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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original post)	tawadi	Jun 2012	OP
If he caught the molester in the act the father will likely be OK	bluestateguy	Jun 2012	#1
Hope the father is not charged. eom	tawadi	Jun 2012	#2
That's exactly what justifiable homicide laws are.	TheWraith	Jun 2012	#4
He should have to prove he caught the molester in the act or it's just plane murder. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#22
He took his daughter to the hospital to check her for physical injuries.	boppers	Jun 2012	#33
Agree.	AngryOldDem	Jun 2012	#63
No grand jury will indict this guy.	MrSlayer	Jun 2012	#3
A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#18
Ham sandwiches are rarely accused of murdering somebody accused of trying to molest their daughter.	boppers	Jun 2012	#34
"Murder" has a specific definition. This isn't it. He didn't murder anyone.	Xithras	Jun 2012	#65
I'm a pacifist. And I have this to say:	Happyhippychick	Jun 2012	#5
absolutely	shanti	Jun 2012	#24
Simple case of justifiable homicide, if I ever heard of one. nt	daaron	Jun 2012	#6
Cool...	StateApparatus	Jun 2012	#7
And the Murderer in the case you cite, was convicted of FIRST DEGREE MURDER	happyslug	Jun 2012	#10
Hey brainac	SGMRTDARMY	Jun 2012	#19
According to one witness.	tabasco	Jun 2012	#20
Do you understand the term "allegedly" ?	demwing	Jun 2012	#35
"Brainiac"	EX500rider	Jun 2012	#76
Charges...	deathrind	Jun 2012	#8
the child was screaming and her father heard her	shanti	Jun 2012	#25
you can indeed take the law into your own hands, its called self defense	Bacchus4.0	Jun 2012	#56
So you protect your kid ....	uberblonde	Jun 2012	#9
He hit the guy until the guy gave up.	boppers	Jun 2012	#36
And he is remorseful as well.	AngryOldDem	Jun 2012	#64
Heck Yeah!	neovente	Jun 2012	#70
charges should be filed.	iamthebandfanman	Jun 2012	#11
I just hope there is real substance behind what the father saw...	Blue_Tires	Jun 2012	#12
Or maybe he caught his daughter telling the neighbor about dad molesting her.	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#13
Damn you.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#23
I'll bet many of those same people also read the story of the...	Poll_Blind	Jun 2012	#38
To the simpler mind, quick revenge is more important than justice.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#52
Yeah, people here are just so quick to applaud a father for defending his daughter	HotRodTuna	Jun 2012	#77
Is this Sharia Law? nt	postulater	Jun 2012	#14
Way to ruin your child's life.	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#15
I've heard that rape of a four-year-old can also lead to problems later in life..	Psephos	Jun 2012	#30
He wasn't forced to choose.	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#32
I didn't say he was.	Psephos	Jun 2012	#42
"the civil, rational moment"?	boppers	Jun 2012	#50
Sarcasm. :)	Psephos	Jun 2012	#54
Well, maybe I'm a cold bitch then.	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#72
I see, he should have gently pulled the pervert off his daughter and admonish him	Beacool	Jun 2012	#59
Oh, yea, that's exactly what I said.	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#66
Idiot, yourself.	Beacool	Jun 2012	#68
"Deserves death? I daresay	WheelWalker	Jun 2012	#16
Those who fear death cannot seek justice in life.	boppers	Jun 2012	#49
Can't say I blame him.	Odin2005	Jun 2012	#17
I keep coming back to that Assistant Coach at Penn State who left that little kid with his abuser.	davsand	Jun 2012	#21
I think the word 'allegedly' is in the wrong place in the subject line	Skittles	Jun 2012	#26
Yeah,...I noticed that too.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#28
and the victim ALLEGEDLY molested the child	Skittles	Jun 2012	#29
You have a point there.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#31
look at the responses in this thread	Skittles	Jun 2012	#40
I know.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#45
Allegedly kills man.	boppers	Jun 2012	#37
Okay, that's another twist.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#43
To be fair, as I understand it, he hit the guy until his opponent went limp.	boppers	Jun 2012	#46
...he hit the guy until his opponent went limp.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#47
Tacky and clever, but not biologically average.	boppers	Jun 2012	#48
This message was self-deleted by its author	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2012	#44
Hard for me to shed any tears for dead child molesters.	BlueIris	Jun 2012	#27
The bloodthirst in this thread sucks	demwing	Jun 2012	#39
I HEAR YOU	Skittles	Jun 2012	#41
If you can live in a world where being accused of child molestation is considered rational, you lose	boppers	Jun 2012	#51
To avoid future strawmen arguments, no one wants to live in a world	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#55
We'll never know, will we?	demwing	Jun 2012	#57
As I said above, to some, quick revenge is more important than justice.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#53
A neighbor down the street	revolution breeze	Jun 2012	#61
It really isn't vengeance. It's biological instinct.	Xithras	Jun 2012	#62
Very well said. n/t	Psephos	Jun 2012	#67
I agree that protecting your child is instinctual	demwing	Jun 2012	#73
"Allegedly" killed a man?	mainer	Jun 2012	#58
The father apparently didn't intend to kill the man.	Beacool	Jun 2012	#60
good for him!I'd have done the same...maybe even bobbited him n/t	neovente	Jun 2012	#69
Juror job #1; Judge the man and the law as it applies to the case...	ileus	Jun 2012	#71
Considering all reports I have seen on TV,	RebelOne	Jun 2012	#74
meh	RUMMYisFROSTED	Jun 2012	#75
Going to use the self-delete now	tawadi	Jun 2012	#78

Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:03 PM

bluestateguy (40,060 posts)

1. If he caught the molester in the act the father will likely be OK

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Now THIS is once scenario where I would support a Stand Your Ground law for the parent of a child who is being assualted.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:04 PM

tawadi (1,994 posts)

2. Hope the father is not charged. eom

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:13 PM

TheWraith (24,331 posts)

4. That's exactly what justifiable homicide laws are.

Which is what "stand your ground" is. Although technically that term is usually applied to SELF-defense, whereas this would be considered part of the "forcible felony" clause of justifiable homicide laws.

For those who don't know, basically every state authorizes deadly force to prevent or interrupt "forcible felonies," the list of which typically includes rape, sexual assault, or both, as well as sometimes explicitly singling out sexual abuse of a child. So in other words if you walk in on someone molesting a four year old, it's considered legally justifiable to use any means necessary to stop the assault up to and including killing the perpetrator if necessary. Although that is subject to the typical requirements that force be proportional.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:06 PM

rhett o rick (26,723 posts)

22. He should have to prove he caught the molester in the act or it's just plane murder. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:49 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

33. He took his daughter to the hospital to check her for physical injuries.

The hospital reported she was physically okay, but mentally traumatized.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

AngryOldDem (8,785 posts)

63. Agree.

You do whatever you have to to protect your child, or anyone who is in more than imminent danger of harm.

I hope the grand jury does the right thing.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:06 PM

MrSlayer (21,355 posts)

3. No grand jury will indict this guy.

Nor should they. Sometimes you get just what you ask for.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:47 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

18. A grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:52 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

34. Ham sandwiches are rarely accused of murdering somebody accused of trying to molest their daughter.

That being said, this has "instant jury verdict" written all over it, unless somebody can show a pattern of the deceased being an upright citizen feuding with his killer, and evidence that the daughter, and father, fabricated the whole event.

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Response to boppers (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:33 PM

Xithras (13,500 posts)

65. "Murder" has a specific definition. This isn't it. He didn't murder anyone.

Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of another with malice aforethought. In other words, a homicide is only a murder if you planned on killing the person, or placed yourself in a situation where you accepted that a homicide was a likely outcome.

There's no question that he killed someone, but any legal debate will surround the question of whether it was a justifiable or unjustified homicide (which could result in a manslaughter charge). Either way, unless this turns out to be some elaborate cover story, it's not murder.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:19 PM

Happyhippychick (5,695 posts)

5. I'm a pacifist. And I have this to say:

Fucking a daddy! The world needs more fathers like you.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:22 PM

shanti (16,657 posts)

24. absolutely

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:22 PM

daaron (763 posts)

6. Simple case of justifiable homicide, if I ever heard of one. nt

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:25 PM

StateApparatus (24 posts)

7. Cool...

If I want to kill someone, all I have to do is say he's a child molester.

Reminds me of this one: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9903EFDF163FF933A15753C1A9609C8B63

Girl Was Not Molested by Neighbor Her Angry Father Killed, Police Say
By STACEY STOWE
Published: October 20, 2006

The police in Fairfield said on Thursday that they had concluded that a 2-year-old girl had not been molested by a next-door neighbor who they say was stabbed to death by her father after he was told she had been abused.

The father, Jonathon Edington, 29, a Fairfield patent lawyer, broke into the home of his neighbor, Barry James, on Aug. 28 and repeatedly stabbed him, just minutes after his wife told him that Mr. James had molested their daughter, according to the police.

...

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Response to StateApparatus (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:43 PM

happyslug (10,764 posts)

10. And the Murderer in the case you cite, was convicted of FIRST DEGREE MURDER

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathon_Edington

The Defendant has both an engineering degree AND a law degree, even if he loses his law license (if he ever had one), he could go back to being a patent lawyer the day he gets out of Prison (and if he an work on line, continue to do so while in prison).

The real issue is he is IN PRISON and MUST serve at least 12 years.

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Response to StateApparatus (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:44 PM

SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)

19. Hey brainac

he was fucking caught in the act.

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Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:49 PM

tabasco (18,296 posts)

20. According to one witness.

And who is brainac?

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Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:52 AM

demwing (10,977 posts)

35. Do you understand the term "allegedly" ?

It's ok if you don't, because no one else knows what the fuck "brainac" means.

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Response to demwing (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:42 PM

EX500rider (299 posts)

76. "Brainiac"

"As Superman fans know, "Brainiac" was the superintelligent villain in the Action Comics series and its spin-offs. You don't need x-ray vision to see the connection here -- etymologists think Superman's brainy adversary was probably the inspiration for our term "brainiac." We didn't coin the term right away though. The comic-book series was launched in 1938, and the general use of "brainiac" was first recorded in print in 1982."

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:34 PM

deathrind (113 posts)

8. Charges...

...should be filed. Sorry but you cannot take the law into your own hands.

Also "attempting to"... hmmm. That is a big grey area right there. I know a person who thought a friend of his gave his 5yr old a hug that lasted too long in his view and wanted to beat him up. Don't let the context of a subject dictate your judgement.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:23 PM

shanti (16,657 posts)

25. the child was screaming and her father heard her

please read the story!

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Response to deathrind (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:12 AM

Bacchus4.0 (1,982 posts)

56. you can indeed take the law into your own hands, its called self defense

in this case, defense of a third party. he will not be charged, nor should he be.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:38 PM

uberblonde (1,030 posts)

9. So you protect your kid ....

By killing someone in front of her? Really?

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Response to uberblonde (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:54 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

36. He hit the guy until the guy gave up.

According to the reports I've read, he didn't realize he had killed him.

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Response to boppers (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:32 PM

AngryOldDem (8,785 posts)

64. And he is remorseful as well.

But he had to protect his daughter.

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Response to uberblonde (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:12 PM

neovente (24 posts)

70. Heck Yeah!

The girl knows without a doubt that Daddy will protect her from the monsters.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:44 PM

iamthebandfanman (6,744 posts)

11. charges should be filed.

if it was justified, a court will find it as such.

no one should be above the law and due process, no matter what the circumstances were.

slippery slope.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:53 PM

Blue_Tires (31,731 posts)

12. I just hope there is real substance behind what the father saw...

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:54 PM

Poll_Blind (23,228 posts)

13. Or maybe he caught his daughter telling the neighbor about dad molesting her.

And he beat the man to death and concocted the story out of criminal self-interest.

I'm not saying that's what happened. What I'm saying is you don't know. What you can bank on is there's one less living person in Lavaca County and hopefully the grand jury will take their job seriously. Being on DU I have read...a shitload, just a metric shitload of sensational stories like this. One thing I've noticed over the years is sometimes things just aren't what they seem.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:13 PM

rhett o rick (26,723 posts)

23. Damn you.

You see it doesnt matter what really happened. The appearance of good triumphant over evil is really all that is important. You confuse the issue and make us think. Again, damn you.

It is important for us to think there is justice in this world. The fact that it's his word against the man he murdered is besides the point.

It is surprising that Democrats would be so quick to hang somone. Usually a Republican trait.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:01 AM

Poll_Blind (23,228 posts)

38. I'll bet many of those same people also read the story of the...

...psycho who shot the school teacher and then claimed "Stand your ground" even though it was pretty clearly a case of something liek premeditated murder. This story is what I'm talking about. Anyway, I find it interesting how so many here decry the MSM and yet tend to still swallow a story as presented by that same MSM.

I'm not saying I'm above it. In this case I'm just surprised the momentary zeitgeist of DU didn't look at this news story with the same considerations.

Meh. You know how it goes.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:50 AM

rhett o rick (26,723 posts)

52. To the simpler mind, quick revenge is more important than justice.

Justice can often be complicated. Some of us feel so much more secure if we just grab the obvious, hang them and go on with our lives feeling secure.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:05 PM

HotRodTuna (114 posts)

77. Yeah, people here are just so quick to applaud a father for defending his daughter

against a child molester. Wow, what IS the world coming to?

Forgive me if I don't give a pervert child rapist the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:18 PM

postulater (3,354 posts)

14. Is this Sharia Law? nt

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:07 PM

bitchkitty (6,802 posts)

15. Way to ruin your child's life.

Beat someone to death in front of her.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:22 AM

Psephos (6,854 posts)

30. I've heard that rape of a four-year-old can also lead to problems later in life..

A child witnessing the fatal beating of the sexual predator who moments ago was trying to fuck her /= a child witnessing a fatal beating at random.

If forced to choose, I'd rather my child knew that daddy killed the rapist than that daddy subcontracted the intervention to the government, and hoped for the best.

"When seconds count, the police are just minutes away."

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Response to Psephos (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:45 AM

bitchkitty (6,802 posts)

32. He wasn't forced to choose.

Nice try. I didn't say he should have stood there and watched. He did not have to beat a man to death in front of a four-year old. He could have taken her away and come back and killed him if he was so bent on revenge. As it is, her four year old mind is probably as badly affected by this event as it would have been had she been molested.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:12 AM

Psephos (6,854 posts)

42. I didn't say he was.

Where did that come from? Not from me.

"He could have taken her away and come back and killed him..."

lol

I'm sure that's how it would go down. No danger there to the child during the civil, rational moment of separating the rapist from her, and I'm sure the rapist would wait patiently for his just deserts after the child had been safely ushered away. No chance he has a gun or knife, either. No chance that an escaped child rapist isn't motivated to do what desperate men are capable of.

Anyway, according to the story, the father wasn't trying to kill him. We are wired in such situations of extreme danger to eliminate the danger, and in the heat of the moment the ratiocinative part of the brain is literally switched off as the deeper, limbic centers and the amygdala take over. Good luck resisting that. Homicide law, with its tiers of degrees, reflects this physiological reality. I see nothing in the account that suggests that the father's actions meet the legal standard of malice aforethought. However, going away with the child, then returning with intention to kill WOULD be malice aforethought, and would be a much deeper kettle of legal trouble.

Here's a somewhat better account, btw. Take a look at the barn. If I heard my daughter screaming from in there I would not be fumbling for my cell phone.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2157738/Father-beat-man-death-catching-molest-year-old-daughter.html?ICO=most_read_module

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Response to Psephos (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:26 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

50. "the civil, rational moment"?

So, do you go for tea, or have a beer, when you encounter somebody raping your child?

I am curious about the protocol for the "civil, rational moment".

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Response to boppers (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:56 AM

Psephos (6,854 posts)

54. Sarcasm. :)

Civility and rational thought are not possible in such a moment.

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Response to Psephos (Reply #42)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:44 PM

bitchkitty (6,802 posts)

72. Well, maybe I'm a cold bitch then.

But I like to think that I would remain cool headed in a bad situation (as I have in my distant youth) and not lose my head and hurt the people I should be protecting. She was hurt by this, count on it. And would have been a lot less hurt if he had handled it differently.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:00 AM

Beacool (19,068 posts)

59. I see, he should have gently pulled the pervert off his daughter and admonish him

not to ever do it again.

Please........

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Response to Beacool (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:30 PM

bitchkitty (6,802 posts)

66. Oh, yea, that's exactly what I said.

Please...

Idiot.

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:47 PM

Beacool (19,068 posts)

68. Idiot, yourself.

Personal attacks are against the rules, aside from denoting a lack of class.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:26 PM

WheelWalker (4,921 posts)

16. "Deserves death? I daresay

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he does. Many live that deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give that to them? Be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends."

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:22 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

49. Those who fear death cannot seek justice in life.

-Me.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:46 PM

Odin2005 (48,255 posts)

17. Can't say I blame him.

I'd probably do the same thing in the same position, and perfectly willing to go to jail for offing the SOB.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:03 PM

davsand (12,201 posts)

21. I keep coming back to that Assistant Coach at Penn State who left that little kid with his abuser.

I'm not saying this father should have killed anybody, but I keep reflecting on the idea that anybody could let that happen to any kid and not react somehow to intervene.

Laura

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:26 PM

Skittles (86,325 posts)

26. I think the word 'allegedly' is in the wrong place in the subject line

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Response to Skittles (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:06 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,379 posts)

28. Yeah,...I noticed that too.

Amelia Earhart is ""allegedly dead".

This guy is dead.

With a side of scrambled brains.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:08 AM

Skittles (86,325 posts)

29. and the victim ALLEGEDLY molested the child

I'd like to see the backgrounds of both these guys before judging

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Response to Skittles (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:24 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,379 posts)

31. You have a point there.

This is Texas and the "He needed killin'" excuses are getting harder to come by but saying someone was fooling around with your kid is still an acceptable line to use on the cops.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:06 AM

Skittles (86,325 posts)

40. look at the responses in this thread

WTF

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Response to Skittles (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:27 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,379 posts)

45. I know.

Just the suggestion of molesting a child sends people into a rage.

When I was a kid the news used to talk about "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" like it was Fagin training The Artful Dodger.

I doubt that was just buying beer for high school kids waiting outside in their car.

Tell you what, if this guy was on line, I bet a look at his hard drive will tell the tale.

If it's full of gardening tips there could be a problem.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:57 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

37. Allegedly kills man.

If he took a swing at a guy, and the guy then actually died of a heart attack, things get fuzzier. We need cause of death.

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Response to boppers (Reply #37)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:07 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,379 posts)

43. Okay, that's another twist.

There should at least be a coroners inquest.

I REALLY don't like the idea of cops deciding these things.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:19 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

46. To be fair, as I understand it, he hit the guy until his opponent went limp.

I haven't seen anything much on actual cause of death.

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Response to boppers (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:54 AM

Spitfire of ATJ (7,379 posts)

47. ...he hit the guy until his opponent went limp.

I pretty sure that started the minute the other guy entered the room.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:17 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

48. Tacky and clever, but not biologically average.

Still:

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:00 AM

BlueIris (29,135 posts)

27. Hard for me to shed any tears for dead child molesters.

Also horrifying for me to read about rage killings, even the 'justifiable' variety.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:02 AM

demwing (10,977 posts)

39. The bloodthirst in this thread sucks

Not ONE of us knows whether that dead man actually committed a crime, and now he cannot stand to defend himself. Many here - TOO many - don't seem to give a damn about justice. Who needs fucking justice when there's vengeance to be had?

PATHETIC.

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:07 AM

Skittles (86,325 posts)

41. I HEAR YOU

they sound like a bunch of self-righteous vigilante wolves

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:44 AM

boppers (16,588 posts)

51. If you can live in a world where being accused of child molestation is considered rational, you lose

Please enlighten us, oh wise one.

Was she screaming because she saw a mouse, the helpful farmhand was there, and the father had a homicidal, psychotic, break?

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Response to boppers (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:06 AM

rhett o rick (26,723 posts)

55. To avoid future strawmen arguments, no one wants to live in a world

that condones child molestation. Apparently only some of us dont want to live in a world where someone can kill another if they have a good story. If this man's story is true, I might have acted the same, but it still isnt ok with society when we take the law into our own hands. We need to critically look at the circumstances when anyone kills another.

I am curious if you think that it is ok for one of the victims to beat coach Sandusky to death.

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Response to boppers (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:33 AM

demwing (10,977 posts)

57. We'll never know, will we?

and all your self righteous snark won't prove him guilty, or protect the child.

I had a rather lengthy paragraph written explaining why what the father did was wrong, but erased it.

Why does this point even have to be defended, especially HERE of all places? We don't take the law into our own hands, fucking end of story.

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:53 AM

rhett o rick (26,723 posts)

53. As I said above, to some, quick revenge is more important than justice.

I hate to see it in a Democratic sight.

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:15 AM

revolution breeze (871 posts)

61. A neighbor down the street

Police found child porn on his computer and he was arrested. However, it has been known for some time that his son has often talked about the subject to his friends throughout high school. The investigation has been ongoing for two years and the pictures were downloaded last year. Son left for college in January. The neighborhood is divided, those that think dad did it, those thinking son did it and dad is taking the fall, and those who think it was both. The saddest part is wife (actually ex-wife but they live together to provide a stable household for their kids) has always been the greatest neighbor, ready to help anyone on our street, is being treated like a pariah when she did nothing.

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Response to demwing (Reply #39)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:24 PM

Xithras (13,500 posts)

62. It really isn't vengeance. It's biological instinct.

Nearly every animal that walks on the Earth, whether we're talking about cats, bears, dogs, cows, birds, or humans, will react with lethal violence when they see their offspring being attacked by another. This discussion isn't about vengeance, justice, or even the law. This is a discussion about a father reacting in a predictably violent fashion toward a person who was actively harming his child. It's a biological reaction, and there's nothing wrong with it. People here are responding this way because most of us know that if it were OUR kid, we'd have done the exact same thing. To condemn him is to condemn ourselves.

There's a HUGE difference between killing someone who is actively attacking a child, and pursuing vengeance or vigilante justice by hunting him down after the fact. I'd guess that 90+% of people would support the first, but very few here would support the latter. They're very different actions.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:00 PM

Psephos (6,854 posts)

67. Very well said. n/t

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Response to Xithras (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:44 PM

demwing (10,977 posts)

73. I agree that protecting your child is instinctual

but there's a chasm between "protecting from harm" and "beating till unresponsive."

You know what? I'm not even saying that I mightn't have done something similar, in the heat of the moment. But that would not have made me, or the action, the right thing.

NO ONE responding in this thread is in the heat of that same moment, faced with the overwhelming immediacy of protecting their child. Yet some are all too eager to see the alleged assailant killed--not merely stopped and arrested, not merely beaten, but killed.

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:36 AM

mainer (6,662 posts)

58. "Allegedly" killed a man?

It should say: "Father kills man who allegedly molested his daughter."

-- the Headline Police

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:15 AM

Beacool (19,068 posts)

60. The father apparently didn't intend to kill the man.

But I can understand the blind fury that caused him to beat him to death. I doubt that too many parents would have been able to contain themselves if they saw some person molesting their 4 year old child.

Child molesters almost never reform, even with extensive therapy. How many children would have this guy abused in the future?

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Response to tawadi (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:11 PM

neovente (24 posts)