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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:52 PM Apr 2016

Israeli Hold On Golan ‘Null And Void,’ UN Security Council Says

Source: Times of Israel

The UN Security Council on Tuesday rejected Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s assertion that the annexed Golan Heights in Syria would “forever” remain under Israeli control and expressed concern over his statements.

The 15-member council agreed that the status of the Golan, which Israel captured from Syria in 1967, “remains unchanged,” said Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi, who holds this month’s council presidency.

Liu recalled a 1981 resolution which states that Israel’s “decision to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration in the occupied Syrian Golan Heights was null and void and without any international legal effect.”

The council statement followed remarks made by Netanyahu earlier this month when his cabinet held a meeting in the territory, a first for an Israeli government.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-hold-on-golan-null-and-void-un-security-council-says/



Israel Will Never Leave Golan, Netanyahu Tells Putin

ime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday informed Russian President Vladimir Putin of his “red lines” regarding the security of Israel’s northern borders, and stressed that the Jewish state was determined to maintain its control of the Golan Heights.

“I have come to Russia to step up coordination on security matters, to prevent mistakes, misunderstandings,” Netanyahu said during the two leaders’ meeting in Moscow. “We are not going back to the days when rockets were fired at our communities and our children from the top of the Golan… and so, with an agreement or without, the Golan Heights will remain part of [Israel’s] sovereign territory.”


The prime minister also stressed that Israel would do “everything” in its power to block Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah from obtaining advanced weapons, and was working to assure that no new “terror front” appeared on the Golan Heights.

The issues of the Syrian civil war and the ownership of the Golan had been expected to top the agenda at the meeting. Russia has been carrying out air raids in Syria in support of embattled Syrian President Bashar Assad since September. And although Moscow recently announced it would withdraw many of its troops from the war-torn country, Russian planes still regularly fly sorties there.

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http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-will-never-leave-golan-netanyahu-tells-putin/
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Israeli Hold On Golan ‘Null And Void,’ UN Security Council Says (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2016 OP
K&R 2naSalit Apr 2016 #1
Israel doesn't abide by international law to begin with 4dsc Apr 2016 #2
+ 1 red dog 1 Apr 2016 #3
They're also the ONLY country leftynyc Apr 2016 #9
Because most other countries abide by international law 4dsc May 2016 #10
LOL - what utter BULLSHIT leftynyc May 2016 #11
This is not (FU) Fascist Underground. cpwm17 May 2016 #13
Bullshit jzodda May 2016 #15
Israel started that war. cpwm17 May 2016 #16
Bullshit Twice! jzodda May 2016 #17
That's an exceedingly dishonest characterization of 1967. Zynx May 2016 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Purveyor May 2016 #20
Oh gee leftynyc May 2016 #21
K&R...Thanks for posting, Purveyor red dog 1 Apr 2016 #4
Not sure why it's "null and void" FLPanhandle Apr 2016 #5
Syria used the Golan Heights to shell Israel. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #6
If Syria didn't want to lose the Golan ripcord Apr 2016 #7
Pretty much my sentiment on that territory Bradical79 Apr 2016 #8
Israel started that war with a "preemptive attack" against Egypt. cpwm17 May 2016 #12
You are ignoring a great deal of detail about the Six Day War. Zynx May 2016 #19
I wonder what Tibetans would say of Liu Jieyi's sentiments... Throd May 2016 #14
 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
2. Israel doesn't abide by international law to begin with
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

so this is pretty much a useless gesture.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
9. They're also the ONLY country
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

that has been ordered (by the toothless, amoral UN) to give up land they won in a war they didn't start. Perhaps you're okay with giving the golan up to whoever wins in Syria but expecting Israel to hand it over to al assad or isis is simply madness that wouldn't be asked of any other country. Fuck the UN.

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
10. Because most other countries abide by international law
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:19 AM
May 2016

and don't keep the land they won in war. There is a difference.

Fuck Israel of this matter.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. LOL - what utter BULLSHIT
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:26 AM
May 2016

Do you live in the US? Remember learning about that little war called the War of Independence? Are we part of the UK these days?Your post was probably the most inane piece of tripe I've ever seen on DU.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
13. This is not (FU) Fascist Underground.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016

Liberals don't support taking territory conquered in war.

Israel did start the war in 1967, in a "preemptive attack" against Egypt. In the civilized world, that is call an aggressive war.

Israel found an excuse to start an aggressive war to conquer more territory, which they did. The "settlers" soon followed, exposing the real motive for Israel's aggressive war.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
15. Bullshit
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

Syria attacked them and lost. They should have to pay for that, even though they lost. I would and I am sure they are- never giving up that territory whether you like it or not.

Syria is soon to split apart anyway. It may never be a unified nation ever again.

Bullshit twice about territory conquered in war. Who are you to decide what liberals stand for? I am liberal and support Israel keeping Golan. Too fucking bad.....

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
16. Israel started that war.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:37 PM
May 2016

It was an aggressive war by Israel.

Typical Israel supporter: you support stealing by atrocity – fuck morals.

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
17. Bullshit Twice!
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

From Wiki

1967

"Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had defeated the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

1972

"The war began when the Arab coalition launched a joint surprise attack on Israeli positions in the Israeli-occupied territories on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism, which also occurred that year during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.[55] Egyptian and Syrian forces crossed ceasefire lines to enter the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights respectively."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
18. That's an exceedingly dishonest characterization of 1967.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

The whole world was waiting for the Egyptian and Syrian attack on Israel. Jews in America were flying to Israel to defend it as the tension built. Israel determined that it was best to strike first so they could fight the war on their terms considering how outnumbered they were.

Literally any credible historian of that period would dispute your characterization.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #9)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. Oh gee
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:55 PM
May 2016

I haven't seen someone rail against the creation of the Jewish state - right after half the world's Jews were annihilated - in quite some time. Usually have to go to stormfront for that kind of thing. How special seeing it on a site supposedly catering to liberals.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
4. K&R...Thanks for posting, Purveyor
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

Netanyahu & Putin have a lot in common.

They're both war-mongers & bullies who don't seem to want peace.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
5. Not sure why it's "null and void"
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:22 PM
Apr 2016

Syria lost the Golan Heights in a war. European countries traded territory back and forth with each war. Borders changed when territory was taken.

Hell, China is building man made islands and annexing the surrounding seas, they aren't ones to talk.

The US did the same after the US-Mexican War. I don't think we will be returning California to Mexico because a UN committee says to do so.


JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
6. Syria used the Golan Heights to shell Israel.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

After Syria went to war against Israel (with their ally Egypt), Israel won against both countries, and seized the Golan Heights. I don't think Israel "owes" the Heights to Syria.

It's been part of Israel since that '67 war.

Much as I dislike Benjamin Netanyahu, I think he's right on this.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
8. Pretty much my sentiment on that territory
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

If you use it to shell your enemies, then lose the war, you probably aren't going to get that territory back.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
12. Israel started that war with a "preemptive attack" against Egypt.
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:15 AM
May 2016

Syria had a defense pact with Egypt and came to Egypt's defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

Relations between Israel and its neighbours had never fully normalised following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. In the period leading up to June 1967, tensions became dangerously heightened. In reaction to the mobilisation of Egyptian forces along the Israeli border in the Sinai Peninsula, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields. The Egyptians were caught by surprise, and nearly the entire Egyptian air force was destroyed with few Israeli losses, giving the Israelis air superiority. Simultaneously, the Israelis launched a ground offensive into the Gaza Strip and the Sinai, which again caught the Egyptians by surprise. After some initial resistance, Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser ordered the evacuation of the Sinai. Israeli forces rushed westward in pursuit of the Egyptians, inflicted heavy losses, and conquered the Sinai.

Nasser induced Syria and Jordan to begin attacks on Israel by using the initially confused situation to claim that Egypt had defeated the Israeli air strike. Israeli counterattacks resulted in the seizure of East Jerusalem as well as the West Bank from the Jordanians, while Israel's retaliation against Syria resulted in its occupation of the Golan Heights.


There was history between Israel and Egypt before 1967: including Israel's naked aggression against Egypt in 1956, the conquering (stealing) of the original territory from the Arabs in 1947 and 1948, and the founders of Israel conducting the Palestinian Nakba in 1947 and 1948 and beyond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

The Suez Crisis, also named the Tripartite Aggression and the Kadesh Operation, was an invasion of Egypt in late 1956 by Israel, followed by the United Kingdom and France. The aims were to regain Western control of the Suez Canal and to remove Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser from power. After the fighting had started, the United States, the Soviet Union, and the United Nations forced the three invaders to withdraw. The episode humiliated Great Britain and France and strengthened Nasser.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day

During the 1948 Palestine war, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled, and hundreds of Palestinian towns and villages were depopulated and destroyed.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
19. You are ignoring a great deal of detail about the Six Day War.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

Egypt had closed the Straits of Tiran, which was an aggressive act, prior to the war. Israel had made it clear that this would be viewed as a prelude to war.

Nasser made it clear that he intended to wipe out Israel and had massed his army to attack, even though it was poorly prepared to do so.

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