Sanders flies home to Vermont

[onehandle]

Source: Politico

Sen. Bernie Sanders took a flight home to Vermont Tuesday night as he lost the New York Democratic primary to Hillary Clinton.

Sanders spoke at length at a rally at Pennsylvania State University's University Park early Tuesday evening, before New York polls closed.

Sanders' decision to hold campaign events in Pennsylvania, the most delegate rich state next up on the Democratic primary calendar, suggested he didn't expect to win New York — though at the rally, he suggested his campaign would do better than expected in the state.

"Now the polls don't close there until 9 pm so we don't know who is going to be winning or losing but you know what? We're going to do a lot better, I think, than people thought we would," Sanders said during his rally speech.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/bernie-sanders-vermont-new-york-primary-night-222178

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Grim.

[Indydem]

1. Bye-Bye Bernie.

Back to the life of (I-VT) after tearing apart the party that you were never a member of, or did anything for.

Stay there, and shut your trap.

[annie48]

5. Corporation free for all - Yeah Hillary!

Broke up the Democratic Party. What have you been smoking? The party has been broken and nonfunctional since the 80's when they created the dlc and added super delegates so that less desirables wouldn't have a chance for the nomination. Less desirables meaning anyone who bucked the establishment. Wake up, you are part of the problem not the solution.

[pnwmom]

28. "Less desirables" meaning candidates who could lose 49 states. n/t

[annie48]

33. Less desirables meaning.....

Less desirables meaning any grassroots group candidate that has the support of the majority of the American people. It's not about who the people want anymore, it's about how much money you have when you run for office. The dems were sickened when Romney ran because he was so far from an average person. Well how is Hillary why different? She made 11 million in speaking fees to wall street and others. She no longer represents the average person, period. To sure she ever did.

[pnwmom]

34. President Obama was a grassroots candidate who won the support of the majority of the people.

And so was Bill Clinton. He helped pull the party together from the wreckage after 8 years of Reagan and Bush.

[annie48]

39. Yes, initially Obama was grassroots and then he surrounded himself by wall street CEOs

[Ned_Devine]

50. Exactamundo!

[840high]

78. .+1

[ananda]

124. And yet they have governed like moderate corporate Reeps.

A bit left socially, but totally corporate otherwise.

I'll take Sanders any day!

[pandr32]

110. The "majority of the American people"

...have been supported Sec. Clinton who is millions of votes up on Bernie.
By the way, over the period that included her paid speaking fees, the Clintons gave $15 million to charity.
Bernie Sanders has been outspending Hillary Clinton during this election by at least 2 to 1.

[rpannier]

57. You do realize he polls better than HRC against Republicans

So my question is, "Of what 49 states do you speak?"
If you are trying to make a link between Sanders and Mondale, that was 32 years ago
The world has changed dramatically in 3 decades

[pnwmom]

60. I realize that the Rethugs have been directing all their fire at HRC and virtually none at him.

They are salivating at the prospect of facing him in the general. His supporters would be in for a rude awakening. The same people who turned John Kerry, a war hero, into a coward; and Barack Obama into a communist from Kenya are perfectly capable of beating up Sanders.

Hillary has shown she can stand up to an attack from their national machine and Bernie hasn't. So the polls don't factor this in yet. But they would, and very soon.

[TimeToEvolve]

65. where have you been for the last 2 decades!

hillary will become a magnet for all sorts of scandal. You don't think the RePugs know how to undo Hillary?? you are naive.

[pnwmom]

68. I agree. And she's withstood all that fake scandal. The Rethugs have been driven crazy

by the Clintons, and by the Obamas.

In the avowed "Democratic Socialist," the Vermont Senator who "honeymooned" in Russia and gave speeches in Cuba (before we had relations with Cuba), they see a much easier target.

[TimeToEvolve]

69. ten bucks says

when the rubber meets the road, she'll fold faster than superman on laundry day. as i've said in previous comments

[DemocracyDirect]

90. She's withstood what?

She's only been elected to one elected position.

And that was in a state where in today's primary Bernie Sanders nearly equaled the number of votes for all Republican candidates combined .. in a losing effort.

You are right she's withstood criminal indictment so far...

[stopbush]

75. So. What.

Dems don't like him. He isn't going to be the nominee. The smart money has know that since he lost NV.

[rpannier]

83. So. What. (WTM)

You didn't address the issue
Some people have been pushing the 1984 and 1972 meme to death
The world has moved drastically in that time -- That's the So. and the What.
And you know Dems don't like him how exactly?
Have you polled the party membership or are you just making your own assertion based on what you (and maybe some people around you) think?
If you have done the polling please share
If you are referring to the numbers of people who have voted as being some sort of indictment against Sanders, I would disagree.
I voted for Sanders in Dem Abroad, not against HRC.
I don't dislike her, nor do I have anything against her.
Most of my friends voted Clinton. They like Sanders, but they prefer her to him.
I realize that they are my friends and they number only about 60 people.

So... as I said... if you have that poll where Democrats have said they don't like Sanders, feel free to share it

[JDPriestly]

86. Actually, Democrats do like him. It's Hillary that many Democrats (like me) really do not like.

[stopbush]

98. See below:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-and-the-endless-useless-enthusiasm-debate/

[JDPriestly]

113. The Washington Post is professionally pro-Clinton.

I would not even bother to read anything they say about Clinton or Bernie.

[stopbush]

114. How are those blinders? Nice and secure?

The WP article cites a Gallup poll that shows that Clinton supporters are more-enthusiastic than are Sanders voters. So, is Gallup also "professionally pro-Clinton?"

[JDPriestly]

115. Quite possibly. I used to be one of the people they polled until I told them I did not want them

to poll me because when they did the NSA was watching and listening. There are probably a lot of people like me who disapprove the NSA spying and stopped answering polls for that reason.

[stopbush]

116. And...that is skewing the polls?

Wow!

You need a hat to go with those blinders.

[Demsrule86]

100. I do not like Bernie

I am a Democrat....he is not.

[MADem]

117. Before people learn about his pervy writings from his thirties, and the fact that he never

held a steady job until he was forty, he polls well. Once they learn the details of his life, not so much.

Then people think less of him.

He doesn't get better the more one gets to know him. He sounds great at first blush, and then, once getting down in the weeds, one realizes that a) He hasn't done much in over a third of a century in politics, b) He talks a great game, can complain mightily, but offers no real practical solutions to anything and c) He attracts a cadre of people who like to find the negative in anything and everything.

He's just a flash in the pan. A quirky rabble rouser with no workable plans.

[rpannier]

118. Let me make sure we're talking about the same guy

Are we both talking about the guy that HRC supporters said wouldn't win anymore than one or two states?
The guy who would they said would lose Michigan?
The guy who her supporters wouldn't have any affect on her or her campaign?
That guy?
Because if you're talking about Sanders, he's the guy who barely registered a blip back in early fall. Was the guy who, according to the polls, would lose Michigan. The guy who, in many states, was 20, 30, 50 percent behind in the polls and won in some, came close in others and lost in some as well
Seems the more people heard of him and from him the more he rose in the polls and national esteem

[MADem]

123. This isn't about Hillary supporters.

Frankly, if they'd spoken up and started shitflinging the way Sanders' supporters do, he'd have been gone months ago.

You could run Bozo the Clown and he'd barely be a blip a year ago. With time comes recognition.

Many of his supporters are not Democrats. That's just a fact. For many of his supporters, the alternative is TRUMP, and always has been. He is a candidate between the parties, for assorted reasons. He said, from the get-go, that he wanted to energize the "white working man" to vote for him, and he has done that.

Frankly, his "esteem" has taken a hit with me. I'm not alone, either, I don't think.

It doesn't matter at the end of the day. It's becoming clear that, no matter what he does, no matter how much name-calling, shitflinging, personal invective, or nastiness his "team" issues forth, that he's not going to be the nominee. And all the HIDES and insults in the world won't change that fact.

I'll wait until he figures it out. Hopefully he won't wait until he's crossed his own personal Rubicon.

I just hope his supporters aren't ripped off too badly. One doesn't want to dissuade people from supporting the process.

[JDPriestly]

85. Bernie outpolls Hillary against all of the potential Republican candidates.

Hillary will not win the Southern states that are the mainstay of her delegate count.

[pnwmom]

87. That's because the Rethugs have been holding back most of their attack dogs,

hoping desperately that they would be facing him in the General.

Do you know what percent of Democratic voters in the South -- the South that Bernie dismissed as not progressive enough -- are African American? In Mississippi it's 71%. But it's not just Southern state black people who support Hillary. In New York three times as many black people voted for Hillary as Bernie.

So what propelled her win in the South is the same thing that will propel her in the General -- her strong support among minority voters. This was first evidenced in the South, but has been repeated in every primary since then. Bernie hasn't carried African American voters in a single state -- not even Vermont.

President Obama beat Romney even though Romney carried both white men and white women. It was minority voters who ensured Obama's election, and they're going to do the same thing for Hillary. (Though she will probably carry white women, too; she has been so far.)

[JDPriestly]

88. Are you saying that the Democratic Party is the party of minority voters?

Are you saying that what the white voters think doesn't matter in the Democratic Party?

I don't get your gist. Please explain.

I am as much a Democrat as any Southern Democrat, and my state is at most just barely 1/2 white. In California, racial differences are not so important. So Hillary will have to compete on some basis other than race in California. Here, the environment, the minimum wage and economic issues including Social Security and legalization of marijuana (not to me but to many other Californians that is a big issue) are important. Those are not big issues in the South to my knowledge.

I think that voters of all races are important in the Democratic Party and that we have to work together.

We all have dreams. Police brutality and racism are big issues in California -- for voters of all races. White people in California are just as outraged about these issues as are voters who are not white. It's just a different scene when it comes to race in California. So that may not be such a big issue here.

California lost a lot in the 2008 crash. It really hurt us. Many lost their homes. Student loans are also a big problem out here. Our state colleges and universities pre-Reagan were tuition-free. Reagan changed that. The Clinton revolution or deformation of the Democratic Party was not good for California. So the issues are a bit different here than in New York State.

Immigration is a big, big issue here. We do not like to see hardworking, wonderful, loving families divided up when dad or mom is sent back to somewhere and the children who are born here and are citizens stay here. We want families to be reunited.

I recently attended an arts show of portraits of Bernie. One of the best was done by a dreamer. We have a lot of very talented young people who are dreamers.

The issues here are not what they are in other parts of the country. And Bernie has come down very well on the issues that will matter here. I think he will do as well here as he has in other Pacific Coast states.

[pnwmom]

89. I'm not sure that Hispanic or African American Californians would agree with you that

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"racial differences are not so important." That isn't true of those I know. Discrimination is still a real problem everywhere, even in sunny California.

Have you ever seen this movie? It's based on a true story, in that special state of California. Except it's not so special for everyone. White people may get just as outraged by police brutality -- I'll take your word on that. But they are not as often the victims of it.

http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/20130719__Fruitvale_Station___Gritty_life_of_a_young_black_man_killed_by_police.html

[6000eliot]

49. Maybe the best way to get Democrats to vote for you ISN'T

to accuse their party of being corrupt? Who knew?

[Silver_Witch]

59. Maybe the best way to get...

...people to vote for you in the General Election is not to bash, smash and degenerate them right?

[6000eliot]

64. I've seen plenty of Hillary bashing, but not much else.

None of it has had the least effect on my support for her. I always like Bernie very much, but these attacks on Hillary's supporters, of whom I am one, and on the Democratic Party, of which I have proudly been a lifelong member, have started to really piss me off. I think he has a bad campaign manager who is advising him wrongly and needs to be fired.

[Silver_Witch]

82. And likewise - I have seen some very ugly comments..

to me a lifelong Dem (over 40 years voting same). It seems as if both sides have their haters and ugliness. It seems to me that when I post what I see as perfectly good reasons for NOT voting for Hillary all I get is personal attacks - nothing on to counter my statement. It is very sad to see it so.

[Feeling the Bern]

62. Yes, because DWS and HRC are just the symbols of non-corruption

Let's see. . .DWS actively works with the GOP to defeat Democrats and HRC gives secret speeches for her corporate sponsors.

Yeah, corruption is only a Republican issue.

Party over principle is what this election has become.

[Feeling the Bern]

67. Stay classy there.

[840high]

80. Hillary is corrupt.

[Still In Wisconsin]

6. He really and truly does need to shut up.

No speaking slot at the convention, and no role in creating the party platform. Hillary should see that he is defeated in his next election for Senate after all the things he's said about her.

[Indydem]

8. Not just her!

The party, President Obama, and everyone in between.

He is a terrible human being who took advantage of the party infrastructure to hurt the party itself.

[turbinetree]

42. Really.............................

how is he a terrible person and his supporters, what would make you say that........................ and as for keeping us from the convention are you really serious, do you fully understand the process.

Do you understand that the delegates count is this from the NY Times.............................

"With 247 delegates at stake, Clinton will pick up at least 135. Sanders will win at least 104. Eight remain to be allocated pending final vote tallies."


Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Ned_Devine]

52. This is how nasty these fuckers are. Are you reading this?

These people are democrats? My fucking ass they are. What nasty divisive assholes you are.

[Beartracks]

71. Word. n/t

[turbinetree]

92. What I had read from the previous forum thread writers, and looking through...................

and seeing the "gloating" from what is called "democrats" in this thread, and all of the jury duties and such and like I said, reading the gloating, just reinforces my position for Sanders.

After watching my BlackHawks in there quest for another Stanley Cup, I turned my attention to what was going on in NY, and on MSNBC, that panel gab fest was revolting, they made it look like a coronation, and they were all smacking there collective gums, trying to set up today's head lines>

And then to only give half truths of how they want to continue the mantra of what Thomas Frank is basically saying in his book Listen, Liberal, that the New Democrat professionals want to continue with inequality in all of its disastrous forms------------------it is amazing--------------------and it is just so wrong.

And a caveat , Just like in Frank's book on the pages in Chapter 5, it is amazing, in its reading and what is transpiring from the past through today------------------it is amazing, the shell game continues




Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

97. Nasty and vile. Clinton=Hero, Bernie=traitor. They really believe that. Bizzaro world is here.

I wonder how smug they will be when Bernie supporters stay home and Hillary loses to Herr Drumpf!

[Sunlei]

107. IMO, they're anti-Hillary Republicans, bitter over being Trumped by their own republican baggers.

[Ned_Devine]

112. That's an interesting take

Can you explain more?

[Beartracks]

120. If true, I hope they're not remaking the Dem party in their conservative tradition.

Oh, wait...



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[Silver_Witch]

61. Honk Honk Honkety Honk

Enjoying my popcorn while the watching the Hillary Supporters implode with glee.

[turbinetree]

96. I just don't get it......................my rant..............

and I am not naive in any respect.................................but to gloat, without not knowing the process, is amazing...............

We, Democratic -Socialist supporters are going to be at the table at the convention-------------end of story, the "New Democrats" may not like it, but we are here--------------



I truly believe that if people read some books and magazines like "Dark Money", Whats the Matter with Kansas, Listen, Liberal, Read the Fine Print, Harper's Magazine, The Progressive, American Prospect, The Nation, they could then put two and two together and see that what they are being "told" is not what is being fact.

Thomas Franks, Listen , Liberal Chapter 5 is amazing-----------------it was items that I had forgotten about, and it reinforced my vote on why I support Sanders, and throughout his book its shows how "New Democrats" are still using "inequality" as a mantra for the money agenda, and what the "professionals" in the book want-------------its like using a shell game on the street, they say one thing and tell you to do something to make yourself better, but then hire professionals to do another, to undermine what you where just being told to do to get yourself out of inequality, and then blaming you the person in inequality has being the
problem---- ------------amazing

Like I said earlier to another thread writer who commented on what I said:

I watched my BlackHawks, and then went to MSNBC, and the smacking of the collective gums by this panel, the gloating, and the mantra of deceit basically coming out of the collective mouth, it was like it was a coronation, and was completely disingenuous, they are what Frank calls the professionals from both parties, they talk the status quo, the shell game to continue.

Honk--------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[rockfordfile]

35. Cut the republican crap

[rockfordfile]

40. Like I said cut the republican crap. Clearly you're a right wing troll

[Scootaloo]

41. Hi there. You're getting good advice. Maybe heed it?

[WIProgressive88]

43. Jesus. The amount of hate in some of you Clinton supporters is comparable to the Trump backers.

Absolutely disgusting.

[leftynyc]

111. That you don't see the same

from your own side shows how divisive this season has become. I see plenty of acrimony on both sides. I've been called some disgusting names by Bernie supporters and particularly one that I find repulsive that is quite prolific in posting.

[newthinking]

81. OMG. Bleeding for the hurt feelings

MY party has not served their constituents well in recent years by tryinng to server "two masters" (The People (some) and Money (a LOT)). They deserve TRUTH and criticism. If they react in such a manner they will do nothing but hurt the party further.

[Silver_Witch]

58. Spoken like a true Hillary Supporter

Now you encourage corruption in making sure he is not re-elected for the Senate.

You are one of the worst.

[rpannier]

84. You do realize by party rules, she cannot keep him off the platform committee

if he has 25% or more of the delegates
It's called the Minority Report
Under Democratic Party rules any candidate with 25% or more of the delegates automatically gets proportional representation on the Platform Committee as delegates they hold.
If he has 33% of the delegates, he gets 33% of the members
Also, under party rules, they can contest anything in the platform and try and insert anything into they wish.
They are entitled to bring everything they want to add or remove to the convention floor for open discussion and vote by all delegates there

That is how the Civil Rights platform got added to the Democratic Party platform in 1948... even though then-President Harry S Truman opposed adding it
Sen Humphrey gave an excellent speech in support

So your hope of totally locking him out is likely not going to happen

on edit:
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/huberthumphey1948dnc.html

That's his speech at the 48 Convention. It has both the speech and the text

[alarimer]

94. You people have your heads in the sand

You truly do. Sure, just ignore all the things he's been saying and watch Trump win, because at least he's addressing them, if in the wrong ways. I will laugh.

[Sunlei]

106. I expect Senator Sanders to stay in through every State and through the entire nomination process.

Speaking at every occasion, including our convention.

Only Republican-Baggers play the 'ruin a good person 'game'' and tell people to shut-up.

[k8conant]

11. Totally rude and untrue.

[riversedge]

19. It is mild compared to some of the things said to and about Hillary on this board

[vercetti2021]

12. Oh please

That's the biggest crock of shit I've ever read.

[mwooldri]

21. Where's the alert thingy on the mobile site?

Not that I'd use it but this came close for me.

Bernie not a Democrat? Maybe he'd be better off caucusing with the Republicans considering he does nothing for the Democrats? Of course I'm being sarcastic.... for a supposed "non-Democrat" he sure walks and talks abd ACTS like one. Though not in the "New Democrats" mold that Bill Clinton adopted, and that Hillary Clinton is continuing. Sorry, no Tony Blair type policies for me. Though it's much better than Thatcherism on steroids.

[Beartracks]

44. I also go more for actions and policies than labels.

The whole "he's not a Democrat!!!11!!" thing is stupid.

You know your atheist friend who's more Christian than even your church-going bible-thumping neighbor? Yeah -- it's like that.

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[WIProgressive88]

47. Excellent post.

The behavior of the Clinton supporters here and elsewhere tonight has been very telling and reflects poorly on their candidate of choice. Certainly not a group of people who know how to be humble in victory.

[alarimer]

95. Yes, indeed.

It's striking to me how these so-called progressives have abandoned all progressive positions that reflect badly on Clinton. Suddenly, making voting easier (in New York) is a bad thing, because it would mean allowing people to vote who might not vote for your choice, or who might not be in the club, officially.

Honestly, they cannot see what is wrong with the Democratic Party because they are so blinded either by hate for Bernie or winning at all costs. Now, I don't think Bernie or anyone else has all the answers, but what is clear to me is that more and more people are not registering for either political party because they are sick of politics as usual. The Republicans are toxic, of course. But the Democrats have also lost their way. And much of that responsibility belongs to the first Clinton administration.

I honestly don't know what I will do in November. I think it might depend on how close the election is in my state. I cannot stomach Hillary (really, more that I cannot stomach what she represents).

[FarPoint]

27. Hahahaha

I have to agree.

[rockfordfile]

32. I don't think so

He can say anything he wants to.

[Feeling the Bern]

51. PArty over principle. I guess it's time to purge Democrats from the party that dared to support

Bernie Sanders.

Gotta love that Center-Right candidate.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

99. Then we have President Trump. Another bright idea.

[Feeling the Bern]

119. Apparently a lot of HRC supporters think she can win without Bernie supporters or independent voters

[Lean]

91. I Think You Are Correct...

Perhaps Bernie Should Run As An Independent Against Hillary and Trump in the General Election. Surely, she and Mr. Trump will get their clocks
cleaned.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

104. Bye-Bye Hillary. Without us, you will lose to Trump. It's your destiny and your due.

[creeksneakers2]

2. Why did he fly home?

Some of the Republicans visited home before they quit.

[Thinkingabout]

3. I am happy for Hillary, we have a nomination to win and then a GE.

[vercetti2021]

15. Wow

Wat to get the youth and independent vote. By telling us to crawl back into our holes. True mind of a Hillary supporter.

[Andy823]

25. I am not a big fan

Of some of the Bernie supporters on DU, but you sound just as bad as they do when you spew crap like this.

[Beartracks]

46. ^^^ This. ^^^

[WIProgressive88]

45. It's really something, isn't it? For all the whining about the behavior of "Bernie Bros" that we've

seen during this election, the Clinton supporters have been no saints either. And yet, they're given a pass...

[k8conant]

14. If she can win it fairly,

I will concede the "Democratic Party" to her and know that it's really "Republican Light".

[CoffeeCat]

4. Yes, because his internal polling showed them doing well

And the initial exit polling had Hillary winning NY by only four points.

The central, exit polling question, "Who did you vote for Bernie or Hillary?" has the race at 4 percent.

This is unsettling.

Does anyone know if the initial exit polling that CNN did--happened in a certain part of New York? In one area? Or was it conducted all over the state?

I notice that CNN has made no mention of that 4 percent exit polling.

[GoneFishin]

7. Maybe people were confused by the question "Who did you vote for Bernie or Hillary?" and just gave

the wrong answer 60% of the time.

What a fucking corrupt system. It's a perfect for Hillary.

[msongs]

10. I notice that when sanders loses it is always because he was cheated cheated cheated nt

[k8conant]

16. Are you implying that there was no cheating just because Hillary is the presumed winner?

[riversedge]

23. Prove that there was any cheating!

[k8conant]

24. It's in the courts and the election commission right now...

I'm not in New York.

Prove Hillary didn't back Wall Street in her speeches!

[annie48]

37. Just like prove that the Goldman Sachs money would influence her...pathetic.

[CoffeeCat]

17. You know what...

I would be disappointed to the core--if Bernie had lost by 15, 20 points in NY.

However, we've got Bernie's own internal polling showing that this was a close race. He mentioned at his PA rally that they were going to do well. Better than people were thinking. I think Bernie saw exactly what CNN's exit polling showed--that this was a very close race. CNN showed it a 4-point advantage for Clinton.

Furthermore, Bernie knew that he was doing extremely well in upstate New York. Losing in a close race--but winning in most of those counties, would have made the delegate count possibly go in his favor.

Something seems off. I'm sorry, but we've seen cheating throughout this primary. It happened in my own state. And believe me, I can live with losses. It's very, very hard to volunteer, donate money, put your heart into something and feel like a very corrupt person is stealing their way to some wins.

I would much RATHER not feel that way. Believe me.

But how can you ignore that highly accurate internal polling and CNN exit polling did not match with the final result, and was off by 10+ points?

[beastie boy]

29. Quick! Release the lawyers!

Bernie's internal pollsters ought to sue the NY Board of Elections and demand an adjustment of the election results to match their projections.

Clearly, DWS rigged it for Hillary!

[glinda]

30. Multiple issues coming out of nowhere = National disaster.

The apparent massive discrepancies, issues and missing voters as well as changed Parties has begun the cycle to totally destroy our Country. The PTB will have to just blatantly take over or face insurgence by the population. No putting this genie back in the bottle now. We are at a Planetary crisis point and given that games are being played, only a fool would sit this one out.

[Beartracks]

48. Remember when all DUers thought this stuff was fishy back when Bush won?

Just asking.

Republicans did the fake shrug that time and claimed that all that polling was just "guessing," that it wasn't scientific, etc.

I don't remember any Democrat taking that "meh, whatcha gonna do" nose-thumbing response without justifiable suspicion or anger.

My, how times have changed. Not only has technology improved to make such polling even MORE accurate than 12 years ago... but a lot of Democrats now don't seem to care so much about these important discrepancies. Many are even doing the nose-thumbing.

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[w4rma]

54. The fact that you insist that Bush won and also that Hillary's margin is accurate, tells me all that

I need to know about Clinton's neoconservative supporters.

Maybe you should read up on the history of exactly WHEN and WHY DemocraticUnderground was built?

[Beartracks]

70. I think you misunderstood me.

Of course Bush "won." But I was technically referring to 2004.

And, I was trying to explain why the accuracy of Hillary's margin SHOULD BE suspect: because so much internal polling and exit polling says it was slimmer than the "official" reported margin, even though such polling is pretty damn accurate, even more so than 12 years ago.

If no Dems accepted those discrepancies 12 years ago, then some shouldn't shrug it off now just because "their" candidate was the beneficiary.

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[w4rma]

73. Awesome. Thanks! (nt)

[silvershadow]

13. Historically accurate exit polling took a nosedive just as soon as the software was perfected.

At one time, right here on DU, it was gospel, backed up by all the factual evidence you might need. Of course, the river of time has erased much of what we were just a few short years ago.

Those who forget their past are doomed to repeat it. I think I am safe in saying, we and our children are doomed. And not just on this issue, either.

**Disclaimer: Not valid until Bernie drops out or otherwise releases me to vote my conscience.

[beastie boy]

22. Proud Brooklyn native Bernie Sanders flies home... to not Brooklyn.

At least this charade is over...

[Feeling the Bern]

55. I'm a Native New Yorker and my home is now in Arizona. People can't move in their lives

You people are really doing a bang up job uniting the party. You need our votes too. All this gloating and insulting because we dared challenge the queen and the coronation is really making me look third party or stay home completely.

Why should I give my cherished vote to a candidate who doesn't seem to have any desire to earn it and thinks I will just vote for her because the alternative is just so odious?

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

103. You really want all the Bernie supporters to vote for Trump, don't you?

Just nasty vile shit spewing all over the place. You are in for a rude awakening.

[RandySF]

26. I bet he fires Weaver

[geek tragedy]

38. Sinking ship fires captain nt

[NanceGreggs]

56. He should have done that ages ago.

It's too little too late now.

[Surya Gayatri]

72. Bleak times for the Bern. High tailing it back home says it all.

[stopbush]

76. He's home. That's a guarantee that he'll release his 2015 tax return as promised.

[Surya Gayatri]

77. Yeah, I thought of that, too. Any day now!

[lancer78]

74. Am I the only one

getting major Clinton fatigue tonight?

[Surya Gayatri]

79. Yeah, you may be... and don't forget:

[Gamecock Lefty]

93. Carole King had been campaigning for Hillary in New York . . .

Maybe she can serenade Bernie with "It's Too Late" as he flies back to VT?

Fly, fly away!

[Demsrule86]

101. I saw Carol King the musical in Cleveland last week

She is amazing...I did not know she and her first husband wrote so many songs including you've lost that loving feeling which I first heard when watching Top Gun.

[dmosh42]

102. Happy time for Wall St! Clinton & Trump, they can't lose!

[Sunlei]

105. Congrats to Mrs. Clinton. Thank you Senator Sanders, you did very well.

Onward to the next States.

[pandr32]

108. He flew home all right, but without any warning stranded his press

Yep--left them behind scrambling to figure out how to find their own individual ways back without any prior notice.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/19/1517713/-Sanders-Returns-to-Vermont-Strands-National-Press

[onehandle]

109. Yep.

Grim.

[Unicorn]

121. Isn't he still a Senator of Vermont?

Maybe he had an emergency?

[Unicorn]

122. I will take him at his word that he does need to recharge and have a day off, and will be back.

"When he landed Sanders told local Vermont reporters that he was coming back to Burlington "to get recharged and take a day off."

He also said he still believed he has a path to victory and that he expected to do well in the next set of states
"