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Tue May 29, 2012, 01:01 PM

U.S. Plans To Arm Italy's Drones

Source: Wall Street Journal

Updated May 29, 2012, 8:13 a.m. ET
By ADAM ENTOUS

WASHINGTON The Obama administration plans to arm Italy's fleet of Reaper drone aircraft, a move that could open the door for sales of advanced hunter-killer drone technology to other allies, according to lawmakers and others familiar with the matter. The sale would make Italy the first foreign country besides Britain to fly U.S. drones armed with missiles and laser-guided bombs. U.S. officials said Italy intends initially to deploy the armed drones in Afghanistan.

Lawmakers who question the planned deal say the decision to "weaponize" Italy's unarmed surveillance drones could make it harder for the U.S. to deny similar capabilities to other North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies, and set back efforts to urge sales limitations on other nations that make sophisticated drones such as Israel.

Advocates say such sales would enable trusted allies to conduct military missions on their own as well as help open markets for U.S. drone manufacturers.

The administration sent a confidential "pre-notification" to congressional panels in April detailing its plan to sell kits to Italy to arm up to six Reaper drones, which are larger, more-powerful versions of Predators.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303395604577432323658176792.html

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Reply U.S. Plans To Arm Italy's Drones (Original post)
DeSwiss May 2012 OP
villager May 2012 #1
gratuitous May 2012 #2
pscot May 2012 #3
DeSwiss May 2012 #6
emilyg May 2012 #4
Enrique May 2012 #5
Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #7
DeSwiss May 2012 #8
KoKo May 2012 #9
pscot May 2012 #19
mollerjay May 2012 #10
woo me with science May 2012 #11
DeSwiss May 2012 #12
freshwest May 2012 #13
IamK May 2012 #14
felix_numinous May 2012 #15
DocMac May 2012 #16
RC May 2012 #17
Nihil May 2012 #20
may3rd May 2012 #18
hack89 May 2012 #21

Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:06 PM

1. So the new definition of "change," then is "business as usual?"

Or worse-than-usual?

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:08 PM

2. And so it continues

I like how the Wall Street Journal put "weaponize" in quotes. What else would you call it? Nice to see that we've got a new and improved model over the Predator drone - the Reaper drone! Be the first on your block to have one. Trusted allies only. For now. And please to be forgetting that at various times over the last 30 years our "trusted allies" have included the Saddam regime in Iraq and the Qaddafi regime in Libya.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:09 PM

3. What military missions will Italy be conducting on its own?

Are they likely to attack the Vatican or San Moreno? Does Italy even have an independent foreign policy?

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Response to pscot (Reply #3)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:15 PM

6. Maybe they're anticipating they'll need them......

...to fight off the populace when the next rating's downgrade of their sovereign debt takes place.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:10 PM

4. Oh crap.

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:11 PM

5. "as well as" my ass

Advocates say such sales would enable trusted allies to conduct military missions on their own as well as help open markets for U.S. drone manufacturers.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:24 PM

7. I'm sorry, I just don't give a shit about "opening markets for US drone manufacturers."

But I am kind of excited: Where can I get my own drone weaponization kit?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:33 PM

8. Well, in Italy's case......

...they have gold, the Mafia and the Pope. And everyone knows that Great Britain and the US are joined at the hip.

So what are you offering in exchange? Do you have any oil? Natural gas? Rare earth?

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #8)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:47 PM

9. True and we do have USArmy Base (AFRICOM) that is expanding.

Not only the gold, the Mafia and the Pope...but, a little incursion into Africa? Done clandestinely, of course.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

Tue May 29, 2012, 08:03 PM

19. Never happen

Our masters wouldn't feel safe if they knew we could reach them inside their gated communities.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:50 PM

10. K&R

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:51 PM

11. Nobel Peace Prize, my ass. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #11)

Tue May 29, 2012, 02:04 PM

12. Those were my first words upon reading this as well. :-/ - n/t

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 02:25 PM

13. DeSwiss,

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 02:54 PM

14. "War is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength" n/t

 

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 03:36 PM

15. Damn

--and there are people that believe these will not be used here. They are just being tested.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 04:35 PM

16. Fox news will run this:

"Obama escalates war on Catholic Church!"

I can see it coming.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 04:35 PM

17. The only way to win the war on terror, is to

 

depopulate all the other countries.

The United states has a solid record of selling arms and ammunition to a country and then some years later declare them to be an enemy and either topple their legally elected government or just go to war with them. The exception is Great Britain.

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Response to RC (Reply #17)

Wed May 30, 2012, 08:26 AM

20. And the reason for that ...

> The United states has a solid record of selling arms and ammunition to a country
> and then some years later declare them to be an enemy and either topple their
> legally elected government or just go to war with them. The exception is Great Britain.

... is that the UK has been a satrap of the US for practically all of the time post-WWII.

No need to topple something that you've picked anyway.

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Response to DeSwiss (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:46 PM

18. will congress go along with Obama's wish to arm Italian Reapers?

 

remember,
you get what you give

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Response to may3rd (Reply #18)

Wed May 30, 2012, 09:18 AM

21. They will - they represent no threat to us. nt

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