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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:52 AM Jun 2012

‘Kindness of America' author shot by stranger while hitchhiking

Source: Herald Sun

Raymond Dolin, who is writing a memoir called The Kindness Of America, was shot just before 6pm local time on Saturday (Sunday AEST) while hitching a lift on Highway 2, a few miles west of Glasgow, the Billings Gazette reported.

A man driving a maroon pickup pulled up next to him, shot him and drove away.

Dolin was able to flag down a passerby and is now recovering at Frances Mahon Deaconess Hospital in Glasgow.

Authorities launched a manhunt for the pickup driver.

Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/kindness-of-america-author-shot-by-stranger-while-hitchhiking/story-e6frf7lf-1226391677753



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‘Kindness of America' author shot by stranger while hitchhiking (Original Post) Recursion Jun 2012 OP
Was this in Scotland? Doctor_J Jun 2012 #1
they just hack phones -- they don't where these people are talking from or about KurtNYC Jun 2012 #2
Montana - the "Highline" mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2012 #3
I figured a random drive-by was unlikely anywhere except the US Doctor_J Jun 2012 #5
No "routes" used for road desgnations anywhere in the UK muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #28
Thanks! Doctor_J Jun 2012 #32
nice looking ABBA set of F -3's n/t oldhippydude Jun 2012 #10
I rode on that when I was 6 years old. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #11
You needed to have tickets for the dome cars? No one told us. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #38
They did when I rode it. Or so they told us. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #42
i think they have one of these at the green bay WI, national railway museum. pansypoo53219 Jun 2012 #14
I am a train rider and this one is on my list! also heard north in Canada is good rides too lunasun Jun 2012 #17
I so want to ride xxqqqzme Jun 2012 #26
Glasgow, Montana haele Jun 2012 #4
I'm not surprised there was confusion - people don't realize that most major European petronius Jun 2012 #8
"most major European cities are actually named after smaller towns somewhere in the U.S." dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #23
LOL That's funny. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #24
That's true. The original Moscow is actually in Kansas, and old Paris is in Texas. slackmaster Jun 2012 #25
Ancient seat of the Pharaohs: Cairo, Illinois AngryAmish Jun 2012 #29
The Pharaohs themselves were named after a 1960s youth group in the San Fernando Valley slackmaster Jun 2012 #34
Or maybe Cairo (pronounced like the corn syrup), Georgia csziggy Jun 2012 #44
Paris should be obvious. That whole City of Light moniker petronius Jun 2012 #30
But the pronunciations often get mangled starroute Jun 2012 #31
KAY- roh. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2012 #36
Like Paris Illinois and Cairo Illinois. damn furriners stole them names from us. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2012 #35
Actually, they're all named after Virginia towns. sofa king Jun 2012 #69
My greatest pet peeve here jberryhill Jun 2012 #6
LOL! And I just noticed the second header on the story: petronius Jun 2012 #9
No clue at all ashling Jun 2012 #15
The subheading on the article says West Virginia Chorophyll Jun 2012 #27
A Huffington Post story describes Dolin as being from W. Virginia, himself. Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #41
A map of where this is, can be found at this link...in post Stuart G Jun 2012 #46
Ah. The original story was unclear. Chorophyll Jun 2012 #50
well, at least they made an arrest... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #7
Poor guy. Framed. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #59
He'd have a sweet lawsuit if this author had a penny... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #62
Title change! Renew Deal Jun 2012 #12
This is not a laughing matter flamingdem Jun 2012 #13
Yeah, it is not a laughing matter... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #16
Like the murdered "peace bride" trying to prove the goodness of people mainer Jun 2012 #18
i'd never heard of that story... Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #48
Article says this happened in West Virginia mainer Jun 2012 #19
The article is very confused: the county, highway, hospital, and sheriff all correspond petronius Jun 2012 #21
"Only in America" grantcart Jun 2012 #20
if that ain't ironic. barbtries Jun 2012 #22
maybe he didn't like the book Enrique Jun 2012 #33
It's like rainnnnnn on your wedding day Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #37
The religion of the gun strikes again. onehandle Jun 2012 #39
So since the idiot shot himself you going to change that tune? snooper2 Jun 2012 #52
No, he won't bother slackmaster Jun 2012 #57
It's still an idiot with a gun. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #60
Indeed. I thought that was quite obvious. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #63
Blaming the victim, either of a careless accident or something worse like mental illness slackmaster Jun 2012 #64
Gun be with you, Amen. onehandle Jun 2012 #67
People like to argue that it's next to impossible to use a gun in self defense, that most likely 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #70
Don't worry. you aren't the only one with egg on your face. Zax2me Jun 2012 #66
It's good to see that they caught the shooter. Someone needs to get the Australian staff writer AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #40
Helluva way to find out you're writing fiction. n/t RoseMead Jun 2012 #43
I found out that the Orignal Post...was taken from the Melborne Australia Hearld Sun Stuart G Jun 2012 #45
Well, he was only wounded. rug Jun 2012 #47
He was shot in the arm..the shooter has a record.. Stuart G Jun 2012 #49
The hitchhiker shot himself! Ptah Jun 2012 #56
No wonder it was only a wound. rug Jun 2012 #68
Mont. Authorities Say Hitchhiker Shot Himself Ptah Jun 2012 #51
Curiouser and curiouser slackmaster Jun 2012 #54
Most polite society on earth, indeed. LanternWaste Jun 2012 #53
The hitchhiker shot himself! Ptah Jun 2012 #55
That then means it's polite? LanternWaste Jun 2012 #61
And sadly, the kindness of America was to feel sorry for this guy after he told his story. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2012 #58
And someone else was arrested too! kirby Jun 2012 #65
I feel sorry for him because I suspect that he is mentally ill slackmaster Jun 2012 #71
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
1. Was this in Scotland?
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:03 AM
Jun 2012

There is no clue provided. The article's from Australia, he's in a hospital in Glasgow, and the report came from a Billings newspaper. Did this happen in Scotland? Australia? Montana?

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,897 posts)
3. Montana - the "Highline"
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:09 PM - Edit history (2)

U.S. Route 2 is hardly any distance from the Canadian border. It runs parallel to the Great Northern Railway mainline.

ETA:

This gratuituous picture of "The Empire Builder" somewhat to the west of Glasgow, just because I love this picture. Unexpected development: Today, June 11, is the 83rd anniversary of the introduction of "The Empire Builder". Nice train: the first car is an RPO, three normal domes in the middle, and a full-length dome near the back.



OK, here's a link to the story:
[link:http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/hitchhiker-hospitalized-in-random-drive-by-shooting-near-glasgow/article_cc8c914f-7308-5184-ada1-e215399e06ed.html|
Hitchhiker hospitalized in 'random' drive-by shooting near Glasgow]
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. I figured a random drive-by was unlikely anywhere except the US
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jun 2012

it would have been for them to use US Rt 2 instead of Rt 2, which probably also exists in Scotland and Australia

muriel_volestrangler

(101,156 posts)
28. No "routes" used for road desgnations anywhere in the UK
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jun 2012

If they have numbers, they have prefixes of 'A', 'B' or 'M'. 'M' means 'motorway' - the standard of an interstate highway, with rules like no bicycles. 'A' and 'B' are the major and minor roads between towns and cities.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. I rode on that when I was 6 years old.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:35 AM
Jun 2012

They let us sneak into the dome cars, even though we didn't have tickets to be in that car. It was awesome.

pansypoo53219

(20,907 posts)
14. i think they have one of these at the green bay WI, national railway museum.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

ooh, that was such a neat place.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
17. I am a train rider and this one is on my list! also heard north in Canada is good rides too
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:05 PM
Jun 2012

Guess I'll see Glasgow someday outta the dome

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
26. I so want to ride
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:00 PM
Jun 2012

the Empire Builder. I only travel by train these days. I am always eager to use any excuse to take that route. Came close last summer but the connection in NorCal didn't fit even my flexible schedule.

petronius

(26,581 posts)
8. I'm not surprised there was confusion - people don't realize that most major European
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jun 2012

cities are actually named after smaller towns somewhere in the U.S.

Hopefully they catch the shooter quickly - with such a small population, it seems like someone will know who it is (so long as it wasn't just someone passing through)...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
23. "most major European cities are actually named after smaller towns somewhere in the U.S."
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jun 2012


to add to the confusion, throw in a southern accent.
I have had people down here tell me they were going to "Alaska" for a weekend, which left me puzzled until I discovered we have a small town here called "Eliaska"
Hundreds of small towns around the South are named after European cities, gets confusing.

petronius

(26,581 posts)
30. Paris should be obvious. That whole City of Light moniker
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jun 2012
clearly relates to the glow from the HS stadium on a Friday night...

starroute

(12,977 posts)
31. But the pronunciations often get mangled
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:41 PM
Jun 2012

Any upstate New Yorker could tell you that it's BER-lin, with the stress on the first syllable.

Out in Illinois, it's Cair-o, not Cai-ro.

And I just found a discussion page at http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000391.php that cites a number of others.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
36. KAY- roh.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:47 PM
Jun 2012

If you call it Cairo, the locals look at you really strange. "You from da city?" (chicago). "Figgers."

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
69. Actually, they're all named after Virginia towns.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:45 PM
Jun 2012

Vienna, Berlin, Glasgow, Dublin, Paris, Washington, Norfolk, Alexandria, Amsterdam, Moscow... Virginia.

We invented them all.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. My greatest pet peeve here
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jun 2012

You can spend more time asking "where did this happen" in LBN than reading the articles sometimes.

I'm guessing it happened in Portland.

petronius

(26,581 posts)
9. LOL! And I just noticed the second header on the story:
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jun 2012

"A MAN hitchhiking across the US was recovering in the hospital after he was shot by a stranger as he waited by the roadside in West Virginia."

ashling

(25,771 posts)
15. No clue at all
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

except this headline to the story:

A MAN hitchhiking across the US was recovering in the hospital after he was shot by a stranger as he waited by the roadside in West Virginia.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
27. The subheading on the article says West Virginia
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:05 PM
Jun 2012

This should perhaps have been included in the OP.

But it's kind of a sketchy story, coming from an Australian newspaper.

Judi Lynn

(160,219 posts)
41. A Huffington Post story describes Dolin as being from W. Virginia, himself.
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jun 2012

Raymond Dolin, Hitchhiker Writing 'The Kindness Of America,' Allegedly Shot By Charles Danielson
The Huffington Post | By Hilary Hanson Posted: 06/11/2012 10:30 am Updated: 06/11/2012 10:55 am

~snip~
But on Saturday night, the West Virginia man was shot by a random passerby on the side of a highway, the Billings Gazette reports. Dolin was waiting for a ride a couple of miles outside of Glasgow, Montana around 6 pm. That's when, he says, a man driving a maroon pickup truck pulled up and shot him in the arm before speeding away.

The hitchhiker was able to get the attention of another passing vehicle, KRTV reports, and is now recovering at a Glasgow hospital. His injuries are non-life threatening.

After a manhunt lasting about four hours, authorities tracked the maroon pickup about 100 miles east of Glasgow and arrested the driver, Charles Lloyd Danielson III, of Washington State.

~snip~

Danielson, 52, is being held on suspicion of felony assault with a deadly weapon and driving under the influence, according to the Great Falls Tribune. His first court appearance is scheduled for today.

More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/11/raymond-dolin-hitchhiker-shot_n_1586276.html

Stuart G

(38,365 posts)
46. A map of where this is, can be found at this link...in post
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.mdt.mt.gov/travinfo/docs/2011-2012-mt-highway-map.pdf

give the map a chance to load, and you will see a highly detaild Montana Map published by the state.

Find U.S highway 2 in the northern part, and go to the eastern state line, NOrth Dakota then follow it west and you will see this small town. 75 to 85 miles east of that line,, on U.S. 2
What a hell of a thing to happen in the that part of the country.

Sorry I had to post this...I used to teach Geography and maps in a high school. sometimes I miss it..
thanks for putting up with this if you found the map....Stuart G.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
13. This is not a laughing matter
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jun 2012

but somehow it's funny in a Monty Python kind of way. Kindly person .. bang.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. Yeah, it is not a laughing matter...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jun 2012

But your post is spot on. I mean, if you told me to write a piece of fiction with a wackier headline, I don't think I could.

mainer

(12,013 posts)
18. Like the murdered "peace bride" trying to prove the goodness of people
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012

she traveled the world to demonstrate that people are kind, and was murdered in Turkey.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7344381.stm

The fact is, there are too many asshole humans mixed in among the good ones.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
48. i'd never heard of that story...
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jun 2012

I did a search of her and now wish I didn't, since it's mainly old RW blogs mocking her naivete...

Here's the DU thread that got too little attention:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3192402

petronius

(26,581 posts)
21. The article is very confused: the county, highway, hospital, and sheriff all correspond
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

to Glasgow, Montana.

Sad and angering story (albeit funny in a dark way), but it's also a kind of an amusing commentary on the globalization of small news: an Australian newspaper rattling off names of tiny US towns as if they were common knowledge, and misplacing them, to report a not-globally-important crime against a person from yet another country...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. "Only in America"
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:22 PM
Jun 2012


I suspect that the finished book would be used by the uber patriots to support that mind gagging phrase.

Now they would be right.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
52. So since the idiot shot himself you going to change that tune?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jun 2012

or did the gun culture, prompt him to write the book knowing he would use the "gun culture" meme lying about getting shot to promote the book and make some quick cash?

LOL

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
60. It's still an idiot with a gun.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jun 2012

Except instead of another person doing the shooting, it's him shooting himself.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
63. Indeed. I thought that was quite obvious.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:31 PM
Jun 2012

Indeed. I thought that was quite obvious. Maybe it's rather more subtle than I thought... I'm not very clever.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
70. People like to argue that it's next to impossible to use a gun in self defense, that most likely
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:51 PM
Jun 2012

it'll just end up being used on you.

I guess this is what they were talking about.

Poor guy was helpless to defend himself and had his own gun used on him.

/that's how you spin!

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
40. It's good to see that they caught the shooter. Someone needs to get the Australian staff writer
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jun 2012

a map.

Glasgow, Montana, of course, is not near West Virginia.

Stuart G

(38,365 posts)
45. I found out that the Orignal Post...was taken from the Melborne Australia Hearld Sun
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jun 2012

The incident took place in Glasgow Montana...It took a while to find it
It is located on U.S. Highway 2, about 80 miles west of the North Dakota /Montana state line.(or border.)
It is located about 50 miles south of the Canadian Border with the United States, and has abouta 3200 people..It is kinda out there,
a long way from the next town..

here is how to find this place..

http://www.mdt.mt.gov/travinfo/docs/2011-2012-mt-highway-map.pdf

give the map a chance to load, and you will see a highly detaild Montana Map published by the state.

Find U.S highway 2 in the northern part, and go to the eastern state line, NOrth Dakota then follow it west and you will see this small town. 75 to 85 miles east of that line,, on U.S. 2
What a hell of a thing to happen in the that part of the country.

Sorry I had to post this...I used to teach Geography and maps in a high school. sometimes I miss it..
thanks for putting up with this if you found the map....Stuart G.
that is what teaching geography does to you...you got to know exactly where it is...well, I found it...

Stuart G

(38,365 posts)
49. He was shot in the arm..the shooter has a record..
Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:24 PM
Jun 2012

and they got him within a day of the incident..

Ptah

(32,983 posts)
51. Mont. Authorities Say Hitchhiker Shot Himself
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jun 2012

Mont. Authorities Say Hitchhiker Shot Himself
Source: ABC News

A West Virginia man who claimed to be a victim of a drive-by shooting along a
rural Montana highway while working on a memoir called "Kindness in America"
has confessed to shooting himself, authorities said Friday.

Ray Dolin of Julian, W. Va., 39, made the acknowledgement Thursday night, said Valley County Sheriff Glen Meier.

The case remains under investigation and charges are possible, though none have been filed.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mont-authorities-hitchhiker-shot-16577716#.T9tp7FK8h-w


----------------------

Only in America

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
53. Most polite society on earth, indeed.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:05 PM
Jun 2012

Robert Heinlein once wrote, "An armed society is a polite society." If that is true, America is indeed the most polite society on the planet...

(90 firearms per 100 Americans, making the US the most heavily armed nation on the planet as per the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.)




Most polite society on earth, indeed. Sigh...

Ptah

(32,983 posts)
55. The hitchhiker shot himself!
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jun 2012

The hitchhiker shot himself!

The hitchhiker shot himself!

The hitchhiker shot himself!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
61. That then means it's polite?
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jun 2012

That then means it's polite?

(I'll simply type that once, though...)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
58. And sadly, the kindness of America was to feel sorry for this guy after he told his story.
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jun 2012

Only to be B.S.ed by him.

So in a way, does that mean our faith in kindness in America is restored???

kirby

(4,441 posts)
65. And someone else was arrested too!
Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jun 2012

"Authorities arrested a 52-year-old man and charged him felony assault but have dropped the charges."

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