Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:51 AM
kpete (39,116 posts)
Jeb Bush Blasts GOP, Says Party Is ‘Short-Sighted’ On Tax And Immigration Policies
Source: Think Progress
During an interview with Charlie Rose Thursday morning, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) called for increases in revenues to help solve the nation’s debt problem, but admitted that he wouldn’t be able to hold that position were he running for office within the modern Republican Party. BUSH: Look, I can appreciate why they are reluctant to say that because commitments on spending are hard to implement. Commitments on raising taxes immediately happen…But if you’re asked a hypothetical question, which I was ROSE: And only you had the, as they say, courage to say, I wouldn’t go there. BUSH: It was living proof I’m not running for anything… ROSE: If they hadn’t been running they might have said something different? BUSH: I hope so. Because we have unsustainable deficits. http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/07/495980/jeb-bush-short-sighted-tax/ Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/07/495980/jeb-bush-short-sighted-tax/
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| kpete | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| Skinner | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| BlueDemKev | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| jerseyjack | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| RufusTFirefly | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| woodsprite | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| hifiguy | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| wordpix | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| calimary | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| PearliePoo2 | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| calimary | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| grantcart | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| rocktivity | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| JohnnyRingo | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| LongTomH | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| truthisfreedom | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| Zoeisright | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| HooptieWagon | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| BlueDemKev | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| cstanleytech | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| DCKit | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| melm00se | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| Vogon_Glory | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| marble falls | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| Solly Mack | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| LiberalLovinLug | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| Douglas Carpenter | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| kemah | Jun 2012 | #27 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:03 AM
Skinner (57,545 posts)
1. He's not running for president. (nt)
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Response to Skinner (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
BlueDemKev (2,653 posts)
16. Thank God!!
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Jeb Bush governed Florida like he was a dictator, screwing up public education and classroom teachers with his standardized testing bull shit.
The dangerous thing about him is, unlike his brother Dubya, the guy is extremely smart. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:08 AM
jerseyjack (1,361 posts)
2. He's Toast in the Repuke Party
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:09 AM
RufusTFirefly (4,933 posts)
3. Jebbie is clearly positioning himself as a moderate. I find this ominous.
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Does he want to be Veep? Or is he looking ahead to 2016?
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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:13 AM
woodsprite (5,858 posts)
5. I think 2016. Too drastic of a change from the pukes in 2012.
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But he's getting it set up. I think, even in 2016, that he's gonna find that he has a lot of leftover crap feelings from when his bro was in office, but he's trying.
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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:20 AM
rhett o rick (27,762 posts)
6. He is clearly running for president. nm
Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:58 AM
hifiguy (13,029 posts)
8. 2016, clearly.
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Position himself as a faux "moderate" and hope everyone has forgotten about His Chimpiness by then.
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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:27 PM
wordpix (12,502 posts)
11. all we need - continuation of the * dynasty
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Jebbie will get input from disgraced King GW...
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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:55 PM
calimary (30,767 posts)
15. Yeah, I do too. That's exactly what it looks like.
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Last edited Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:56 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Hey, guys, it's just fact-based reality: BE SUSPICIOUS. ESPECIALLY if it's a republi-CON. They don't change their stripes. This guy is another bush family reptile. Covered with nice-guy clothes. But still a reptile.
I wouldn't trust a bush, particularly ol' jebbie, farther than I can throw my house. Don't forget - he was a principle signatory of the PNAC, Project for the New American Century. That's the very same one that called for America "to fight and decisively win (HAH! Yeah, SURE, decisively) multiple wars on multiple fronts" in order to protect our position at the top of the economic international ziggurat. It envisioned us enforcing empire at all costs. And it speculated about the exact best way to get the public behind it, against their own best interests: (paraphrasing) "what we need is a new Pearl Harbor" - some sort of national catastrophe that befalls us from external forces, that fires up the kind of blind blood lust for revenge that, funny enough, we actually witnessed within a couple-three years or so of its limited publication - on September 11th 2001. Frankly I think that's what fueled most of the MIHOP (Make It Happen On Purpose) suspicions of the then-new bush2 administration. Especially recalling that he said and did nothing when presented with that alarming Presidential Daily Brief on August 6th, I think it was, 2001, warning that al Qaeda was planning to strike within the US. I believe what he said when a CIA guy tried to warn him - "well, you've covered yer ass now." jebbie SIGNED OFF ON THAT. He SIGNED IT, along with cheney and paul wolfowitz and bill kristol and a number of platinum-level CONservative operatives and chickenhawks and powers-behind-the-throne, and other various architects and cheerleaders of what became our abysmal adventure in Iraq. One other thing, btw, just as long as I'm remembering, even if it is off-subject (sorry): I personally was shocked when I read down that list and spotted michael o'hanlon's name on there. He was (and I think still is) high up in the Brookings Institution, which through the early years of the bush2 administration was one of the rare few "liberal" figures allowed on the airwaves to counter the armies of GOP and CON slobberers over the war. They'd invariably throw on michael o'hanlon on camera purportedly to offer the "other side." Which he never really did. Because he was actually one of them. BASTARD. I notice that he's not sticking his head out too far above the foxhole anymore. Wonder if a few too many people found out about his "credibility." |
Response to calimary (Reply #15)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:46 PM
PearliePoo2 (2,923 posts)
20. You are exactly right on all counts!
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although I did not know Jebbie was a filthy, PNAC bastard!
Nice post! |
Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #20)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:20 PM
calimary (30,767 posts)
25. Yep, his name was there on that list.
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Signatories to Statement of Principles
Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett John Ellis "Jeb" Bush Richard B. Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby Norman Podhoretz J. Danforth Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz Up at the very top: Project directors William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman Robert Kagan, Co-founder Bruce P. Jackson Mark Gerson Randy Scheunemann randy scheunemann - keep an eye on him. EVIL. He was brought in as john mccain's foreign policy/national security advisor, and he's the one who tried, in vain, to coach sarah palin for her debate with Joe Biden. He even admitted he went away from there just shaking his head. And bill kristol, the publisher of the "Weekly Standard," needs to be watched as well. It's important to see where these people go, who they line up with, who they're brought in to advise - like how many of these ruthless assholes will be on romney's staff. rummy and john bolton, michael o'hanlon, dan quayle, and a whole host of other rogues and demons are signatories here: Signatories or contributors to other significant letters or reports http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century |
Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #3)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 11:22 AM
grantcart (38,895 posts)
28. 2016
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They want Romney and his VEEP to go down in an electoral landslide so it helps clear the way to 2016. If he were to be VEEP and Romney had a close finish then Romney is going to run again. This isn't the first, and won't be the last time that Jeb undercuts Romney in this campaign. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:12 AM
rocktivity (36,684 posts)
4. (Maxwell Smart voice) "The old 'Outraged Conservative Moderate' Trick!"
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But unlike his bro, at least he's not pretending that he wouldn't make a sharp right turn once in office.
rocktivity |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
JohnnyRingo (9,344 posts)
7. Romney can check that name off the list
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In the end, the Teabaggers, which is to say all Republicans now, will settle for nothing less than a VP candidate who channels Mussolini and takes orders from Norquist.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:19 PM
LongTomH (4,043 posts)
9. Don't worry, Jebby! You WON'T hold that position when you run for Prez!
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Sticky note for Mitt: Don't forget to mail etch-a-sketch to Jeb Bush after 2012 campaign!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:23 PM
rhett o rick (27,762 posts)
10. It's still not too late for 2012. What if Romney crashes and burns in the next month or two?
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What if Karl Rove finds something on him that cannot be swept under the carpet, esp if the Bush Family doesnt want it to be?
If by some Rovian "miracle", Jeb becomes the candidate with only months to go, he will have avoided all those horrible debates. Those debates that were totally stupid to put your real candidate thru. Now some will say that it is too late for Jeb to launch a campaign. I disagree. Those idiots that were planning on voting for Romney will not decide to change to Obama vs. Bush. Those same idiots wont care about the Bush legacy. I think WI was the test. Whatever they did to win can certainly be used to push Bush thru. Just sayin |
Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:08 PM
truthisfreedom (17,692 posts)
29. It would take something like Romney impersonating a cop, wearing a state trooper uniform, and
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pulling people over with a flashing red light on his car.
But we could never get that lucky, could we? 8^D |
Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #29)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:15 PM
rhett o rick (27,762 posts)
30. There is no luck involved here. I believe that the corp-oligarchs are still deciding
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Last edited Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:16 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) if Pres Obama is vulnerable. I believe that Rove has something up his sleeve that would take Rmoney down if this is the time for Jeb to make his move. Recent jabs at Rmoney by Jeb in the press are curious. Is he just getting started for 2016 or is there still a chance for 2012.
With Citizen's United behind him, I believe Rove can bring almost anyone down. Even maybe Pres Obama. Remember, it doesnt have to be true, only believable and the MSM is a willing accomplice. ps: on edit, my track record on this is below zero. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
Zoeisright (8,010 posts)
12. "Modern" Repuke party?
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Not the word I would have chosen. "Backward", "Medieval", and "Crushingly Stupid" are more accurate.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:57 PM
HooptieWagon (6,652 posts)
13. Never thought Id see the day
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When Jeb would be a "moderate" rethug. Just goes to show how extreme the party has become.
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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #13)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:06 PM
BlueDemKev (2,653 posts)
18. Yep. It's beyond scary...
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:00 PM
cstanleytech (5,509 posts)
14. I'm not buying his song and dance. nt
Response to cstanleytech (Reply #14)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:05 PM
DCKit (18,541 posts)
17. Series. After what he did to Florida.
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I don't think Babs was ever capable of squeezing out a non-psychopath. He's angling for something.
If anything, the Bushes have given me a greater understanding and liking for my own totally fucked-up family. They're a whole other level of dysfunction. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:36 PM
melm00se (2,441 posts)
19. it's quite possible,
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based upon some of the analyses of political division in the USA, Bush may see an opportunity to drive straight up the middle as an alternative 3rd party, more centrist candidate than each of the mainstream candidates appear to be (from the opposing sides POV).
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Response to melm00se (Reply #19)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:22 AM
Vogon_Glory (3,866 posts)
26. Bushwah! We Already HAVE A Centrist Candidate!
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Bushwah! We Democrats already HAVE a centrist presidential candidate! Barack Obama is a centrist with an economic policy well to the right of the policies of FDR's New Deal and Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. President Obama's economic policies bear a strong resemblance to the effectively-centrist economic policies of Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.
The right-wing Republican Party and its Tea Party fringe have turned the GOP into a right-wing party with an extremist agenda. They no longer HAVE anything resembling a political center, except among clueless long-time voters that haven't noticed their party's shift to the right or other clueless voters who hope (in vain) that the GOP is "going to swing back to the center" (About as unlikely as flying pigs, conga-lines of dancing armadillos, and the tooth fairy leaving the poorest children of America $20 gold pieces under their pillow every time they lose baby teeth). We Democrats are not only the liberals, but we ARE the center. The Elephant Party and its affiliates AREN'T. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:26 PM
marble falls (2,103 posts)
21. Jeb's positioning for 2016.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:17 PM
LiberalLovinLug (2,059 posts)
23. I also remember his bro sounding "moderate"
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when he was running for leadership. He said he was against "nation building". He also sounded quite moderate.
During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'" http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-646142.html This is a total setup. He is going to be presented as a moderate who will be a "compassionate conservative". Hmmm where have I heard that before? |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:25 PM
Douglas Carpenter (15,359 posts)
24. Bush Jr. made Reagan sound resonable and moderate in comparison. Now we are at a point where
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Bush Jr. and his brother now sound moderate and reasonable in comparison to today's Republican Party. Where will this all end? What is disconcerting is that no matter how far to the right, how unreasonable and how extreme the Republican Party moves - they still remain a very strong and viable political entity that now holds the House of Representatives and could very well win control of the Senate and is within striking distance of once again completely controlling all three branches of government - all with minimal critique from the media.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:41 AM
kemah (243 posts)
27. The gop knows they are in big trouble in the future.
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Their base is dying off, NRA membership is dropping every year,
I took my two boys to a gun range and they were not impressed, they have more fun playing Halo, then shooting at targets, plus it is more expensive than Halo. bullets cost $1 each. The wedge issues do not work on young people, that's why they are trying to suppress the student vote. Immigrants are the growing majority, they will certainly not vote for "self-deport, fence building, no Dream Act, Romney. So Jeb and Rove are trying to appeal to young and immigrants, but they have no substance and their scare tactics, "gay, cuts to pell grants, no to birth control, pro life, gun rights, is not going to work on immigrants and the young. They are going to vote for their self-interests just like the 1% do. |

