Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:34 PM

ChangoLoa (1,785 posts)

A total of 155,788 murders in Venezuela since 1999

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Source: El Universal

Since 1999, the homicide rate has trebled. That very year, when President Hugo Chávez just took office at Miraflores; the Government gave the National Guard a mission concerning a succession of at least 20 security plans. In the interim, 155,788 murders have taken place.

Those officials from the National Guard taking on patrolling and police tasks is one of the aspects that Director of NGO Cofavic, Liliana Ortega finds inappropriate when it comes to making a balance over the Government's performance with regard to security. "The control for public order may not be in the hands of military officers," she claims. "This an international standart still not applied in Venezuela."

In 1999, 5,968 homicides were recorded and. 13 years later, 2011 ended at 19,336 murders. According to the numbers confirmed by NGO Venezuelan Observatory of Violence, murders have risen tremendously by 223% under the current government.

Read more: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/120609/a-total-of-155788-murders-in-venezuela-since-1999

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10 replies	Author	Time	Post
A total of 155,788 murders in Venezuela since 1999 (Original post)	ChangoLoa	Jun 2012	OP
And Venezuela doesn't even have the highest murder rate in the region.	Comrade Grumpy	Jun 2012	#1
It is quite common for public order to be kept by the military	FarCenter	Jun 2012	#2
In dictatorships, sure. In Democracies, there tends to be a bright line between law enforcement and	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#4
Yes. The two tend to be separate and distinct.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#8
Yes, in places like Honduras and Syria. nt	geek tragedy	Jun 2012	#5
What? Trouble in Saint Hugo's paradise? Say it ain't so....	apocalypsehow	Jun 2012	#3
How interesting	dipsydoodle	Jun 2012	#6
What is the rate of increase in other Latin American countries?	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#7
Latest Breaking News?	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#9
Locking, sorry, this isn't breaking news.	Rhiannon12866	Jun 2012	#10

Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:44 PM

Comrade Grumpy (3,394 posts)

1. And Venezuela doesn't even have the highest murder rate in the region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

It's fourth, behind El Salvador, Honduras, and St. Kitts and Nevis.

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:49 PM

FarCenter (13,085 posts)

2. It is quite common for public order to be kept by the military

The distinction between internal and external security is somewhat artificial.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:55 PM

apocalypsehow (12,751 posts)

4. In dictatorships, sure. In Democracies, there tends to be a bright line between law enforcement and

the military for reasons that are obvious to anyone who has so much as sat through and paid halfway attention in a junior high civics class.

Of course, Venezuela is a dictatorship in everything but name, so this article does not surprise.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:14 PM

JDPriestly (37,760 posts)

8. Yes. The two tend to be separate and distinct.

In fact, one of the troubling trends in the US (in my opinion) is the militarization of our local police forces. That became quite evident in the Occupy rousts.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:59 PM

geek tragedy (25,684 posts)

5. Yes, in places like Honduras and Syria. nt

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:53 PM

apocalypsehow (12,751 posts)

3. What? Trouble in Saint Hugo's paradise? Say it ain't so....

(wait for it...wait for it..."let's talk about the U.S. murder rate instead!!!11", i.e., logical fallacy tu quoque from the Chavez Fan Club).

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:59 PM

dipsydoodle (32,671 posts)

6. How interesting

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:12 PM

JDPriestly (37,760 posts)

7. What is the rate of increase in other Latin American countries?

I don't think it is that high, but I think the murder rate has increased in some other countries too -- like Mexico.

Has the rate maybe decreased in Colombia?

How about Costa Rica? It must have a low rate.

Paraguay? Brazil? Chile? Peru? Bolivia? Other countries?

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:24 PM

bitchkitty (6,805 posts)

9. Latest Breaking News?

This may have been published in the last 12 hours, but it's not latest breaking news. It's a poorly translated opinion piece from a right wing rag. Nice try.

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Response to ChangoLoa (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:30 PM

Rhiannon12866 (54,951 posts)

10. Locking, sorry, this isn't breaking news.

Please repost in GD or the Latin America group. Thanks!

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