would not have been a need for	pacalo	Jun 2012	#109
There are some fundamental differences though	hack89	Jun 2012	#110
Well that is really good news	UglyGreed	Jun 2012	#59
The media has been constantly saying that "Stand Your Ground" laws ...	spin	Jun 2012	#62
One case doesn't disprove the media's point	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#69
I agree. This case should be publicized...	spin	Jun 2012	#70
You can't hide murder behind any law.	ileus	Jun 2012	#68
Obviously. Just because the shooter SAID it was a stand your ground scenario did not make it so	dmallind	Jun 2012	#72
There is a false equivalency if there ever was one. Illegal parking doesn't result in the death of	upaloopa	Jun 2012	#79
And since when did analogies have to be identical? Neither did SYG laws result in this death btw	dmallind	Jun 2012	#83
Much too late, Rodriquez will find there is such a thing as living in real fear for your life.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#73
I have a sneaking suspicion that SYG only applies to Whites	catbyte	Jun 2012	#77
This has gone too far. Society has been bullied by the gun lobby to let gun nuts shoot first and	upaloopa	Jun 2012	#78
Our entire criminal justice system is based on a presumption that the defendant is innocent	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#80
Two things happened reasently that resulted in an innocent person losing his life.	upaloopa	Jun 2012	#81
No, an innocent person is dead because an idiot broke multiple laws and committed murder	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#82
You know what would be nice to hear? A gun person saying "Gee! what a tragedy that an	upaloopa	Jun 2012	#84
Something else that would be nice to hear	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#85
The shooter admitted to the shooting, and helpfully made the video.	pnwmom	Jun 2012	#106
My point is that	sarisataka	Jun 2012	#111
I suspect you would hear less of the latter if	4th law of robotics	Jun 2012	#99
A neighborhood bully who had a CHL, an arsenal of weapons and a knowledge of the law	Gothmog	Jun 2012	#86
His knowledge of the law was flawed	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#88
TYT had this as a segment earlier in the week........ I am glad TX	Smilo	Jun 2012	#93
Fuck yeah, trial by jury.	joshcryer	Jun 2012	#105

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:24 PM

JI7 (40,109 posts)

Texas jury convicts man in stand your ground case

1. good, he deserves nothing less than life in prison

2. I don't know the specifics of this case but.........

9. These SYG laws are so full of holes and open to abuse it's ridiculous

34. The original concept was sound, the execution into law a disaster.

61. As, of course, was completely predictable

53. And of course, there IS all of that. There must be an overt threat.

57. This was not a SYG case

63. You should read up on both the law and this specific case

97. But, courts need to make that clear.

92. The facts of the case are these: PersonA was having a party and making noise. PersonB did not

107. yes, it seemed more like premeditated murder

98. The specifics were certain to get him convicted.

3. Good!

4. An eye for an eye in this case.

12. an eye for an eye...

24. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!

28. Well, if I am a chicken...

36. Castle Doctrine is NOT a failure.

74. Rodriquez left his home and went outside so the castle law does not apply

87. What the hell are you talking about?

91. What does that have to do with this case?

94. Woody called Castle Doctrine a failure in post #4.

56. I don't agree with

5. I saw the video. He should have been convicted. n/t

21. Agreed. And welcome to DU!

89. I saw the video

6. I'm pleasantly surprised.

8. me too

16. Me, three.

20. I'm not. From the link, the guilty verdict was likely; it matched my years there:

7. Excellent, the jury made the right decision

10. "It's coming right for us!"

13. Jimbo would fit in well...

11. Common sense prevails. Even in Texas. n/t

14. has anyone seen if Freepers are saying anything about this ?

22. It would be interesting, but I can't go there.

25. I can

27. Then go there and bring an analysis back. Just cut out the usual vulgar hate speech.

44. i think they did, the "chirp chirp"

45. Exactly

48. Ah, crickets.

31. Who is defending Zimmerman?

60. The Freepers and people like them.

75. There are very clear differences in the two cases.

15. Good.

17. The initially released videos

41. Don't forget the part where he said that the police officer was talking about

46. I know I am usually drunk

18. Good. Wonder what would have happened without the video?

23. Probably the same verdict

30. Hope you are right, but I kind of think Post #29 makes a good point. SYG can happen anywhere.

58. As a Republican who lives in Texas and believes we have a right to self defense .....

19. His ground will be about 8'x8' square very soon.

26. Doesn't seem like a stand your ground case at all.

29. This being Texas and watching the video....

33. about as blind as it is in say Maryland

47. They do that in my state, too

43. I've been wondering that, too -- if the victim was the Hispanic guy,

76. Clearly he was convicted based on his race and not his obvious guilt

32. I think what we are witnessing is a consequence of SYG being a law

54. SYG didn't have a damn thing to do with it.

35. Which is why SYG doesn't protect Zimmerman either, IMHO.

71. +1000

37. I agree

42. There was a gun shop owner and "safety expert" who said on TV

49. He "said" the right things.

55. And wasn't evident in the video.

66. This was about someone trying to claim self-defense while standing someone ELSE'S ground

90. I don't know about the rest of the country,

38. So glad to see this. Never expected it. Gives human beings reason to hope. Thanks. n/t

39. Post over at Alternet: 5 SYG cases you should know about

40. Thanks, DiverDave. That is truly disgusting. n/t

64. I agree that the laws need to be rewritten ...

50. gun nuts ALWAYS "fear for their lives"

65. Define "gun nuts" ...

51. Same goes for Zimmerman...

52. I hope so. n/t

67. The big complication with Zimmerman is the lack of witnesses.

95. It's the big picture that's the most incriminating, imo.