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Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:37 PM

Boeing wins $3.48 billion U.S. missile defense contract

Boeing Co beat out Lockheed Martin to retain its position as the prime contractor for the U.S. long-range missile shield, the Pentagon said on Friday.

The U.S. Defense Department said it was awarding Boeing a $3.48 billion, seven-year contract to develop, test, engineer and manufacture missile defense systems.

A team led by Lockheed Martin Corp and Raytheon Co had vied with Boeing to expand and maintain the Ground-based Midcourse Defense, or GMD, hub of layered antimissile protection.

Boeing partnered with Northrop Grumman Corp to retain the work.

More at: http://news.yahoo.com/boeing-wins-3-48-billion-u-missile-defense-020950294.html

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Reply Boeing wins $3.48 billion U.S. missile defense contract (Original post)
Zorro Dec 2011 OP
marasinghe Dec 2011 #1
Monk06 Dec 2011 #2
ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #3
Monk06 Dec 2011 #28
Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #43
freshwest Jan 2012 #36
wordpix Dec 2011 #4
Muskypundit Dec 2011 #5
trusty elf Dec 2011 #17
bahrbearian Dec 2011 #29
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #6
Archae Dec 2011 #7
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #8
pnwmom Dec 2011 #9
PuffedMica Dec 2011 #15
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2011 #16
Rincewind Dec 2011 #10
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2011 #11
They_Live Dec 2011 #31
freshwest Jan 2012 #37
boppers Dec 2011 #32
FogerRox Dec 2011 #12
Islandlife Dec 2011 #22
Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #13
Magoo48 Dec 2011 #14
SHRED Dec 2011 #18
sarcasmo Dec 2011 #19
hughee99 Dec 2011 #23
Gringostan Dec 2011 #20
sarcasmo Dec 2011 #25
begin_within Dec 2011 #21
Monty22001 Dec 2011 #26
patrice Dec 2011 #30
Monty22001 Jan 2012 #35
patrice Jan 2012 #38
Monty22001 Jan 2012 #40
patrice Jan 2012 #41
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Monty22001 Jan 2012 #42
patrice Jan 2012 #44
Monty22001 Jan 2012 #45
patrice Dec 2011 #24
Monty22001 Jan 2012 #34
patrice Jan 2012 #39
Yooperman Dec 2011 #27
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2011 #33

Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:53 PM

1. what the carnival loses on the swings, the carnival makes on the roundabouts.

carnival of the dead

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 11:58 PM

2. Lockheed Martin, McDonnell Douglas and Boeing own the US. They didn't win anything.



Just part of business as usual until the US government is broke. No worries. The US defense industry is owned by the Saudis and Israel and their middleman BAE in the UK. The US taxpayer gets the debt and subsidies. The Saudis, Carlyle and BAE get the profits.

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Response to Monk06 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:26 AM

3. MD merged with Boeing back in the late 90s.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:43 PM

28. I thought MD kept it's name in that merger. Anyway Boeing and Lockheed Martin


along with the rest of the defense industry, have turned the US into a single industry weapons manufacturing state. There will be no peace in the world until this beast is reigned in. I won't happen in my lifetime unfortunately.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:39 PM

43. I can't ever forgive those McDonnell clowns on the board for systematically tearing apart

one of the iconic aircraft makers of our history in Douglas Commercial

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Response to Monk06 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 06:28 PM

36. Got that. And deficit? What deficit? Not for them.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:37 AM

4. more Star Wars crap. "When will they ever learn?"

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:42 AM

5. I am perfectly ok with missle defense systems.

Because those are actually used for defense.

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Response to Muskypundit (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:39 AM

17. Like the Defense Department is used for defense?



I can't tell if you forget the or not.

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Response to Muskypundit (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:46 PM

29. Do they stop box cutters?

Last edited Sat Dec 31, 2011, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:16 AM

6. do these missile shields actually work?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:25 AM

7. Not so far.

The only time one worked was when the target had a homing beacon.

Yeah, China or Kora is going to put those into it's missiles...

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:33 AM

8. then why are we wasting money on things that don't work?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:49 AM

9. Have you never heard of building something new? We succeeded in going to the moon,

and in building the space shuttle.

Plenty of nay-sayers thought we couldn't do those things, either.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 07:08 AM

15. The United States has been working on missile defense since 1956


    Nike Zeus was the first in a long line of programs that would consume tax dollars until ended when costs became a public issue. Each time a new program would rise like a Phoenix from the ashes of the canceled program as defense contractors conspired with the military to keep the gravy train rolling.

    The only identifiable ‘successes’ has been in strategic arms negotiations where the United States traded away invented capability (that we didn’t have) in exchange for Russian capability (that they didn’t intend to build).

    The net result of Strategic Missile Defense has been to line the pockets of defense contractors for over 50 years.


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Response to PuffedMica (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 09:31 AM

16. Indeed.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:52 AM

10. Because,

if we keep working on them then someday, they will work. At least, that's the theory. And several weapons systems, such as tanks, and airplanes, were pretty much close to useless when first developed.

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Response to Rincewind (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:58 AM

11. well they had better get it right quickly for that amount of money

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:33 PM

31. So they can make money...

to make sure they can buy their candidate...
who will change the laws...
so they can make more money...
to make sure they can buy their candidate...
who will change the laws...
so they can make more money...
to make sure they can buy their candidate...
who will change the laws...
so they can make more money...
to make sure they can buy their candidate...
who will change the laws...
so they can make more money...

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Response to They_Live (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 06:30 PM

37. Endless cycle...

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Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:54 PM

32. Uh, no.

Bunch of successes, and a bunch of failures, but not "only time one worked..." See #12.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:32 PM

22. They have been testing hese here in Hawaii with good success

Not perfect, but good enough as a last line of defense. Actually pretty amazing. Physics is on our side. We can make it almost perfect.

I don't know if it has to cost so much. Don't know how many lives it has to save to be justified. If it only serves as a deterrent to a percentage of future attacks then the numbers will be unquantifiable.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:18 AM

13. It used to be a scam, but now...

It's still a scam. But at least we have the parts available in one place so that a soldier who is a really good shot might be able to hit an incoming missle.

As WOPR says :


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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 05:57 AM

14. Even if it does "work" it's still a horrid waste of resources.

Cowering in the shadows of our assorted missiles, fondling our collective war machines...this does not inspire images of the Land of the free and the home of the brave.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 10:44 AM

18. ...but spending on a public health system..."SOCIALISM"!!!!

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:02 AM

19. 3.8 billion for missle defense, zero dollars for social programs.

Long live the Empire.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:42 PM

23. We're not spending ANY money on social programs?

Then what do the repukes keep bitching about?

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:07 AM

20. Thank god

Thank god; I was worried we were going to waste that money on national health care or education…

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Response to Gringostan (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:55 PM

25. +1

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 11:26 AM

21. I guess I'm slow... What do we, as taxpayers, get for $3.48 billion?

Are there missiles on their way now or will there be in the future? And couldn't we just buy those missiles instead? Come to think of it, couldn't we have just bought Iraq instead of spending $3 trillion and losing 5,000+ American lives and countless Iraqi lives?

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Response to begin_within (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 01:58 PM

26. Yeah, slow

 

It's called Deterrence

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Response to Monty22001 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 04:13 PM

30. Who's slow? It's also called Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

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Response to patrice (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

35. I guess locking your house invites robbers too.

 

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Response to Monty22001 (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:44 PM

38. That's an absurdity, unlike how threatening & insulting others causes them to react as an enemy.

VERY weak strawman argument = absurd.

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Response to patrice (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:56 PM

40. Apparently you are an enemy then.

 

Oh well.

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Response to Monty22001 (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 02:18 PM

41. Deflection. We were talking about foreign policy based upon insults & threats. I'm sorry you

feel the need to try to turn the truth into a threat to yourself and then to intentionally use that as "justification" for calling someone else the enemy and, hence, obfuscate and deflect the point rather than dealing with the facts.

You just proved my entire case about Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

Thank you.

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Response to patrice (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:27 PM

42. .

 

You probably have no clue on what you really want. Without this, we have to rely on MAD with rogue nations. Is that what you prefer? Or would you just get rid of all our weapons in hopes that they will do so as well?

Which is it? I know you'll just dodge and evade instead of answer, so what's the point. Surprise me maybe and explain.

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Response to Monty22001 (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 08:02 PM

44. "You probably . . . " think I'm dumb enough to go for this feint. Here's a surprise for you,

I will not honor your lack of respect with a response to bait-and-switch-to-ridicule and false either-this-or-that "choices".

No.

Now is the opportunity for the next lines in a highly predictable boiler-plate script, lines that play to lurking ditto-heads who either can't, or don't care to, recognize rationally dysfunctional rhetoric TTE "See, I told you so, ______________ can't _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ", when such an inference is NOT logically necessary, whether anyone wants to pretend it is or not.

There are other justifiable inferences to be made from rejection of such rhetorical bait, other inferences which I predict will be denied, because it appears that you may be like some who can't deal with free autonomous others on their own terms, hence "solutions" comprised of games, insults, and ultimately implied violence of one type or another.

In short, I'm not anyone's monkey and those who make that kind of mistake about other people should become aware of how ludicrous they appear to others.

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Response to patrice (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 12:13 AM

45. As I expected

 

You dodged and didn't answer. Thank you.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 12:43 PM

24. The Machine War cometh: Drones -> anti-Drones/Missiles -> Missile-shield -> anti-Missile-shields ->?

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Response to patrice (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 1, 2012, 12:42 AM

34. That's humanity..

 

Yes, there are pro offense and pro defense.

What are you going to do, interupt it with love? Maybe. It's really hard to make things so darn cut and dry.

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Response to Monty22001 (Reply #34)

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 05:18 PM

39. "That's humanity.." = "cut and dry." At least some humans are capable of creativity. Some ARE

freeing themselves and others, so they very possibly will not fit into your/others' closed/cut-and-dry definition of what humanity is.

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:32 PM

27. One reason there isn't peace in the world.... The U.S. arms the world...

over a 3 billion contract for missiles... another 3.5 billion in new fighter jets to UAE....95% of the weapons used across the border in Mexico are shipped in from the U.S.....

I am pretty certain it is the U.S. best interest to not have peace in the world. Could you imagine the loss in jobs.... the reduction in the military...

I am now convinced we actually try to keep the fires burning so we can maintain our economy to some degree.

Vietnam was a great example... Johnson took care of his former state of Texas with huge military contracts for arms.

When will the madness end?

YM

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Response to Zorro (Original post)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 06:33 PM

33. What a waste of freakin money

"Missile defense" never worked and it never will.

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