Mon May 28, 2012, 11:08 AM
teach1st (4,033 posts)
Wetlands expert suspended by DEP after she refuses to approve permit
Source: Tampa Bay Times
Florida's top state wetlands expert has been suspended after she refused to issue a permit on a controversial project — one that she said her boss was willing to bend the rules to approve. The project: turning a North Florida pine plantation into a business that attempts to make up for wetlands that are wiped out by new roads and development. At stake: millions of dollars in wetland "credits" that can be sold to government and developers. The problem, according to a May 9 memo from Department of Environmental Protection wetlands expert Connie Bersok, is that the owners want the DEP to give them lots of wetland credits for land that isn't wet. After being told by Deputy Secretary Jeff Littlejohn to ignore the rules she had followed on other permits, Bersok wrote, "I hereby state my objection to the intended agency action and refusal to recommend this permit for issuance." Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/wetlands/wetlands-expert-suspended-by-dep-after-she-refuses-to-approve-permit/1232352 I hope this is of national interest.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| teach1st | May 2012 | OP | |
| SGMRTDARMY | May 2012 | #1 | |
| lark | May 2012 | #8 | |
| wordpix | May 2012 | #19 | |
| MBS | May 2012 | #11 | |
| wordpix | May 2012 | #18 | |
| truedelphi | May 2012 | #22 | |
| tooeyeten | May 2012 | #2 | |
| gregwww | May 2012 | #3 | |
| n2doc | May 2012 | #4 | |
| DFW | May 2012 | #5 | |
| cilla4progress | May 2012 | #15 | |
| Baitball Blogger | May 2012 | #6 | |
| malthaussen | May 2012 | #7 | |
| raouldukelives | May 2012 | #9 | |
| McCamy Taylor | May 2012 | #10 | |
| wordpix | May 2012 | #20 | |
| lunasun | May 2012 | #12 | |
| XemaSab | May 2012 | #13 | |
| SunSeeker | May 2012 | #14 | |
| quaker bill | May 2012 | #16 | |
| XemaSab | May 2012 | #17 | |
| quaker bill | May 2012 | #23 | |
| XemaSab | May 2012 | #24 | |
| nashville_brook | May 2012 | #21 | |
| Mc Mike | May 2012 | #27 | |
| FarCenter Fan | May 2012 | #25 | |
| alittlelark | May 2012 | #26 | |
| chervilant | May 2012 | #28 |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:12 AM
SGMRTDARMY (599 posts)
1. So let me see if I understand this
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She refuses to bend the rules so she gets suspended.
Par for the course. What the hell is going on in this country that I dearly love? |
Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #1)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:59 AM
lark (2,106 posts)
8. Devils like Rick Scott, the Koch Brothers, Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch, Dick Cheney, the Bushes
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have decided to destroy the middle class so their "rulership" class makes all decisions in their favor and destroys the working class, with more massive transfers of all of our money to them. That's what's happening in this country, it's being destroyed.
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Response to lark (Reply #8)
Mon May 28, 2012, 04:24 PM
wordpix (12,479 posts)
19. you forgot Jebbie and his developer pals in FL - no doubt under the rocks it reeks if you look
Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #1)
Mon May 28, 2012, 12:53 PM
MBS (4,363 posts)
11. oh, yeah : (
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And how about this for an understatement? .
"It smells really bad to me," said Aliki Moncrief. .
Yup, it sure does, as in . .reeks to high heaven. We have to have to stand up to these dangerous people. We need to outvote them, outmaneuver them, outfund-raise them. .we have to take our country back. |
Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #1)
Mon May 28, 2012, 04:21 PM
wordpix (12,479 posts)
18. this is going on in nearly every state DEP and town wetlands commission in this nation! And I'm
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sick
Florida is notorious for defying wetlands laws and regs. One only has to look at the many projects beside each and every road where diverting wetlands for golf course ponds and the like is going on. I was crying when I was in FL last (around 2007) about this. Developers and their pal Jeb Bush have ruined the state. Thank you, one FL regulator, for standing up. Wish there were more like her. |
Response to wordpix (Reply #18)
Mon May 28, 2012, 07:05 PM
truedelphi (25,967 posts)
22. Sorry to hear of your plight, but let me say I am
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Grateful for your involvement.
One of the very few in public office always willing to stand up for the environment and for a non-toxic lifestyle for us "real" people was Elliot Spitzer. And we all know what happened to him. After he pulled off such admirable actions as fining Monsanto for false advertising (Monsanto had no right to state certain products were "safe,") he gets followed by Homeland Security,. And the entire apparatus of Homeland Security is used to detail his bank transactions, one of which led DHS to the fact that he wired money to the Washington DC brothel. Little concern to anyone that a whole roster of politicians went to that brothel. What was important is that the Monied and Political class got rid of the "real" people's one and perhaps only protector. Almost everyone else in public office only cares about the "real people" that are Big Corporations. |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:23 AM
tooeyeten (660 posts)
2. Always
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Isn't it always about money?
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
gregwww This message was hidden by Jury decision.
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:38 AM
n2doc (26,146 posts)
4. Carlyle Group, again
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Seems like they have their evil hands in everything....,
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:42 AM
DFW (13,378 posts)
5. There seems to be no limit to Repupblican corruption
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Indeed, all this phony Christianity is to disguise what they really worship: money.
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Response to DFW (Reply #5)
Mon May 28, 2012, 01:35 PM
cilla4progress (2,972 posts)
15. You hit it on the head
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- the Vatican
- environmental "protection" - finance -"free enterprise" It's all a disgusting ruse. After 40+ years of activism, caring, volunteerism, and donating...I'm almost ready to just withdraw and give up. There seems no countering it. I'd almost be happy if that nice family in the White House retreated to their private lives, and just roll over and end the slow death of the strangulation of the common people and the earth. Get it over with quickly and let some new species or extra-terrestrial to take this thing over and see if they can do it better. Death of optimism. |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:47 AM
Baitball Blogger (11,308 posts)
6. That's what I'm talking about.
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We have crooks at the highest level of public government. We are so undermined by our local agencies that the conclusion can only be, that we have the kind of government that Republicans are rooting for.
And believe me, these wetland mitigation properties are not the panacea. Not when you have lawyers who own them and nobody keeps track of the information. If you did, you would probably see a huge inconsistency with who gets the credits. Lots of room for good ole boy deals. |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 11:49 AM
malthaussen (2,231 posts)
7. We need more people to do things like this...
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... but when the penalty is being fired, who can blame people who fall in step with the program?
The most tragic thing about this country is, IMO, that if we just followed the rules that are in place already, we'd be so much better off. -- Mal |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 12:15 PM
raouldukelives (2,382 posts)
9. Wetland credits! That's got a great ring to it.
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Hey! Got a bad feeling about that chemical spill wiping out those critters? Feeling blue about turning that old growth redwood grove into decking material for Las Vegas casinos? Step on up and buy some of Highland Jack's Feel Good Wetland Credits! Never mind the fact your just adding further support to the very thing causing all the destruction in the first place this will fix you up real nice!
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 12:42 PM
McCamy Taylor (13,710 posts)
10. Can I get wetland credit for my driveway? I promise not to build on it.
Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #10)
Mon May 28, 2012, 04:49 PM
wordpix (12,479 posts)
20. in my CT town, the wetlands comm. told a friend he couldn't have a driveway xing even though
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his driveway crossed below the stream, ergo there would be no runoff from his driveway. Meanwhile, this same wetlands group. which is appointed by our repug mayor, allowed 15 ac. of upland in an Aquifer Protection Area to be leveled for a project that drains into wetlands just below the hill. But, that was OK. They also allowed a school to build 50' from wetlands in the "regulated area" because it's a school, dontcha know.
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 01:01 PM
lunasun (3,639 posts)
12. So they are only top experts when they agree??? hmmm
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 01:25 PM
SunSeeker (5,050 posts)
14. "Department of Environmental Protection"?
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The GOP really do lack the irony gene.
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 02:12 PM
quaker bill (7,130 posts)
16. I was wondering exactly who Ms. Bersok had offended when this happened.
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My first and only guess was precisely these guys. I might have guessed the attorney as well, but it could have been other attorneys, there are a small number of potential candidates for that. The number of guys who have the pull to get someone as far up the food chain as Ms. Bersok was summarily suspended are few. But in these times, when they pull the trigger, things happen fast.
Despite the article, credits are given for restoration of land that "is not wet" all the time, and it is a good thing. Wetlands function best as part of a larger natural area which has a diversity of food sources and nesting opportunities. The question comes down to how much better, what are the bankers doing to improve it, and how much improvement is likely to occur. There are ways to measure this stuff. The bottom line is literally "credits" worth roughly 100K apiece, the bankers always want more of them and more of them sooner. The bankers tried the the normal application process to get what they wanted, when that failed, they resorted to the courts, when that failed, they went political. |
Response to quaker bill (Reply #16)
Mon May 28, 2012, 03:43 PM
XemaSab (57,432 posts)
17. Wetlands mitigation still results in a net loss
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It's a shell game with big developers behind the table.
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Response to XemaSab (Reply #17)
Mon May 28, 2012, 07:11 PM
quaker bill (7,130 posts)
23. Not as much as you seem to think
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I actually do this for a living. I meet with big developers every week and sit across the table from them. Most of the players in this story know me by first name and I meet with them on occasion. It is not a shell game. Real and measurable ecological benefits come from mitigation and the concept has gotten much more effective over the 23 years I have been in this profession.
Early on we "created" little postage stamp wetlands and placed them into the hands of homeowners and businessowners to manage. This sort of worked when the designs were good, because a good design takes care of itself. When the designs were bad the results were poor and the people involved were not ecologists, so they did not improve with time. Banks and regional off-site mitigation areas in the hands of restoration biologists and ecologists do work, some of them quite well. This is because they take lands that were naturally wetlands but have been degraded by previous owners, and just undo the damage and let nature take over. The agency I work for successfully restored 250,000 acres of headwaters wetlands this way. It can be done, and doing it is important. This does not mean that it is all good, but a good portion of it is. |
Response to quaker bill (Reply #23)
Mon May 28, 2012, 08:10 PM
XemaSab (57,432 posts)
24. I'm a biologist in California
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and while I respect your professional expertise, I am cynical about mitigation.
For example, mitigation for loss of valley elderberry longhorn beetle habitat is usually elderberries planted in a monoculture without any habitat context. The money would be better spent buying areas of intact riparian habitat that have no elderberries and planting some, but for whatever reason that's not how it's done. |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 06:13 PM
nashville_brook (17,238 posts)
21. so, the CARLYLE Group created the wetlands mitigation bank in question. whooboy.
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from the article: But mitigation banking is still a big business. Wetland credits in northeast Florida have sold for up to $100,000 each, Lowe said.
Highlands Ranch Mitigation Bank was created in 2008 when a private equity firm named the Carlyle Group, with what the Washington Post called "a reputation of opaque, insider-power connections," formed a joint venture with a Jacksonville company, Hassan & Lear Acquisitions. They spent $15 million on a 1,575-acre pine plantation in Clay County next to Jennings State Forest. |
Response to nashville_brook (Reply #21)
Tue May 29, 2012, 06:46 AM
Mc Mike (713 posts)
27. +1, thanks. +1 to the o.p., too. NT
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 08:24 PM
FarCenter Fan (19 posts)
25. Gaia Bless Her!
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Response to teach1st (Original post)
Mon May 28, 2012, 10:59 PM
alittlelark (14,800 posts)
26. Women are sooo often the whistleblowers - the ones that refuse
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to 'play the game'.
I think that is the real reason so few hold positions of real power. |
Response to teach1st (Original post)
Tue May 29, 2012, 07:30 AM
chervilant (4,022 posts)
28. Shades of Bunny Greenhouse...
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Watch this intrepid human disappear...
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