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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:19 PM

1. Pot and cocaine were in the President's autobiography

I was very surprised it was no big deal in the last election.

He sure does have a double standard when it comes to drug laws.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:57 PM

9. So Bush administration torture indictments will be coming soon? nt

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #13)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:44 AM

14. So the law is enforced selectively

at the government's discretion, based on what it thinks is important to prosecute?

Interesting.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:57 AM

16. He could instruct federal law enforcement to focus their attention elsewhere

And he could have his prosecutors let off anyone charged with simple possession with a small fine or at worst a treatment program in exchange for having the whole thing wiped from your record.

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Response to Hippo_Tron (Reply #16)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:07 AM

18. I haven't heard of too many

federal drug cases involving "simple possession". The feds usually nab interstate traffickers, big growers, and manufacturers. He could choose to instruct his justice department to quit busting state licensed dispensaries.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #18)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:05 AM

35. 853,838 arrests in 2010 for marijuana-related offenses, 750,591 (88 percent) were arrested for

possession only. Among that nearly one million arrests would include licensed patients and growers in legal state programs. But of course, many of those were State arrests, so it should not phase the President or any one of us that the staggeringly huge majority of those arrested are young and black, those who are not black tend to be Latino, and yet most marijuana users are white. In NYC fully 80% are either black or Latino and also young. One is either comfortable with such 'justice' or one is not. The enforcement of the law is as racist as anything gets. I am not comfortable with any of that.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #35)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:39 AM

39. Yeah

I think even most people caught in airports in possession are turned to state LEOs. I would like to know the numbers arrested for small volume possession and charged federally..I might be surprised..

We agree that it is time for reform.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #39)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:27 PM

58. Airports generally indicate interstate trafficking.

If you have a MMJ permit in your origin, and destination, find a grower in both, and don't take it on your plane. If you do not have a permit in both, don't take it on your plane.

In short: don't take it on your plane.

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Response to boppers (Reply #58)

Sat May 26, 2012, 11:26 PM

67. I won't be taking it anywhere..

but, yeah, one would be crazy to try to take it on a commercial plane.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:06 AM

17. Who/what the Attorney General chooses to pursue can be controlled by Obama.

He very well could not have the feds raid marijuana dispensaries that are legal under state laws. I seem to remember him saying something in the last campaign about not interfering with state laws about medical marijuana, but he has, many times over. I think some of Obama's picks have been great, but others, like Eric Holder, have not.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #17)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:01 PM

55. He directed them to only raid illegal dispensaries and grows.

So, those breaking tax law, zoning law, labor law, money laundering law, RICO law, state regulations, etc. are still fair game.

The meticulously legal growers I know appreciate it, as it muscles the big "corporate" growers and cartels out of the game.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Sat May 26, 2012, 08:14 AM

33. not true

you can deny it all you want, but Obama is assertively acting on marijuana.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Sat May 26, 2012, 03:14 PM

50. Bullshit!

He didn't legalize gay marriage, but he took a stand and it makes a difference. Why doesn't he take a stand on marijuana?

If he'd been stopped, frisked and arrested just once when he was 20, no one today would know his name. Think about it!

At the Americas conference he stood tall for the insane Drug War against almost every head of state on two continents. The world is starting to wake up from the nightmare of drug prohibition, but the US remains at the lead.

Nothing is stopping him from speaking truth about an insane policy with horrific consequences for millions of people.

Federal law enforcement is a question of priorities. They're going after pot plants and doing nothing about the banksters who raped the world. (Schneiderman's crack team is now up to 65 members - compared to 1000 financial fraud investigators just for the S&L scandals of the Reagan years.)

Policy, budgets, foreign policy, regulatory implementation -- the White House has enormous impact on all, and these are all related to the drug issue. As if you need to be informed of this. (As soon as something good happens somewhere, it will be Obama's credit, but when something within his purview is fucked up, he can't do anything about it.)

No cheap excuses! Lives are being lost and destroyed every day. This is a real war with real victims, and unfortunately Obama has chosen to remain its commander in chief.

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Response to JackRiddler (Reply #50)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:17 PM

56. He did take a stand. Just not a "no rules" stand.

If you grow 4 plants for your terminally ill wife, in Oregon, out in the boonies, and you are both registered, nobody cares. It's state legal. It's federal legal. (Just don't stockpile it).

If you grow 40 plants, next to a public park, sell it to anybody who presents a card, don't register your grow, and don't report the income on your taxes, you are living on borrowed time.

Compare to beer brewing laws:

If you brew 4 gallons for your terminally ill wife, in Oregon, out in the boonies, and you are both registered, nobody cares. It's state legal. It's federal legal. (Just don't stockpile it).

If you brew 40 gallons, next to a public park, sell it to anybody who presents a card, don't register your brew, and don't report the income on your taxes, you are living on borrowed time.

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Response to boppers (Reply #56)

Sun May 27, 2012, 12:57 AM

69. Your post is talking points, not related to what I said.

Try again. Here's what I posted, to which your reply is a non-sequitur:

He didn't legalize gay marriage, but he took a stand and it makes a difference. Why doesn't he take a stand on marijuana? (Prohibition, that is.)

If he'd been stopped, frisked and arrested just once when he was 20, no one today would know his name. Think about it!

At the Americas conference he stood tall for the insane Drug War against almost every head of state on two continents. The world is starting to wake up from the nightmare of drug prohibition, but the US remains at the lead.

Nothing is stopping him from speaking truth about an insane policy with horrific consequences for millions of people.

Federal law enforcement is a question of priorities. They're going after pot plants and doing nothing about the banksters who raped the world. (Schneiderman's crack team is now up to 65 members - compared to 1000 financial fraud investigators just for the S&L scandals of the Reagan years.)

Policy, budgets, foreign policy, regulatory implementation -- the White House has enormous impact on all, and these are all related to the drug issue. As if you need to be informed of this. (As soon as something good happens somewhere, it will be Obama's credit, but when something within his purview is fucked up, he can't do anything about it.)

No cheap excuses! Lives are being lost and destroyed every day. This is a real war with real victims, and unfortunately Obama has chosen to remain its commander in chief.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #1)

Sat May 26, 2012, 08:58 PM

61. I'd much rather this President smoked pot than. . .

Bullied/tortured a gay student with the help of his "posse"! or bullied/tortured his innocent dog by tying him to the roof of a car going down a highway at normal speeds! Smoking pot is no big deal!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:21 PM

2. I'm proud that our President smoked a lot of dope, and did a little blow

He knows from experience that kids who do similarly are not criminals - they're just trying to find themselves and should not have their lives dead-ended for such things.

Hopefully we can start to clear our prisons of recreational drug users now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:30 PM

3. Bush drank,Obama smoked. Everyone needs a crutch once in a while. I

Know I did.

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Response to virgogal (Reply #3)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:21 AM

11. For some of us, MJ isn't a "crutch". For me, it allows me to

sleep well and has completely vanquished my chronic back/neck pain each and every night for 2 months. For someone without medical insurance and who can only take just so much naproxen, particularly when it barely helps, it's a valuable medicine.

But thanks for the gratuitous insult of who knows how many DUers and other responsible, productive, and crutchless citizens.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #11)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:47 AM

15. You're a threat to society

and should be in prison.

Other than that, I'm really glad that it helps!

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #11)

Sat May 26, 2012, 06:44 PM

54. absolutely nothing wrong with a crutch

Mmj helps many balance what's happening in their bodies & brains.

It is no crime, & no character fault, to have pain, or ptsd, or other
ailments relieved by cannabis. I'm also a mmj patient & still learning.

(One of the most difficult obstacles, I'm finding, is the projection &
assumptions, nay stigma, esp coming from friends & recreational pot
smokers, who presume their own pot experience is universal & that
they're smarter than everyone else.)

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Response to virgogal (Reply #3)

Sat May 26, 2012, 06:17 AM

31. Bush snorted coke too.

He lied about it. He also lied about his DUI conviction.

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Response to virgogal (Reply #3)

Sat May 26, 2012, 11:10 AM

42. Bush did more than drink. He was a coke fiend into his 40's...

when he was "young and irresponsible" as he described it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:32 PM

4. I hope so Manny, too many good people; potential Presidents and Nobel Peace Prize winners

etc etc. are having their lives ruined by these ill thought out draconian drug laws; criminalizing vast numbers of the American People.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Sat May 26, 2012, 03:20 PM

51. I have no problem with President Obama smoking some weed

 

Or anyone else, for that matter.

My problem is, now that he's president he's bogarting even against medical marijuana patients.

And please don't tell me he's not going after patients. He's going after their supply of legal medicine and that's the same thing.

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Response to bupkus (Reply #51)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:21 PM

57. If you want a legal hook up, there are thousands to be had, provided it's legal in your state.

Retail "no questions asked" shops (and their growers) are the main targets, not medical growers working on a small scale, who are making so little money they cannot afford to sell it from a retail location.

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Response to boppers (Reply #57)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:53 PM

66. BULLSHIT

One of the biggest problems facing the program is the lack of suitable growers. It is not easy to come by high quality medicine. Dispensaries are often the only access that people can get.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:34 PM

5. That "intercepted"

thing would have cracked me up every time he did it. Seriously doubt it would have gotten old. That is the Obama I want to see.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #5)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:13 AM

19. While it makes me laugh, it's not an Obama I'd like to *actually* see, until he's out of office.

I think I'm more comfortable with the president not getting high, just in case there should be an emergency. Despite what we may tell ourselves when stoned, I'm pretty sure it's not when the best decisions are made.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #19)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:17 AM

37. And yet the entire WH staff will hold 'Cocktail Parties' at which they all suck down hard liquor

beverages and 'do the nation's business' all dressed to the nines and soused to the gills.....and we all know that drinking impairs all judgement, motor skills, the ability to speak clearly. They publicize their 'cocktail parties' and the President is photographed with some frequency drinking beer or other alcohol. Hell, the held a 'beer summit' which was head line drinking. Good thing no calls come in on cocktail night or beer summit days I guess.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #37)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:59 AM

40. Yes, but I think there's always a fair bit made about the low amounts he drinks.

At that entire "beer summit" b.s., they were at pains to state that they each only had either one or two 12-ounce beers. I think the "cocktail parties" are the same. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm also likely biased, because I have a very low tolerance for marijuana, so my idea of its effects is probably pretty different than most.

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Response to harmonicon (Reply #19)

Sat May 26, 2012, 10:35 AM

41. I wouldn't want to see

him get high as president. But as the fun loving guy who is not the stick-in-his-ass republican, that's who I'd rather have in the white house.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #41)

Sat May 26, 2012, 02:18 PM

49. Agreed 100% (nt)

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:37 PM

6. Obama pot smoking and Huff Post.

 

I've been attentive to the blogs for sometime now. Huff Post doesn't like the President. It could be because the Prez has more attention from Hollywood than Huff.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Fri May 25, 2012, 11:57 PM

8. No bogarts.

 

That is a serious breech of etiquette.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:12 AM

10. More proof

--that people can smoke cannabis and become president--that it does no harm, and is completely normal to have smoked it.

It is so sad that the profits gained by keeping it illegal trump personal liberty.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:26 AM

12. After reading this story I no longer plan to vote for Obama.

"When a joint was making the rounds, he often elbowed his way in, out of turn, shouted 'Intercepted!' and took an extra hit,"

Puff puff pass isn't just a suggestion, mr.president.
:3

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Response to Kurska (Reply #12)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:30 PM

59. he was spreading the wealth around, to those who needed it.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:14 AM

20. Aster reading this story, I'm even more angry about Obama's pot club raids.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:15 AM

21. Big deal.

Hawaiian is some of the best weed. More power to him.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #21)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:26 AM

23. Maui Zowie?

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #21)

Sat May 26, 2012, 11:57 AM

44. And in endless supply...

...so 'bogarting' isn't an issue. That was my experience anyway, when I lived in Hawaii.

TYY

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:19 AM

22. At roughly the same time, Mitt was being hired by Bain Capital...

...after a year or two as a management consultant, and that after funding his law school years by selling stick his father gave him.

So... Obama was within the boundaries of "typical '70s teenager", while Mitt was embarking on a career of legalized looting.

Just voicing that to make sure I have it straight.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:33 AM

25. I didn't care in 1992, I still don't care 20 years later. nt

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:50 AM

26. So....smoking dope in high school

 

paves the way to the presidency, while hazing gay prep school kids paves the way to raping innocent working class people.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 04:23 AM

27. to paraphrase churchill

he has all the virtues i find admirable and all the vices i truly enjoy.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 04:33 AM

28. This story will get Obama more votes than it will lose him.

 

For Millions of Americans who went to HS in the 70ís this was the normal way to spend your time.

So if Obama REALLY wants to win, come out in late October on national TV and openly support legalization.

He would win in a historical landslide.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 05:28 AM

29. I'm trying to think of a President in recent memory I couldn't see passing a joint around.

You know the last two did. Oh, sit down, Clinton, you damn well did inhale.

Bush the father? Him maybe not. But I wouldn't be surprised if he had.

Reagan. Hell, yes. Carter? Yeah. Ford. You know what? Yes. Nixon? No. He's strictly a drunk/prescription guy. LBJ? I did say "passing", right? Then I couldn't see LBJ passing the joint. JFK BWAAHAHAH, OK. Eisenhower. Before the army got him? Yeah. Truman? Maybe not. Or maybe once and he wouldn't try it again. FDR. Hell, yes.

So all the way back to FDR and I'd only say absolutely not to Nixon.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #29)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:20 AM

32. Heh

I couldn't see LBJ passing the joint.

Were not Washington and Jefferson a couple of growers?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #32)

Sat May 26, 2012, 07:33 PM

60. They grew hemp.

It wasn't grown and cultivated for maximum THC content.

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Response to boppers (Reply #60)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:16 PM

62. it's only been since Reagan's war on drugs

that cannabis was cultivated for maximum THC content, really.

hybrids were not on the marijuana landscape until cultivators brought mj growing indoors to escape Reagan's goons spraying paraquat to poison the water in Central America.

however, there is good reason to think that Washington may have used cannabis or may have grown cannabis to use for psychotropic purposes for people who lived on his farm (the slaves who actually grew and harvested the cannabis) because cannabis had been in use in Africa for at least a hundred years prior as an ingested psychotropic or for medicine.

Anyway, the good reason to think Washington grew some cannabis for psychotropic purposes is because he made a note about separating male and female plants.

The only reason to do this is to maximize the THC content of female flower buds.

...and this is what Washington said to do.

Cannabis was already listed in medical encyclopedias in Great Britain by the 1600 and 1700s - so its medicinal properties were also already known.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #62)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:31 PM

63. How do you feel about THC regulated hemp?

You can grow as much as you want, as long as it's under certain THC levels?

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Response to boppers (Reply #63)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:44 PM

65. I don't know

I would tend to think I don't support this idea because, as Sativex is doing - they're using extremely high THC cannabis and cannabis ruderalis mixed together after harvest and suspended in solvent to make cannabis that's delivered by an inhaler for ppl with MS, for instance. That provides a lot of THC and CBD - but from two different plants/species.

I think it would be far better to inform people about the negative experiences of some ppl who ingest cannabis with extremely high THC content w/o compensating CBD content.

It seems to me that people would eventually select against the high THC content strains that can cause some people to have negative reactions - because those strains would not sell as well as something that provided a better experience.

I also think that part of the education teenagers receive should let them know that early use of this or other substances isn't a good thing - that, like sex, drinking and voting - some things can wait until they're older.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 05:56 AM

30. that is funny!

oddly enough that little anecdote makes me like him more.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 08:28 AM

34. Obama's funny

That's my takeaway.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:06 AM

36. So how can he seem so blissfully unaware that a marijuana arrest will destroy a young person's life?



or any age person's life, for that matter.


Especially if that person is poor to start with.



This codified hypocrisy that lives in the heart of America has to end before we can be a sane, civilized nation.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:20 AM

38. Cool dude!

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 11:42 AM

43. MJ was the ONLY thing, including prescrpt. codeine, that helped son after major operation

The narcotic legalized meds made him sick to his stomach. The MJ counteracted the nausea and allowed him to do physical therapy and get well.

As for young people who experiment as Pres O did, it's normal and better than binge drinking for them and for society.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:08 PM

45. And this is bad how?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 12:24 PM

46. One point that shouldn't be overlooked here

Obama had (and has) friends to hang with, to do normal things with, to socialize and be included with.

What kind of friends did (and does) RMoney have?



(*cough*douchebags*cough*)

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:00 PM

47. obama's still messing up the rotation

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 01:26 PM

48. Another Attempt At Equivalency?

This is supposed to be equal to bullying, gay bashing and running around with sissors cutting off fellow students hair in a terrifying manner. I hardly think so.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #48)

Sat May 26, 2012, 04:07 PM

52. I think the point is that most people recognize mj is a non-issue

Most of Obama's friends in h.s. were also middle-class kids - and most people under the age of 65 have tried mj at some point in their lives and have not suffered for it.

The ones who suffer are the ones who get arrested and have their lives ruined for doing something that one in ten Americans will admit to having done IN THE LAST YEAR.

Anyone who wants to make something bad out of this already dislikes Obama - it wouldn't matter if it were this issue or another one. It was the same with Bush and cocaine - whether someone used cocaine or not was and is a non-issue - it's the PRIVILEGE of being among wealthy Americans who aren't held to the same legal standards that's galling - it's the racism that is the most basic aspect of the application of drug laws that's infuriating - it's that hypocrisy.

Why should our drug laws be like a lottery that the rich always win?

When it comes to personal issues - I would never want to vote for anyone who has religious beliefs that include magic underwear or a six day creation of the world or a belief that god created women from men - to me, those beliefs are so stupid that, by the time someone is old enough to be president - if someone continues to hold such beliefs, I don't think they have the mental rigor to hold the office of the presidency.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 06:31 PM

53. So?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sat May 26, 2012, 09:40 PM

64. Lets see, I didnt care that Bush was a coke snorting drunk nor that Clinton smoked pot so why

exactly should I care that Obama himself may have used drugs when he was a kid?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Original post)

Sun May 27, 2012, 12:38 AM

68. Introduce legislation making marijuana mandatory, then bargain down to legal. nt

 

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