Former Democratic Chairs Deny Consulting on Debate Schedule
Source: Time
It depends on the definition of "consult"
Sam Frizell @Sam_Frizell 11:21 AM ET
Three of the four former party chairs that Democratic boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz said she consulted before deciding on the primary debate schedule tell TIME that their conversations with her did not amount to debate consultations.
She didnt consult with me. I do not support the exclusivity clause, said former DNC chair and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean in mid-October.
I did not, former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said in late October when asked if he consulted with her about the debates. I did speak with her once the issue resolved.
No, she didnt talk to me at all, Don Fowler said on Thursday. The fourth former party chair that Wasserman Shultz said she consulted with is Virginia Gov. Terry McAulliffe, a longtime loyalist of Hillary Clinton, who did not return calls from TIME requesting comments.
Read more: http://time.com/4104314/democratic-debate-debbie-wasserman-shultz/
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Either these three have forgotten or they are "truth impaired" in some way.
Will be interesting to see what DWS says about this if anyone bothers to ask her.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)that explains the "no comment" from the Hillary supporter that she did in fact talk to about it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I had a discussion with her the other day about party politics and Howard Dean. I found what she had to say quite enlightening and honest. There are a few people on DU I honestly would love to sit down with and talk to learn what they know. It seems like most of us are party outsiders not worthy of consideration of our opinions.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)"I hear nothing, I see nothing!!"
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)penndragon69
(788 posts)you've done enough damage to the party, it's time
for you to GO !
erronis
(15,241 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I honestly can't believe that at that point she won't be harassed so much that she would have to step down. For her safety.
And, she won't care a bit about the disastrous results of her tenure.
It almost seems as if it were by design, and I wouldn't be a surprised a bit if she were ambivalent if not pleased at a Republican in the WH and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress.
My God her tenure has been absolutely horrible.
mpcamb
(2,870 posts)Why is still even around?
Ford_Prefect
(7,891 posts)I guess we shouldn't judge DWS too harshly if in order to beat the GOP machine she has adopted their tactics.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)L-Y-L-Y-I-N-G!!!
(misspelled for rhyming purposes )
Scuba
(53,475 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)And, it's frightening to think of that if she didn't consult with others. She has MUCHO POWER and therefore gets a pass.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I mean, both parties do it.
sarcasm:
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I think these three would be prime candidates, cuz they tell the fucking truth.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Don't expect to see them anywhere near a Sanders cabinet or party leadership position.
wolfie001
(2,227 posts)Nice................
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Looks like some have sunk their teeth into this issue. And there is a receptive audience for these revelations.
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)It needs as much coverage as possible. This woman could cost the Dems a lot of votes in 2016. She needs to be replaced ASAP.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Most Republicans in office since 1928 (pre FDR, notably) and most Democratic losses in a century. Why does she still have the job?
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)It certainly isn't because of her abilities.
Also DNC chair should be a full-time position, not something a congressional representative does in her/his spare time. Is the DNC trying to lose elections?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Avoid mentioning Obama and the affordable care act. Run to the right and away from the left. Historic mid term losses. She kept the job as DNC chair.
For a year of his term as DNC chair, Tim Kaine was serving as Governor of Virginia. His election strategy was "Don't give them back the keys." Upon hearing that, even largely center right stalwart Jon Stewart said, "You're kidding. That's it?" Also historic midterm losses. He's now a U.S. Senator.
Riddle me those.
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)being Democrats and Independents seem to be moving more and more to the left now. I guess some in DC really DO live in a bubble.
Also I find it odd that the DNC dropped Howard Dean like a hot potato after his 50 state strategy was so successful.
appalachiablue
(41,129 posts)years that Scuba posted I believe. Just the stats. If that doesn't wake people up I don't know what will. Even Rachel mentioned it at the SC Forum and Hartmann's been bringing it up.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I haven't been motivated to do OPs in a while. Not that I ever did many. I feel an obligation to parent a thread I start and it's too much of a commitment sometimes.
I am 100% sure the Party knows the stats and it's made it's choice as to what to do about it. So, the status quo must be God's will.
That being the case, I don't know what is to be accomplished by throwing red meat (read meat?) out on this board. It would impact nothing in real life and I'm not feeling especially masochistic today.
You may or may not recall: After the last mid-terms, Mike Capuano (one of the best pols ever) and Stephen Lynch, both Mass Reps, suggested that, given the results of the last two midterm, considering a change in strategy might be wise. That was literally all they said--just that vague, that mild and that sensible.
The story got posted here and Capuano and Lynch got torn to shred by the usual suspects. Not their position, mind you, which was hard to attack, but them as politicians and the fact that they dared say anything at all.
That is what DU has devolved to anymore.
appalachiablue
(41,129 posts)quickly be seen as raw, fresh game as you say. Extend a hand well meant and then draw back a stub is not my forte either. (Sorry to know that two reputable Mass. politicians got tossed like that over reality, whoa).
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I didn't realize so much about Tim Kaine, my my. How I wish I'd learned of DU earlier, like 2005-6 at least.
BTW, just referred a Duer wanting SBS media contacts so I suggested you. Hope ok, dunno if they followed up.
Looking forward to this Saturday's Debate, though I really liked the SC Forum. Rachel's prep, questions and style, and the more relaxed, attractive and 'theatre in the round' setting made for a good experience.
The Debates' traditional stage, podium and more formal Q & A style are entirely different. We'll see. Keep the faith!
merrily
(45,251 posts)he is Catholic and used to represent a strongly Catholic district. (The greater Boston area has lots of Irish Catholics, like Lynch, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, Portuguese Catholics, etc.) So, he was predictably weak on choice and equal marriage. However, a gay cousin of his came out, the Republicans re-drew his district to include more of Boston proper, he had to get more liberal when he ran for statewide office (Kennedy's seat), etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda, he "evolved." But, they attacked him for his alleged homophobia anyway. Which, of course, had zero to do with the massive mid term losses.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)appalachiablue
(41,129 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)How the hell can we get our act together and become unified when we have a party Chair who doesn't tell us the truth? It's no small wonder some view us as "infighting" and disorganized. And perhaps it's no small wonder if, in fact, we are! Isn't there a way to unseat DWS? If so, perhaps Gov. Dean can be persuaded to take her place, or give us a clue as to who would better represent our party. Keep it together, guys. There has to be a way.
Growl, groan.................
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)All the top DNC officials should vote on Debate details.
If Debbie Wasserman Schultz had talked to a thousand people but still had sole power, then we'd probably be in the same situation where Republicans get more publicity by having more debates.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)So undemocratic.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)But it's HER turn!
Ya, if the set up doesn't implode.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Is she looking for a cabinet position in Hillary's administration?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)what Bill, Hillary and the Clinton foundation promised her to get her to do what she has done.
"A vice chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) says the chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.), did not consult others about the party's primary debate schedule, as she claims, and is questioning her leadership.
R.T. Rybak, a former mayor of Minneapolis, told The New York Times on Thursday that Wasserman Schultz had made statements that were "flat out not true."
This is not a back-and-forth between a chair and a vice chair, he said, according to the Times.
This is a chair of the Democratic Party wrongly stating that she consulted with all of the party officers. I was not consulted. I know that [Rep.] Tulsi Gabbard [D-Hawaii] was not consulted. And this is becoming about much more than debates.
Rybak's comments are the latest salvo in an internal party fight over the number of presidential primary debates.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/257110-dnc-officer-chairwomans-statements-flat-out-not-true
"Despite internal dissent at the Democratic National Committee and criticism from the partys presidential candidates, party chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz said Thursday that she would not change the primary debate rules.
Wasserman Schultz also said on Thursday that she alone made the decision to set the so-called debate exclusivity rule, which bars the Democratic presidential candidates from participating in more than six debates."
http://time.com/4029311/democratic-debate-schedule/
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)We should be taking every opportunity to show the electorate what adults discussing actual policy sounds like.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)We would be doing that if we had a party that cared about the electorate and that wanted to actually do something to help inform the public. We need all the information we can get to decide who will lead this country and virtually the rest of the free world after the present administration leaves office. We need someone who is going to be thinking about the people of this nation, the down trodden, the middle class, those who have been marginalized, and especially those that have been able to usurp the wealth of this nation and much of the world through their lying, cheating, and stealing making this nation and the world more and more unequal in every aspect.. We need someone who will step up the game for the 99% and put a stop to the horrible situation the 1% has caused for this nation and the rest of the world. Between you an me, I believe with the candidates running in both primary elections, that person is Bernie Sanders. With this horrible lack of debates that Wasserman Schultz has orchestrated, I'm afraid the people who need the information in order to decide between the candidates just may not have the opportunity to see the candidates enough to be able to make a wise decision.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)who might upset the gravy train
plus, they're very used to just blaming the voters when the schlubs failed to respond PROPERLY to their brilliant campaigning: that's why they're both stacking every deck they can and pretending that there's only one candidate running
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Just like the rethugs she supports over Democratic candidates.
Maineman
(854 posts)Wasserman Schultz is not going to quit. She needs pressure from Obama. Let's complain to Obama.
Maineman
(854 posts)Someone who can make a good case, how about starting a petition.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Maybe you can get back to us if he does?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Or maybe worshiped is the word. The hell with the 50 million Americans living in poverty. Goldman-Sach's profits are more important. Most Democrats realize the billionaire money buying our politicians is not conducive to freedom. But some here are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for the warm comfortable feeling they get from supporting the billionaires. To those people, the billionaires don't love you, they don't care about you, they use you to keep themselves in big profits.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I have heard reasoned opinions by other DUers in the know, but that one you are wasting your time on.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)If you are saying that Sanders is part of the 1% and party elite, then we have different definitions of such.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)under Wasserman-Schultz DNC Leadership goals help the GOP win.
It doesn't matter the intent. But I gotta tell you-DWS intent "appears" to seek to help get conservatives elected by keeping the current internal division strong while apparently attempting to Widen our division.
The consequences matter. What she did over the most recent elections caused massive losses for Dems. So, what did DWS do for Dems in 2015/2016? She tightened the rules and Increased restrictions. Winning strategy for Democrats or GOP?
Are "we" getting played (and falling for it?) by DNC/DSCC leadership? You decide.
In my opinion...something to consider.
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)I can't believe there isn't a major rebellion going on within the Democratic party.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)the "fight" internally to bother with recognizing the root cause of the fighting (distraction) and pull together and do something to change it.
Just my observation and opinion.
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)for someone in the news to put a spotlight on the problem, but everyone seems to be skirting the issue, not wanting to rock the boat. Meanwhile, everyone also knows what and who the problem is, but they leave us to read between the lines. I get the feeling that Wasserman Schulz is someone you don't want to cross.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)their own research....as corp media won't likely report anything of any real value like revealing something "we" didn't already know.
If pols/candidates are "crumbling" due to their "fear of DWS" we need better pols and candidates...imo.
As you pointed out earlier...why Isn't there a rebellion in the Dem Party...en-masse"?
Are "we" collectively afraid of DWS?
PatSeg
(47,410 posts)I have to remind myself that most voters aren't paying attention to political news at this point the same way we do, well except for the Carson-Trump antics. Meanwhile, all the GOP crazy could be detracting attention from the very real drama going on behind the scenes in the Democratic party.
PufPuf23
(8,767 posts)of conservative Democratic leadership at a cost to a majority of the voting membership of the Democratic Party.
We can do much better than Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Long past time for her to go.
Sparky 1
(400 posts)I really wanted to like Debbie. But I don't.