Papal official denies report Sanders invited himself to Vatican

[Lodestar]

Source: Reuters

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was invited to speak at an April 15 Vatican event by the Vatican, a senior papal official said on Friday, denying a report that Sanders had invited himself.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.

He said it was his idea to invite Sanders.

A Bloomberg report quoted Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, as saying that Sanders had broken with protocol by failing to contact her office first.

"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

An invitation to Sanders dated March 30, which was emailed to Reuters, was signed by Sorondo and also included Archer's name.








Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[Chakab]

1. You might want to edit the thread title.

[Lodestar]

4. done, thanks. And HURRAY REUTERS!!!!!!!!!! Well done!

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Gonna stick with news sources that fact check and aren't afraid to print the truth.

[DamnYankeeInHouston]

2. Well then, I guess that is that.

[AxionExcel]

3. Well, now, that's interesting

[DebbieCDC]

5. Lying liars always get tripped up by their lies n/t

[Cal33]

26. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. Just look at the 90% Republican-owned MSM. They

have been doing exceptionally well at fooling the people for the past 3+ decades. But I sure
hope their propaganda and lies will catch up with them some day!

[Enthusiast]

62. Still foolin' 'em.

[rhett o rick]

6. Yeah, that inviting yourself works so well. LOL. nm

[RiverNoord]

35. Do they still have vestal virgins?

I'd love to invite myself to that conference.

Oh wait, that was the Romans. Well, it is the Roman Catholic Church - easily confused

[senz]

67. No you're not confused.

Christianity was co-opted (and imo fatally corrupted) by the Romans in the 4th century.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/timeline_10.html

[Surya Gayatri]

7. Considering how Sanders is exploiting the pending visit for politcial ends,

and how he's been implying that he'll be meeting with the Pope, how soon before there is another denial of direct papal involvement.

The Papacy eschews involvement in internal US politics, as evidenced by the Kim Davis kerfluffle.

[karynnj]

22. He said he did not know if he would meet the Pope - not really implying he would. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

24. There's a video clip circulating from the View that belies that...

[Native]

46. Per Bloomberg, he's simply attending a conference - the pope's office said they didn't invite him

But the office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from the visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[RiverNoord]

25. Um.. yeah, 'cuz he's really been all abuzz about it since... it was made public yesterday.

Not exactly a lot of time for 'exploitation for political ends' there. He did say that he was 'moved by the invitation' and that he was 'delighted to have been invited by the Vatican,' which obviously is extreme pandering for political p... Or... maybe not.

Also, he hasn't implied at all that he'd be meeting with the Pope. I don't think he knew if that was part of the trip. Even the guy who invited him, the Chancellor of the 'Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences,' didn't know, as of yesterday.

And, apparently, the 'Bernie invited himself' story is based on the fact that he has expressed interest over the years in John Paul II's 1991 'encyclical' on worker's rights and social and economic justice. Which just happens to be the subject of the conference. So, an American politician expresses interest in a papal publication several times over the years, a Vatican organization decides to have a conference 25 about it in 2016, and he gets invited.

Yeah, that's one insidious man, all right.

[FailureToCommunicate]

59. "The Papacy eschews involvement in internal US politics" ???

Forget this one did you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/world/americas/pope-francis-donald-trump-christian.html?_r=0

Your attempts at denigrating ANYTHING positive about Sanders is getting tiresome. I haven't put anyone here on "ignore", so I may have to just not read your posts till this whole primary thing is past.

[Else You Are Mad]

8. Crap.

And here I was just about to invite myself to a highly anticipated Vatican event.... Guess, I will just have to wait for an invite from the Vatican like everyone else.



Seriously though, the speed in which the Vatican shot down the lie that Sanders invited himself is extremely telling....

[Lodestar]

9. +1000 !!!

[kracer20]

13. Nearly as fast as others trying to make Bernie look bad.

Truly pathetic.

There were already some serious reservations in my mind about voting for HRC, and their actions really didn't help things...

[Native]

48. Read the Bloomberg article - looks like it's getting pretty heated between Vatican officials

The president of the academy said Friday that Sanders didn’t follow proper protocol by failing to contact her office, and that his presence threatens to make the event political. The academy’s chancellor said he arranged the invitation and defended the Vermont senator.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the conference, said in a telephone interview. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly -- not that he will.”

Sanders “made the first move two or three days ago,” Archer said. She did not know whom he or his representatives contacted. “His use of it is clearly a pretext,” she said. “There are just 20 academics and there will be nothing of policy relevance.”

However Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders, though he repeatedly declined to say who initiated the contact

.

Because Archer is being very forthcoming about Sanders making the first move and doing it for political reasons (her opinion), while Bishop Sorondo "declined to say who initiated the contact," it sounds like someone in the Sanders campaign may very well have made the first move. Not that I care, but I do think it is interesting how much it comes through in Archer's remarks that they don't appreciate politicizing stuff like this. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

[mhatrw]

71. What it sounds like to me is that Bloomberg is trying to cover its ass for its lousy reporting.

[senz]

68. They probably keep up with U.S. politics and know who's who

and what they do.

[MisterP]

10. will they have to have the 8th infallible Ex Cathedra statement be on this matter?

[6000eliot]

11. This story is as stupid as the one about who is qualified to be president.

Who the fuck cares?

[morningfog]

15. Bored pundits and political aficionados with time between primary contests.

[LanternWaste]

18. Everyone commenting on threads in regards to Sanders and his Papal visit.

"Who the fuck cares?"

Everyone commenting on threads in regards to Sanders and his Papal visit.

[6000eliot]

23. Yeah, right.

It was so original of you to point that out. Thank you!

[RiverNoord]

27. I have to agree, though.

It may not be original, but not all questions call for original answers . Sometimes the perfectly accurate answer to a question is right there in the question itself.

[Ruby the Liberal]

65. Scorched earth season started last month

Anything is fair game in the hopes that 1.47 voters might change their vote over it.

[6000eliot]

72. I don't believe these types of attacks actually change anybody's minds.

They've been going on for months here, and they haven't done anything but piss people off. And, by the way, my criticism was meant to extend to BOTH sides.

[Ruby the Liberal]

73. I agree

and mine too...

[jwirr]

12. Hillary is off and running with more dirt.

[Peregrine Took]

17. Their strategy is to muddy up anything good that happens to Bernie -

so much so that people are confused.

Was he invited? Did he push himself on them?

They poison the media with so many of their lying stories people know what is true.

Devils!

[jwirr]

19. Yes.

[Betty Karlson]

41. hoping that something will stick, any sh*t is flung: typical Clinton campaign.

Now with added "but his tone! And his supporters are sexist, or sluts, or hellbound, or duped, or..."

[senz]

69. Yes, it's precisely what they do.

There is indeed something diabolical about that kind of behavior.

I hope people will not be fooled.

[Native]

49. This isn't coming from Hillary. It's a disagreement between Vatican officials. Get a grip. nt

[retrowire]

14. ha! nice.

sorry Hillary supporters who had hoped this made Bernie look rude.

/not sorry

[morningfog]

16. They sure made themselves look rude, and stupid.

[Betty Karlson]

39. And then some...

[LiberalLovinLug]

20. So a person senior to Archer invited Sanders

And so Ms. Archer was miffed because usually SHE does all the inviting.

I found her to be way more insulting with her insinuations about his motives. Threatening him that he'd better act a certain way "not that he will".

And referring to herself in the third person is telling.
"The president of the academy organizing this event has not been contacted with monumental discourtesy,” she said, referring to herself.




Something smells fishy. I'd not be surprised if we hear of some kind of connection between Clinton and Archer. The whining couldn't be any louder if it had come from Her Inevitableness herself.

[riderinthestorm]

70. I'm thinking she took a private spat and made it public.

If she were my employee I'd fire her.

[frylock]

21. Fucking eat it, haters.

[RiverNoord]

29. Dude, I'm all in for Sanders, but I almost alerted on a post for the first time ever...

Just sayin' - that was really rude.

[frylock]

32. It was entirely appropriate.

[RiverNoord]

36. OK.

Whatever.

Frankly, I was just trying to helpful.

If I see it again, it'll be the damn first-time-alert-ever, and I really don't want to do that.

But whatever.

[frylock]

40. Nothing is stopping you now.

[dorkzilla]

44. Totally fuckin' appropriate...

I'll see your fuck you and raise you one...

[frylock]

45. dork...

[senz]

64. Rude expressions of righteous indignation are fundamentally moral and idealistic.

Consider context, provocation, motive and intent. The commenter is the type of person who is strongly offended by morally reprehensible behavior.

Things can be more complex than they appear. I'd rather be around rude good people than polite evil people.

However, since this is a very good commenter, we could try to get him to protect himself from alert abusers by expanding his vocabulary.

[Gore1FL]

66. I would have voted to leave it if I were on the Jury.

No rules were broken.

[Fuddnik]

31. You put it much more tastefully than I could have.

[Starry Messenger]

57. Just like Jesus would do.

[frylock]

63. Don't hate the player.

[Hawaiianlight]

28. TYT

[86derps]

30. Obviously!

The problem here is that Hillary supporters would actually believe Bernie would invite himself and that he would be playing politics with this. When I first heard this I was like of course he would not invite himself and of course he would not be playing politics. That is not Bernie at all. For all those Hillary supporters that would believe that is crazy. But of course, you support Hillary of Bernie in the first place. Obviously Hillary is an awful person, but Hillary supports cant see that or refuse to believe it. Please, please, open your eyes and see things as they are not as you want them to be.
That's all I ask.
Thanks

[RufusTFirefly]

33. I would hate to be trapped in the sewer of David Brock's brain.

I honestly can't fully fathom the mindset of unapologetic smear merchants.

Needless to say, this raises some deeply troubling questions about the judgment of the Clinton campaign as well as that of the Secretary herself.

[silvershadow]

34. Another Camp Weathervane hit-job debunked within a matter of hours. nt

[islandmkl]

37. the internet just ain't what it was in 2008 apparently...

it moves so much faster these days....

[Betty Karlson]

38. The way Camp Clinton tried to sullen Sanders' standing with religious leaders, stunk of jealousy.

Right from the start; Archer's statement sounded unbelievable.

[sarge43]

50. Good bet she's going to get a trip to the wood shed.

She may be invited to spend time with her family.

Do not embarrass headquarters

[tabasco]

42. Pretty bad when the Vatican has to debunk your smear attempt

Clinton's sleaze bag campaign manager will cost her the election.

[nichomachus]

43. But the lie is still floating around out there. Typical Fox News tactic from Hillary.

She's full of them. What a despicable person. She's a really terrible campaigner -- not a shred of sincerity. So she makes up for it with sleaze and slime.

[stupidicus]

47. showing once again how gullible so many so gleefully are

it's probably just coincidental that they happen to be avid HC supporters

[Renew Deal]

51. I doubt Margaret Archer will be working there much longer

Her comments are very ugly in light of this news.

[pa28]

52. A lie can travel around the world before the truth gets it's shoes on.

Especially if it feeds into a knee jerk smear campaign against Bernie Sanders.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

53. These corporate pipers will make anything up!

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I just realized the my iPhone changed a word to "pipers". I can't remember what word I intended to use, but I'm pretty sure it starts with a "P".

[CharlotteVale]

54. And Camp Weathervane haz a sad.

[840high]

76. They're having hissy fits.

[elljay]

55. Surprisingly, no mention of this in the Hillary Clinton group

probay because anyone who might have posted this as relevant info to certain OPs who have opined about the Archer claims has already been banned (and anyone who tries now will certainly be banned.)

[phazed0]

56. Lemme guess, the Pope's word aint good enough either? DEBUNKED nt

[EdwardBernays]

58. wait Wait WAIT?!?!?!

Somehow someone on the opposite side of Bernie Sanders was caught LYING?!?!?!?!?!?!?

That MUST be a first! Mark this date on your calendar... I'm sure this will NEVER happen again!

[senz]

60. Why do they prevaricate? Why? Why? Why?? Do they think the truth won't come out?

Or do they work on the assumption that once a lie gets started, it's hard to reel it in? Is it a strategy with them?

If so: HOW CAN THEY LIVE WITH THEMSELVES?!?!

It is so damn disgusting.

Anyway, glad the truth came out.

[Z_California]

61. HRC supporters would like to almost apologize....

[Lodestar]

74. Bernie will take their confessions...

Hillary - "I confess to Almighty God and to you, Father, that I have sinned...."

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[markpkessinger]

75. Hillary's surrogates have been reduced to throwing random shit at the wall to see what sticks n/t