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Sat May 26, 2012, 08:14 AM

Mursi and Shafiq go to Egypt poll runoff - media

Source: BBC

Egyptians will choose between between the Muslim Brotherhood and a candidate from the Mubarak-era regime when the presidential election goes to a run-off, state media confirm.

The Brotherhood candidate, Mohammed Mursi, has a slight lead on former PM Ahmed Shafiq, with a reported 25.3% of votes against 24.9%.

The two represent forces that have battled each other for decades.

The second round in Egypt's first free presidential polls is on 16-17 June.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18217559



Pretty even split.

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Response to pinto (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:16 AM

1. Some commentary from the Lodnon Review of Books:

They called him the ‘spare tyre’, but he may become the next president of Egypt – the first president of the post-Mubarak order. Mohamed Morsi, the candidate for the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party, is a charmless man, doctrinaire in disposition and impatient with the reform-minded currents in his party. He became its candidate only after its more appealing first choice, Khairat El-Shater, was disqualified from running by the Presidential Election Commission; hence the nickname. (The commission cited a Mubarak-era rule that those who have been in prison in the last six years are ineligible to run; El-Shater was released only in March 2011.) Yet Morsi had behind him the electoral machine of the Muslim Brotherhood, still the country’s most significant political movement.

The Brotherhood initially said it wouldn’t run a candidate for president, but soon changed its mind, just as it fielded candidates for two-thirds of the seats in parliament after saying it would only run for half. (These shifts have heightened the fears of secularists and Christians.) The Brotherhood – or rather Morsi – seems to have won around 26 per cent of the vote, two points ahead of the runner-up, Ahmed Shafiq, a former air force general and Mubarak’s last prime minister: a man despised by many Egyptians as a ‘feloul’, or ‘remnant’ of the old regime. Shafiq, like Morsi, is a spare tyre: he became the old order’s favourite after Omar Suleiman was disqualified from running. He had an unexpected surge in the last few weeks, in part thanks to Christian support; anxious over the rise in sectarian violence, and terrified of the Brotherhood, Copts voted as a bloc.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2012/05/26/adam-shatz/two-faces-of-the-old-order/

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #1)

Sat May 26, 2012, 10:28 AM

4. Interesting parallel - Alawites / Syrian Christians.

I know a couple of Syrian immigrant families, Eastern Orthodox Catholics. They say that support for Assad was primarily based on the somewhat greater protections afford them by the Alawites. And, somewhat of a stretch imo, that civil unrest was spurred solely by Lebanese Sunnis. Syrian Sunnis compromise ~ 75% of the population, Christian sects ~ 10%.

And they say the long convoluted immigration process was more about economic opportunity, not politics nor religious issues. Typical pathway to the US - migrate to Sweden, establish Swedish citizenship, migrate to the US as a Swede national. Or migrate via marriage to a US citizen.

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Response to pinto (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 10:23 AM

2. SO, which puppet will be the wests man in the middle east

 

Or
have they both been vetted ?


any thoughts ?

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Response to may3rd (Reply #2)

Sat May 26, 2012, 10:25 AM

3. Muslim brotherhood is not a western puppet. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Sat May 26, 2012, 03:46 PM

9. no, the Ikhwan has LONG been a western puppet..

 

as part of the long-standing "anyone who hates commies is fine by us" aspect of US policy.

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Response to Alamuti Lotus (Reply #9)

Sun May 27, 2012, 03:01 PM

16. which ever side claims victory the loudest

 

the shit will still hit the fan


get the popcorn,
Sore Loserstan will emerge from the ashes of the arab spring.

Think not ?

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Response to pinto (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:14 PM

5. Shafiq is a former regime douchebag and Mursi supports the repeal

of genital mutilation laws and laws protecting women from sexual harassment.

Egypt is royally screwed.

I cross-posted an article looking at the results from the perspective of the revolutionaries who overthrew Mubarak.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1253271

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #5)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:20 PM

6. A recent quote from Mursi

“The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal,” Mursi apparently said in an election speech at Cairo University on Saturday evening. “Today we can establish Sharia law because our nation will acquire well-being only with Islam and Sharia. The Muslim Brothers and the Freedom and Justice Party will be the conductors of these goals.” ... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-brotherhoods-egyptian-presidential-candidate-jihad-is-our-path-death-in-the-name-of-allah-is-our-goal/

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #5)

Sat May 26, 2012, 08:01 PM

10. yes, they're both twits and represent business as usual really..

 

the pseudo-Nasserist, Arab nationalist, leftist candidate Hamdeen Sabahi was the only one that represented anything geniunely exciting, and there's pretty good evidence developing that he was royally shafted by some 'irregularities' that seem to be amounting to large scale fraud.

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #5)

Sat May 26, 2012, 08:39 PM

11. Pretty horrifying all around actually. Thanks for the link

Sounds like the secular revolutionaries are truly screwed....

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Response to pinto (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 02:19 PM

7. Egypt's 3rd runner-up calls for vote recount

Egypt's 3rd runner-up calls for vote recount

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press – 57 minutes ago

CAIRO (AP) — The third runner-up in Egypt's presidential race called Saturday for a partial vote recount, citing violations, his spokesman said.

Early results show that Hamdeen Sabahi came in third by a margin of some 700,000 votes, leaving him out of next month's run-off between the two leading candidates.

Sabahi's spokesman Hossam Mounis said the campaign has found evidence of many violations during the two days of voting that would affect the final results. He declined to give details about the violations but said appeals would be filed Sunday.

"The evidence we have and that we are still accumulating shows a big number of violations in many polling centers that would affect the final results," he said.

More:http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iZKdIO9ZEA-fdhBSjeuUl5NRnQ6Q?docId=bc04519753d247d0bed1f0320b0323a5

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #7)

Sat May 26, 2012, 02:32 PM

8. However it comes out, appeal is good to see. Oversight, the democratic process.

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Response to pinto (Reply #8)

Sun May 27, 2012, 11:52 AM

13. Is that a joke?

Egypt is under a military junta. There is no new constitution. Thousands of revolutionaries and activists are given summary military trials and multi-year prison sentences. More people have been killed by the military crackdowns on protests than under Mubarak. The same people control the economy and media as before - Mubarak's crony milieu. These were the circumstances under which the election was held that produced Mr. Brotherhood vs. Mr. Mubarak Prime Minister as the two remaining choices. And when the third-place candidate squeaks in the impossible attempt to get a recount, do you really think that's a form of civilian oversight and a sign of democracy?

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #13)

Sun May 27, 2012, 02:32 PM

14. If they pull it off it's a form of oversight - or at least a stab at it. Will it change anything?

Doubt it. Yet the whole country is watching, as well as much of the Arab world. To try and fall short at this point is better than writing the whole thing off, imo.

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Response to pinto (Original post)

Sun May 27, 2012, 02:22 AM

12. What fantastic choices.....



In all seriousness I hate to say this but the Egyptian revolution has been a complete failure, none of the progress the secular revolutionaries hoped for will be made now. So now here we stand with a former Mubarak flunkie and a theocrat.

I can't believe Im saying this but I hope they vote for the Mubarak dickwad over the Islamist nutjob, the status quo in Egypt is probably better than an entirely theocrat dominated Government, which they would have if the Brotherhood won the Presidency.

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Response to Mr.Turnip (Reply #12)

Sun May 27, 2012, 02:57 PM

15. Voters went 2:1 for Islamists in Parliament....

...why should this be any different? The MB candidate will win.

Why would anyone have any expectation that the revolution in Egypt was going to go anywhere except in an Islamist direction? This is a country that only banned female genital mutilation in 2007 (Mubark's wife was making an enforcement of the ban her major issue, for all the haters of the old regime). Yet estimates are 90% of Egyptian females suffer from female genital mutilation. And now the Islamists want to bring it back and support it.

http://www.rt.com/news/egypt-revive-mutilation-alarm-372/

FGM is only one example of Egyptian attitudes, the level of culture, and the prevalence of hard-line Islamist views.

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Response to rayofreason (Reply #15)

Sun May 27, 2012, 03:05 PM

17. let freedom ring...

 

well,
except for women,minorities and those non believers of the sunni brand that will rule with an iron fist.
yes,
rule much like Pharaoh Sadat

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