Netanyahu plans fence around Israel to protect it from 'wild beasts'
Source: The Guardian
Binyamin Netanyahu has announced his intention to surround all of Israel with a fence to protect the country from infiltration by both Palestinians and the citizens of surrounding Arab states, whom he described as wild beasts.
The Israeli prime minister unveiled the proposal during a tour of the Jordan border area in Israels south, adding that the project which would cost billions of shekels would also be aimed at solving the problem of Hamas infiltration tunnels from Gaza, a recent source of renewed concern.
He called the border project a part of a multi-year plan to surround Israel with security fences to protect ourselves in the current and projected Middle East.
Describing the need for new walls and fences on Tuesday, Netanyahu said: In our neighbourhood, we need to protect ourselves from wild beasts.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/10/netanyahu-plans-fence-around-israel-to-protect-it-from-wild-beasts
enough
(13,256 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)What's that quote about fighting monsters?
svpadgham
(670 posts)He's letting us know what he's going to buy with our money.
dembotoz
(16,799 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)with their lives
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)when was the last time there was a major terrorist attack in Israel? There was a time when bombs on buses and in restaurants were a regular occurrence. Not any more.
MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)But regarding walls, I do believe they make good neighbors.
For example, Eqypt has a wall that makes Israel's pale in comparison. Do people also object to that?
Or are Jews just held to a higher standard? Sounds a bit racists against Egyptians.
Build a wall around your 1967 borders, dismantle all of the illegal settlements on Palestinian land, and withdraw all of your forces from areas outside this wall, Netanyahu.
Your country has really become a menace to peace in the Middle East, so self-imprisonment is actually a good thing as long as you don't come out.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)It would seem Syria, directly north of Israel, where hundreds of thousands have died, is a far greater menace. And Iraq where ISIS controls large amounts of the country is a far greater menace. But I guess they get a pass.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)that is being attacked by proxy armies from almost a dozen different countries looking to either save it or break it up. Syria has not launched aggressive wars against its neighbors - Israel has done that many times, in addition to constantly threatening to attack another (Iran). Iraq is also being attacked by the same people in hopes of chopping it up into three smaller states.
Israel has been quietly supporting the overthrow of their neighbor to the north in favor of paid fighters who are also supposedly Islamic radicals (and we know all Islamic radicals intrinsically hate Israel and Jews right?). Israel hasn't lifted one finger to arrest the spread of ISIS, and that should tell you a lot (and don't try the "US doesn't want Israel to get involved" line because Israel has been bombing its neighboring Arab countries with impunity for a long time now).
I'd add our buddies Saudi Arabia to the menace list, since they are one of the prime supporters of ISIS.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)Israel has never fought an offensive war in its life. Thankfully neither of our candidates buy into your alternate view of history.
nyabingi
(1,145 posts)They attacked Lebanon six years ago and had to retreat after basically getting their asses handed to them by Hezbollah. They've been periodically bombing Syrian territory for years, and Syria has a right to attack Israel because Israel is occupying land they stole from Syria.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)I know a lot of people think Israel should just put up with attacks from Hezbollah and Hamas but Israel feels differently.
malthaussen
(17,190 posts)Ask China how well a "Great Wall" keeps you safe. Hint: the Mongols conquered them.
-- Mal
brush
(53,771 posts)When I saw the title to this OP I thought it had to be a joke. I mean a wall around the entire country?
Unfortunately it's not.
former9thward
(31,986 posts)Before the current wall Palestinians were routinely sending in their children with suicide bombs into teenage pizza places and buses in Jerusalem. Now the bombings have vanished. Are you disappointed by that result?
marble falls
(57,079 posts)former9thward
(31,986 posts)How many children are you ok with being killed by suicide bombers?
marble falls
(57,079 posts)Israeli children being killed?
The real question is: why are adults from both sides killing children in the middle east at all?
https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/countries/occupied-palestinian-territory-and-israel/
Israel and State of Palestine
The information below is based on the Report of the Secretary-General to the Security Council (A/69/926S/2015/409) issued on 5 June 2015.
In 2014, the security situation significantly deteriorated in the State of Palestine with another escalation of hostilities in Gaza and a significant increase of tensions throughout the West Bank, with devastating impacts for children. Palestinian and Israeli children continued to be affected by the prevailing situation of military occupation, conflict and closure.
The reporting period saw a dramatic increase in the number of children killed and injured, especially in Gaza. At least 561 children (557 Palestinian; 4 Israeli) were killed and 4,271 injured (4,249 Palestinian; 22 Israeli).
In the West Bank, 13 Palestinian boys, aged 11 to 17 years, were killed. Twelve were killed by Israeli security forces live ammunition (11) and sponge round bullets (1) during demonstrations and military search and arrest operations, and one boy was killed by settlers. On 15 May, two Palestinian boys, aged 16 and 17 years, respectively, were shot and killed with live ammunition during clashes with Israeli soldiers near Beituniya checkpoint. Reports indicate that the children killed by the Israeli security forces did not appear to have posed a lethal threat. On 19 March, a 14-year-old boy was fatally shot by the Israel security forces when crossing the West Bank Barrier. In another example, a ten-year-old Palestinian boy was fatally shot in the back with live ammunition by the Israeli security forces in Al-Fawwar camp. The Government of Israel reports that investigations were or are being carried out on these cases.
On 13 June, three Israeli youths, two of whom were 16-year-old children, were abducted, and on 30 June, their bodies were found near Halhul in northern Hebron. The Government of Israel reported that three Hamas members were identified as suspects, two of whom were killed during a fire fight with the Israeli security forces. It was also reported that hundreds of Palestinians were arrested in the West Bank during large search operations carried out by the Israeli security forces between 13 and 30 June. On 2 July, a 16-year-old Palestinian boy was abducted in Shufat and burned alive in apparent retaliation for the kidnapping and killing of the Israeli youths. Three Israeli civilians, two of them under the age of 18 years, were arrested and charged.
Of the 1,218 children injured in the West Bank, more than half were under the age of 12 and 91 per cent were injured during confrontations in Hebron and East Jerusalem, with 231 of them hit by live ammunition and 530 by rubber-coated bullets. 84. Violence committed by Israeli settlers, and related incidents involving the Israeli security forces, remained high, resulting in the injury of 63 Palestinian children. For example, on 18 April, a group of settlers shielded by the Israeli security forces reportedly attacked the Urif Secondary School for Boys near Nablus, which resulted in the injury of 12 students from stones, bullets and a gas canister. The school was attacked in four instances, reportedly by Israelis living in the Yizhar settlement.
Sixteen Israeli children, (14 boys and 2 girls) were injured in the West Bank as a result of stones and Molotov cocktail thrown and shots fired at vehicles by Palestinians.
<snip>
former9thward
(31,986 posts)are a result of either Hamas or Hezbollah attacks on Israelis. Both groups love to use children as human shields when they attack.
In 2002, there were 452 fatalities from terrorist attacks. Before the completion of the first segment of the Wall (July 2003) from the beginning of the Second Intifada, 73 Palestinian suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, killing 293 Israelis and injuring over 1,900. After the completion of the first segment through the end of 2006, there were only 12 attacks based in the West Bank, killing 64 people and wounding 445. Terrorist attacks declined in 2007 and 2008 to 9 in 2010.
Walls work. That's why people build them.
marble falls
(57,079 posts)cherry picked anecdotes to make an argument. Extremists from both sides make it a meat grinder for children, but the simple fact is the IDF's killing ratio to that of the Palestinians' makes PLO, Hamas and Hezbollah together look like amateur hour. When was the last time Palestinians removed Israeli citizens from their homes with bulldozers killing any potion of them in the process and resettling the areas "cleansed" with armed Palestinians?
If you can't even admit any heavy handed actions by Israel, there's no point even attempting to engage in conversation. Because Sharon refused to even talk with Arafat and did everything in his power to degrade PLO authority, Israel now gets to deal with Hamas and Hezbollah.
"Every single one ....." Such an extremist opinion.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)There is a serious problem in the muddle east. Its nickname is bibi.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)there is a majority who want peace and co-existence. Yet a hard core minority has taken over two branches of government.
Wait, where else do we have that problem?
In unrelated news, the US Supremes kicked the world ecology in its ass. And the Tea Party controlled House refuses to even discuss a budget with the president.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)brush
(53,771 posts)from the Palestinians.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)Bibbers will DEMAND more aid, and the US will give it.
Wolf
lark
(23,096 posts)Both are crazy dangerous and don't want either one having any say about what happens in this country.
Jean Genie
(273 posts)Hey! He's as crazy as tRump!
Bernin
(311 posts)Is that a downgrade from subhuman?!
Fuck you Bibi!
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)willing to support blood thirsty terrorists.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)And see if your opinion changes.
There are a lot of conflicting issues in Israel, but the Arabs that attack Israel have refused their own country now for 50 years, insisting instead on attacking Israel. They are overwhelmingly blinded by religious fervor and racial hatred -- hatred that existed long before the modern state of Israel.
I would have you consider the fact that 20% of Israel's population is Arab and that Israelis Arabs are, in fact, the richest, most successful (as a group) people in Israel, especially the Christian Arabs. These are the Arabs that have chosen to co-exist with Jewish people. Among all Arabs in the ME, Israeli Arabs have the highest standard of living, highest education, highest rates of happiness, and longest life expediencies. They are free to be gay without persecution. They can convert to any religion (or no religion). They can come and go, just the same as everyone else. They can join the military, but are not subject to the draft (although many serve and Druze and Christian Arabs are demanding to be drafted, ironically). They serve proudly.
Compare and contrast with Hamas controlled territory. Jews are banned. Christians are persecuted. Corruption abounds. Being gay or converting to another religion is a legal death sentence. It's a typical Islamist Hell-hole.
And then consider why Egypt built a giant wall long before Israel.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)in the form of refugees. Conservatives love them some walls; that is for sure.
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)I guess Israel's shiny new fleet of nuclear armed subs isn't enough security. Of course
they make fences look silly. All we hear about is Iran's nuclear ambitions but not a peep
about Israel's arsenal. Have to look to foreign news sources for that :
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Netanyahu-IDF-high-command-tout-new-German-made-submarine-441247
Israel's Deployment of Nuclear Missiles on Subs from Germany
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons-on-german-built-submarines-a-836784.html
liberalfromaustin21
(61 posts)Why are our leaders so cozy with this man? He's out of control...