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Judi Lynn

(160,423 posts)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:41 AM Jun 2012

A month before Mexico vote, leftist makes gains

Source: Agence France-Presse

A month before Mexico vote, leftist makes gains
AFP
Sun Jun 03 2012 11:27:01 GMT+0400 (Arabian Standard Time) Oman Time

Mexico: The outcome of Mexico's July 1 presidential vote looks more uncertain than expected, as the race tightens with the leftist candidate closing in on the frontrunner.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, who lost by a narrow margin in 2006, was in third place in polls -- sometimes even 20 points behind Enrique Pena Nieto of the long-dominant Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) -- until just days ago.

But now, the former mayor of Mexico City is just a few single-digit points behind Pena Nieto in some polls. A survey published Thursday in the Reforma daily showed Lopez Obrador had 34 percent support, only four points behind the frontrunner.

The results were a dramatic narrowing compared to just one week before, when Pena Nieto had a 15-point lead over Lopez Obrador, who represents a coalition between the Party of the Democratic Revolution, the Labor Party and Citizen's Movement Party.

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A month before Mexico vote, leftist makes gains (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2012 OP
Student movement have spiced up Mexico’s election campaign Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #1
Wonderful news! bitchkitty Jun 2012 #2
So exciting to see more people rise up against austerity - TBF Jun 2012 #3
Fwiw, anecdotal & 2012 (not 2006): This ain't your parents' AMLO UTUSN Jun 2012 #4
It's hardly a recommendation of Amlo that he has "learned" not to be like Chavez... Peace Patriot Jun 2012 #7
I never intimated that my reportage was a recommendation. I just see posters talking about AMLO UTUSN Jun 2012 #8
Bookmarking the thread here! Will consider, have friends who have family in Mexico. freshwest Jun 2012 #9
Oh, holy Zeus!1 So anybody with a differing opinion must be brainwashed!1 That's the ticket!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2012 #10
I'm looking for all the different opinions. Have you Picked a side in the Chavez pissing contest? freshwest Jun 2012 #11
My "beef with (you) here?" There was nothing personal about my commenting on your UTUSN Jun 2012 #13
I recognize the dynamics and don't think anything is written in stone. I don't have enough knowledge freshwest Jun 2012 #14
Thank you for this most-insightful post Peace Patriot! n/t veness Jun 2012 #18
Many knowledeable observers said Obrador won the last time. byeya Jun 2012 #5
itll be interesting iamthebandfanman Jun 2012 #6
Well I hope Obrador makes it to the run-off. David__77 Jun 2012 #12
I'm sure few people here know that much about Obrador, Proles Jun 2012 #15
He should have just quietly accepted a stolen election? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #16
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador didn't block the streets. The MILLIONS of people who had voted for him Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #17

Judi Lynn

(160,423 posts)
1. Student movement have spiced up Mexico’s election campaign
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:50 AM
Jun 2012

Sun, 06/03/2012 - 04:18
Student movement have spiced up Mexico’s election campaign

“Welcome to the Mexican spring, where the youth have flourish and spread their ideas like pollen, where the hearts are lit, opens minds and makes tangible the illusion. Welcome to this day that we can change the course of our time, united and organized we can tip the balance. No longer nuances of language will separate us, will be connected like never before. No longer we will fear, no longer we will wait. The youth has awakened and shaken those still asleep, listless, the corrupt, manipulators and the rulers who wants to exploit the people and to continue bloated their ego. Its time for a change, time to connect our compasses to the same direction, time to gather and start the explosion. It’s time for a different Mexico. We aren’t two, we aren’t one hundred, we are more then 132, we are thousands...!”

With these words, a young student gave the welcoming to thousands of students gathered in the campus of Mexico’s most famed university, the National Autonomous University of Mexico, for the first general assembly of the student movement known as #YoSoy132 or “I am 132”, that took place on May 30th.

The students movement that its entering to its third week, are protesting against television duopoly and information bias regarding to the current presidential election campaign, especially Mexico’s main television network, "Televisa", which according to them, this network is unfairly boosting the candidate, Enrique Peña Nieto from the former ruling party, the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), which is currently leading the polls. They are demanding the democratization and openness of Mexico’s mainstream media, a fair and transparent election. The movement is also joining and supporting other social causes of the country.

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The movement rose spontaneously after the frontrunner candidate, Enrique Peña Nieto, visited the private Iberoamericana University in Mexico City on May 11th, where students confronted him on his record as governor of the State of Mexico. The student showed their repudiation by chanting “The Ibero doesn’t want you!” "Coward! or “Assassin!”, recalling the Atenco police crackdown in 2006.

More:
http://frommexico.blogs.france24.com/article/2012/06/03/student-movement-have-spiced-mexico-s-election-campaign-0







bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
2. Wonderful news!
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 06:43 AM
Jun 2012

Years ago, my husband used to say that Mexico, his home, would be socialist one day. Maybe he'll live to see it! I hope I will.

TBF

(32,000 posts)
3. So exciting to see more people rise up against austerity -
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:57 AM
Jun 2012

maybe folks here will get some ideas!

("here meaning" the US not necessarily DU - although it applies on this website to some as well).

UTUSN

(70,641 posts)
4. Fwiw, anecdotal & 2012 (not 2006): This ain't your parents' AMLO
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jun 2012

These people (friends in Mexico) are from what passes for middle class in Mexico, working, edging into upper income. They were totally there for PAN when it took over with FOX. I was shocked when they told me they are possibly for AMLO today.

Here's the deal, for them PRI is a dirty word. They say that PAN/CALDERON has done a lot but has been kept cornered with his cartel war. That he farmed out federal cash to the states but didn't keep them accountable for how they spent it, that he has implemented significant social services programs but is not getting credit for it.

As for AMLO, they said he is not the way he was in the previous cycle, that back then he criticized a few "entrepreneurs" (or was it "empresarios&quot and this ballooned into an image of being something like CHAVEZ, but that he has "learned" about his mistakes, that now several "entrepreneurs"/empresarios are financially backing him now and that he cannot buck them like before and will be "kept in line" and "not follow the CHAVEZ route."

I was flabbergasted, asking about his having been portrayed as "messianic." They totally pooh-pooed this, with more references to how he has "learned."

Really, the Latin America specialists here who have known me to be totally anti-CHAVEZ will surely school me, but my shock was based on how FLUID the political loyalties seemed to be, instead of my fixed loyalty to the Democratic party. It had seemed to me inconceivable that they would switch from what seemed one extreme to the other. The one thing they were firm about was their detestation of the PRI.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
7. It's hardly a recommendation of Amlo that he has "learned" not to be like Chavez...
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jun 2012

because,

a) the Chavez government recently earned Venezuela designation as "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution, by the UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean;

b) Venezuelans rate their own country 5th in the world on their own welfare and prospects for the future;

c) Venezuelans enjoy free universal health care, greatly expanded educational opportunities, good wages and benefits, low unemployment, dramatic drops in poverty (50%) and extreme poverty (70%) and an expanding economy (7%) despite the Bushwhack-induced depression (following a period of yet more growth, a sizzling 10%, during the 2003-2008 period); and

d) over the last decade, with Chavez as president, Venezuelans have seen greatly expanded citizen participation, high voter turnouts and one of the most honest and transparent election systems in the world (far, FAR better than our own).

I wonder what this rightwing "meme" means, that "not following the Chavez line" is somehow a good thing. I suspect that it has to do with the main offenses of the Chavez government against the transglobal corporate rulers who control the media, that:

a) the Chavez government survived the rightwing coup attempt in 2002, a plot driven by RCTV that has been called the first "media coup," and then had the nerve not to renew RCTV's license to use the public airwaves;

b) the Chavez government socked Exxon Mobil in the nose (wouldn't we like to see a president who did that?!), by demanding a better deal for Venezuela on the oil contracts, and, when Exxon Mobil tried to pull their bully crapola, told Exxon Mobil to talk a walk (--nobody does this to Exxon Mobil and gets away with it!);

c) the Chavez government and the people of Venezuela were the pioneers of the leftist democracy movement that has swept South America into Central America, with leftist governments also elected in Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Paraguay, Peru, Nicaragua and other places, which are now COOPERATING on goals of social justice, the use of resources for public benefit, establishment of LatAm independence, rejection of usurious and destructive IMF/World Bank "loans," rejection of "austerity," and so on--Venezuela is a key actor in the UNITY of Latin American countries AGAINST transglobal corporate rule (war, "privatization" of public resources, looting of public programs, "austerity" for the poor while the rich get richer).

d) Venezuelans and Chavez also provide the most innovative example of a "New Deal"-like government in the world--the very thing that transglobal corporations want us to forget about.

For these offenses--for being the leader of the "New Deal" movement in LatAm--Chavez and his government, and, by implication, the people of Venezuela (who are never mentioned) suffer non-stop slander, lies and disinformation from the corporate media and the U.S. State Department, and all kinds of attempted interference (including, for instance, USAID funding of the rightwing opposition in Venezuela, and CIA dirty tricks, like the "suitcase full of money" caper out of Miami, circa late Bush Junta).

I do sympathize with Amlo and other leftists who have to deal with transglobal corporate media control and who, like Ollanta Humala in Peru, feel that they have to "distance themselves" from Chavez in order not to suffer character assassination by the corporate media or, indeed, actual assassination or "dirty tricks" by the CIA and/or its local agents--or, once elected, U.S. supported coup d'tats, as in Honduras. Only one leftist LatAm leader has gone this route--Humala--probably because Peru was already saddled with a U.S. "free trade for the rich" agreement, which curtails Peru's sovereignty and independence, but I imagine that it is thought especially necessary in Central America, for several reasons, among them that Central America is the U.S. "circle the wagons" region, where the U.S. is attempting to firmly establish "free trade for the rich" and Pentagon "Southern Command" control, in the face of the massive rebellion against the U.S. in South America.

As one Honduran coup general put it, their coup was intended to "prevent communism from Venezuela reaching the United States" (quoted in the report on the coup by the Zelaya government-in-exile). Venezuela, of course, is a democracy, where the voters have voted themselves a "New Deal." THAT is what the corporate rulers and their tools, like this Honduran general, fear--that we will remember that democracy can produce social justice.

How might we remember that, given our rigged elections and total dominance of corporate cash and corporate media in our political system? By there being an actual, on-going example of it, right in this hemisphere--an example that has already inspired other people to elect "New Deal" governments.

The Honduran coup is probably the main instiller of fear in good leaders like Amlo, in Central America. They KNOW that that coup was aimed at them--and that Zelaya's offenses were that he was an advocate of the poor majority, had raised the minimum wage (offending Chiquita International and U.S. clothing retailers), opposed privatization (offending John McCain in his telecommunications interests in Honduras), championed the labor unions (offending U.S. "free traders" like Clinton), was working with the unions and other progressive groups to address constitutional reform (Honduras' constitution was written by Reagan's henchmen in the 1980s, to insure military and the "ten families" control of Honduras), advocated conversion of the U.S. air base in Honduras to an international commercial airport (badly needed in Honduras) (--thus offending the Pentagon) and, worst of all, joined ALBA, the Venezuela-organized trade group for Central America/Caribbean countries (by which Honduras was receiving discount oil from Venezuela, so that Zelaya, for instance, could lower the price of bus tickets for poor Honduran laborers).

The goddamned LIE that Zelaya was trying to amend the constitution to extend his own term of office--a lie cooked up by a Washington P.R. firm--is STILL BELIEVED by most North Americans. This is what Amlo fears. And he has very good reason to fear it, not only because the end result of this "Big Lie" was Zelaya being removed from his own country at gunpoint (with a re-fueling stop at the U.S. air base in Honduras), but also because Amlo himself has already been smeared, during the previous election (which he lost by a hairsbreadth, probably rigged by the Bushwhacks). He was smeared, a) as being "pro-Chavez" and b) as being "messianic"--in a corporate "narrative" that was probably designed to accompany the stolen election.

They smear Chavez, unmercifully--building up an entirely false image of "dictator." Then they use that goddamned lie to tell OTHER goddamn lies! Against Zelaya. Against Amlo. Against ANY leader who dares to champion the poor majority, and who dares to challenge U.S. corporate/war profiteer interests. Against Morales in Bolivia, Correa in Ecuador, Fernandez in Argentina, Ortega in Nicaragua. They are a little more circumspect about powerful Brazil, but they clearly loathe Brazil's alliance with these other leftist governments, and have been trying "divide and conquer" tactics on that front (all failed).

Chavez is their great bugaboo. What does "Chavez" mean? To most Venezuelans that name means FAIRNESS and the rise of LatAm independence, at long last. To our corporate/war profiteer rulers, it means the greatest horror of all: the "New Deal." (Please remember that FDR was ALSO called a "dictator" by the rich few and by the rightwing assholes who serve them in government and media, of that day.)

Leftist political strategists in some cases MUST deal with this kind of corporate media LYING. It has been defeated in Venezuela and other LatAm countries by awesome grass roots organizing and by the determination of the poor majority to elect governments that will do the will of the people--but it is a hard row, to say the least. We North Americans have failed at it, thus far. Our corporate rulers have ground us into the dust. We are broken and bleeding, as a people, and we are only just starting to raise our heads once again in our own defense and defense of our once great democracy. Latin Americans have already done it, in many countries--with the Venezuelan people and their elected government in the lead. THAT is why our corporate rulers hate and loathe Venezuela so much, and so demonize their president--a leader who has actually DONE the will of the people, with considerable courage and creativity and success.

This utter phantom--"dictator Chavez"--has been made "real" by its repetition NOT by facts. And thus--however unreal and non-factual it is--it is a political reality that a leftist leader like Amlo, especially in a country that is right on the U.S. border, must respond to in some effective way, so that it can't be used to throw dust in the eyes of Mexican voters.

"Chavez the dictator" is no more real than the WMDs in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered by the latter lie. It is no more real than that "austerity" will end a depression. Millions of people are being DELIBERATELY impoverished by that lie, to enrich the rich ever more and to destroy democratic government altogether. Leaders who are on our side--on the side of the majority (the poor, the workers, the middle class, those who love peace and justice and fair play, and good government)--MUST deal with these lies, one way or another. The lies are very powerful and they are pounded into peoples' brains, day in, day out, by corporate control of our public airwaves and virtually all media (except the internet, and they're working on that).

So, what I see in the people you describe, is the word getting out--probably by grass roots networks--that "not following the CHAVEZ route" is a complete shibboleth, created by the corporate media, to serve corporate/war profiteer interests. The "Chavez route" repeatedly endorsed by Venezuelan voters, by big margins, in several elections, in a fair and transparent election system, is a "route" TOWARD more democracy and more fairness. The "dictator" phantom is completely irrelevant because it is a phantom. But these Mexican voters are sort of between phantom and true reality. Amlo and his supporters have been able to detach Amlo from this "Big Lie." And the next lie that has to fall is that increasing citizen participation, running fair and transparent elections, supporting education, helping the poor majority--and the many other accomplishments of the Chavez government--are somehow "dictatorial."

I feel for people who are trying to understand reality in the "Alice in Wonderland" world of the corporate media and U.S. government propaganda. These folks seem to me to be half-way there--half way to recognizing the "Big Lie" that has been perpetrated about "Chavez" AND about Amlo. If Mexican voters elect Amlo, they will find that Mexico is in good company in LatAm, with leaders like Chavez in Venezuela, Dilma Rousseff in Brazil (and Lula da Silva before her), and all the others COOPERATING with each other, to help the poor, to create prosperity in which all share and to better democratize their societies.

It is NOT EASY to see this reality through the "Iron Curtain" of blocked information and disinformation that we live under, here and there. But that IS the reality--and Mexicans, who mounted one of the most awesome democracy revolutions in the world, at one time--deserve to be part of this: American Revolution II.

UTUSN

(70,641 posts)
8. I never intimated that my reportage was a recommendation. I just see posters talking about AMLO
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jun 2012

in their frozen image of 2006. Today is another day, and I myself who have no say-so in some other country's election, would have no truck with Mr AMLO no matter what he "learned." The word in quotes was a quote. From them. From Mexicans. Not my word, not my approbation, not my anything.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Bookmarking the thread here! Will consider, have friends who have family in Mexico.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jun 2012

They hate Chavez, but then they watch FOX news, too.

UTUSN

(70,641 posts)
10. Oh, holy Zeus!1 So anybody with a differing opinion must be brainwashed!1 That's the ticket!1 n/t
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. I'm looking for all the different opinions. Have you Picked a side in the Chavez pissing contest?
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jun 2012

I haven't, but am considering what my friends say, who are fluent in written and spoken Spanish, read the Latin American newspapers. They have strong opinions which I don't understand. They are anti-Cuban, anti-Puerto Rican. I suspect they are like people in Europe, with shared history but long-time animosities which I am uninterested in.

They are the most insistent about the dangers of traveling across the border or even going near, saying it is not safe and the hysteria by Brewer is not out of place considering what's going on there. They are hurt though, by the thought they will be discriminated against for being Latino. All the men in the family have been in the armed forces and they have a different view than many people who are anti-war.

If a change in government in Mexico or any other country south of the border will bring that carnage to an end, I'm all for it. Perhaps your comment is meant more to Pacific Patriot, but his commentary closely matched that of some immigrants I know from Mexico.

They were all university educated with business degrees and thought they were going to do well in the 1980's. Instead, they came to the USA to make minimum wage or less jobs to support their families in Mexico when the factories they were managing were shut down. I found them to be most gracious people, trending towards socialism.

However, when we discussed the ways it could be reformed, just like my other friends who have been here for many generations, they despair that anything will change in Mexico because of corruption. They told me in the 1980's how the ruling party had muzzled the press, and my other friends said that it is stupid to even report the cartels and get killed. They've also given up on American politics as they feel the same ways of governing have taken over here.

Do you actually have a dog in this fight, is why you're picking sides, as it appears and what exactly is your beef with me here? I trend toward the socialist end, if that is your beef. But I am also a realist and support Obama. The majority in this country does still have a say, and I suspect in some form that the governments down south have support, it's not all B & W. If this is just a passing shot at me you're making here, we can forget it.

UTUSN

(70,641 posts)
13. My "beef with (you) here?" There was nothing personal about my commenting on your
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jun 2012

"They hate Chavez, but then they watch FOX news, too." Doesn't that insinuate that the people who hate CHAVEZ might be getting their opinions from a wingnut source?

Since LBN has long been an outlet for Huguito followers, who brook NO dissent about him, and who frequently comment the way you did that anybody who dissents must be parroting wingnut talking points, I assumed you were familiar with the dynamics here.

I, the way I believe ALL Democratic partisans are, have a core of idealism. I believe that Huguito's followers are deeply idealistic AND are being naive about him.

As for dogs in fights, I don't attack other DUers. Often, when I have attacked Hugito or, in other topics, have attacked wingnuts or other ideological enemies of Democratic partisanship, I have been personally attacked -- notice the difference?. eom

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. I recognize the dynamics and don't think anything is written in stone. I don't have enough knowledge
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jun 2012

About your 'Hugito'which I guess means that you have picked a side. I really don't care that you do. As I tried to express, I have mixed feelings from the news stories, and from my friends, an have a ideological bent towards socialism.

I am not implying anything about you and did not address you until you invoked Zeus and appeared to have taken a stand regarding Chavez. Once again, I am not making this personal, and I have not read your posts on this thread, and the OP is not yours. I was skimming which is something that people do.

I found Pacific's long post and it resonated with what my immigrant friends have said. Do you object to that so much that you reply to me in this fashion and keep going? I feel if not making it personal, you are at least being biased in your response to me here and seem angry. I don't do those kind of posts. If I am getting angry I put the person on Ignore, or if I speak in anger, I often delete. That is not the person that I want to be to my fellow DUers here.

I don't slam my friends, they are my extended family, but I don't think FOX is a good news source. They do however share their translations of the various newspapers and media sources. They are rightwing people, but they love me. The others are leftwing people, but they love me.

I am not the people that may made assumptions about your feelings about Chavez. I am not responsible for other people that have attacked you and will not carry that burden. Asking what the 'beef' is when one practically yells, IMHO, at me in a saracastic manner, is not an attack. I wanted to know why your tone was that way and explained my friends' political views, which you did not see fit to respond to in your reply. Please consider this the EOM from me.

Peace Out.




 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
5. Many knowledeable observers said Obrador won the last time.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:07 AM
Jun 2012

My guess is that the election will be stolen again, sad to say.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
6. itll be interesting
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jun 2012

to see what happens..
the right in mexico is just as bad as any organised crime gang they have...

they stole the last election, so im sure theyll just do it again...
the question is, how will the people of mexico react a second time

David__77

(23,311 posts)
12. Well I hope Obrador makes it to the run-off.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jun 2012

The media will be relentless in promoting Nieto. I have some concern that Obrador may have a strong streak of opportunism, but he'd obviously be the best of the three leading contenders. PAN should be consigned back to the margins of political life.

Proles

(466 posts)
15. I'm sure few people here know that much about Obrador,
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:18 AM
Jun 2012

so the natural instinct is to say, "yeah, a leftist taking the presidency!" But as a Mexican myself, I would be very, very reluctant to support him.

Maybe he should have won in 2006, maybe he shouldn't have, but the way he handled it was very misguided.

This guy blocked streets so that the President couldn't meet with legislators, threatened to interfere with the inauguration, and threatened to establish a parallel government. Frankly, the guy is a nut, and it's a shame that he represents the party. He had ulterior motives, and the actions he's taken show an overall disdain for Mexico's democratic process.

With that said, none of the other candidates are stellar either.

Judi Lynn

(160,423 posts)
17. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador didn't block the streets. The MILLIONS of people who had voted for him
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jun 2012

blocked the streets in the town center, coming by any means possible to the capital to protest what they absolutely believed had been a stolen election, and they believed it so wholeheartedly they stayed a very long time, risking their own lives, and sacrificing a great deal of desperately needed income back at their homes, to be there in the flesh to back up their convictions.

It was absolutely no small matter.

DU'ers are very familiar with that election, some of us even sitting together overnight as the strange voting results started coming in well after everyone who thought AMLO had won had already gone to sleep.

Don't think you'll make any converts here among the progressives who come here to share information.

If your conservative government had felt enough discomfort with the amazing proof of Mexican opposition to the stolen election, they could have made it all go away by simply RECOUNTING the votes properly. Apparently they like the results they arranged just fine.

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