Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:29 PM Nov 2015

Former Democratic Chairs Deny Consulting on Debate Schedule

Source: Time

It depends on the definition of "consult"

Sam Frizell @Sam_Frizell 11:21 AM ET

Three of the four former party chairs that Democratic boss Debbie Wasserman Schultz said she “consulted” before deciding on the primary debate schedule tell TIME that their conversations with her did not amount to debate consultations.

“She didn’t consult with me. I do not support the exclusivity clause,” said former DNC chair and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean in mid-October.

“I did not,” former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said in late October when asked if he consulted with her about the debates. “I did speak with her once the issue resolved.”

“No, she didn’t talk to me at all,” Don Fowler said on Thursday. The fourth former party chair that Wasserman Shultz said she consulted with is Virginia Gov. Terry McAulliffe, a longtime loyalist of Hillary Clinton, who did not return calls from TIME requesting comments.

Read more: http://time.com/4104314/democratic-debate-debbie-wasserman-shultz/

67 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Former Democratic Chairs Deny Consulting on Debate Schedule (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2015 OP
Well.....here we go... KoKo Nov 2015 #1
We know that McAuliffe was on board for the exclusivity clause. virtualobserver Nov 2015 #5
Terry McAulliff! UGH! I have a post on DU, Nov. 2nd, about that POW...(Piece of Work) KoKo Nov 2015 #15
I was just thinking the same thing davidpdx Nov 2015 #45
Thanks, Debbie! Iggo Nov 2015 #2
F Debbie 840high Nov 2015 #25
Was she at all related to Sgt. Schulz? Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #49
Makes ya want to go HMMMMM LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #3
Member of the "Carson League" nt Plucketeer Nov 2015 #4
Hey Debbie.... penndragon69 Nov 2015 #6
Not yet. She still has more damage to do. DINO. erronis Nov 2015 #12
Her work will be done after a Republican wins the WH in '16. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #23
Throw her worthless dishonest butt out into the street. mpcamb Nov 2015 #41
After all it's only politics as usual, Right? Ford_Prefect Nov 2015 #7
Debbie and Benny sittin' in a tree Liberalagogo Nov 2015 #8
Hey, hey, ho, ho. DINO Debbie's got to go! Scuba Nov 2015 #9
Oh, very catchy. I like it! BeanMusical Nov 2015 #37
Debbie is not a Democrat bahrbearian Nov 2015 #10
She is what is "Considered" a Democrat THESE DAYS, though..... KoKo Nov 2015 #17
Why is everybody getting so worked up with all the cough... alleged cough lying going on at the DNC? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #11
When 3rd Way hand-wringers ask: "who will Bernie appoint to Chair the DNC?" 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13
After Kaine and Debbie Republican Shultz, going left seems like an excellent option. merrily Nov 2015 #28
Rendell & Dean are strong HRC supporters Myrina Nov 2015 #40
Hamstringing the party before the primaries. wolfie001 Nov 2015 #14
Journalists acting as journalists, cool Babel_17 Nov 2015 #16
And this is such an important issue PatSeg Nov 2015 #19
She's cost us a ton of seats already. merrily Nov 2015 #29
It is beyond my comprehension PatSeg Nov 2015 #52
The DNC chair sets election strategy. The strategy Debbie Republican Schultz set was merrily Nov 2015 #54
That is so strange PatSeg Nov 2015 #57
100 year decline should be an OP along with Dems national and state losses in the last 6 1/2 appalachiablue Nov 2015 #60
Him appalachiablue. Haven't run into you lately. Nice to see you. merrily Nov 2015 #62
OPs do require minding I know. And a thread on this topic although true would appalachiablue Nov 2015 #63
Lynch is dicey. Very strong union man as he was an ironworker himself. However, merrily Nov 2015 #65
This is nothing, wait till the voting chicanery begins on polling day. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #18
You ain't jokin', this stuff is a Sunday picnic...sigh. What does the FEC do anymore I wonder. appalachiablue Nov 2015 #66
Dammit!! Duval Nov 2015 #20
The DNC Chair shouldn't have sole power over Debate details. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #21
It' a tragedy that the supposedly liberal/progressive Party is so top-down authoritarian. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #24
Could the set up get anymore blatant? SoapBox Nov 2015 #22
The Zeal To Elect A Female President Has Overshadowed The Good Judgement Of Many cantbeserious Nov 2015 #26
Absolutely agree. SoapBox Nov 2015 #30
+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #38
Heckuva job, Debbie Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #27
You bet that she'll get well rewarded if she can deliver. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #39
She is trying her best to make sure Hillary gets the nomination by limiting these debates. I wonder monicaangela Nov 2015 #31
+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #36
The policy is harming the party enough that she might lose the GE eridani Nov 2015 #46
I agree eridani monicaangela Nov 2015 #48
they repeatedly threw generals to make sure that they didn't win with a challenger MisterP Nov 2015 #51
DWS is a grifter, unfit for public office. blackspade Nov 2015 #32
I think it is Obama we need to complain to. Didn't he appoint the DNC Chair?? Maineman Nov 2015 #33
There is a website where anyone can start a petition, right? I think it is change.org. Maineman Nov 2015 #34
Debbie W Schultz's pants are on fire. Again. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #35
Bernie hasn't called for her resignation, has he? brooklynite Nov 2015 #42
DWS works for the billionaires so I see why you defend her. The wealthy are envied by some. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #43
Because he IS part of the 1% and the "party elite" davidpdx Nov 2015 #44
I am wasting my time trying to discuss issues with any Clinton supporter. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #47
No he was talking about brooklynite or whatever his handle is -nt dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #56
The bottom line: fredamae Nov 2015 #50
It sure feels like we're being played PatSeg Nov 2015 #53
I agree. Maybe we're too distracted by fredamae Nov 2015 #55
I keep watching PatSeg Nov 2015 #58
These days one needs to do fredamae Nov 2015 #59
Of course, PatSeg Nov 2015 #61
Debbie Wasserman Schultz has consistently acted in the interests of a cadre PufPuf23 Nov 2015 #64
Can we get Gov. Howard Dean back? Sparky 1 Nov 2015 #67

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
1. Well.....here we go...
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:39 PM
Nov 2015

Either these three have forgotten or they are "truth impaired" in some way.

Will be interesting to see what DWS says about this if anyone bothers to ask her.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
5. We know that McAuliffe was on board for the exclusivity clause.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:50 PM
Nov 2015

that explains the "no comment" from the Hillary supporter that she did in fact talk to about it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
45. I was just thinking the same thing
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:15 AM
Nov 2015

I had a discussion with her the other day about party politics and Howard Dean. I found what she had to say quite enlightening and honest. There are a few people on DU I honestly would love to sit down with and talk to learn what they know. It seems like most of us are party outsiders not worthy of consideration of our opinions.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
23. Her work will be done after a Republican wins the WH in '16.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:19 PM
Nov 2015

I honestly can't believe that at that point she won't be harassed so much that she would have to step down. For her safety.

And, she won't care a bit about the disastrous results of her tenure.

It almost seems as if it were by design, and I wouldn't be a surprised a bit if she were ambivalent if not pleased at a Republican in the WH and Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress.

My God her tenure has been absolutely horrible.



Ford_Prefect

(7,891 posts)
7. After all it's only politics as usual, Right?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:57 PM
Nov 2015

I guess we shouldn't judge DWS too harshly if in order to beat the GOP machine she has adopted their tactics.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
17. She is what is "Considered" a Democrat THESE DAYS, though.....
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:32 PM
Nov 2015

And, it's frightening to think of that if she didn't consult with others. She has MUCHO POWER and therefore gets a pass.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
11. Why is everybody getting so worked up with all the cough... alleged cough lying going on at the DNC?
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:03 PM
Nov 2015

I mean, both parties do it.

sarcasm:
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
13. When 3rd Way hand-wringers ask: "who will Bernie appoint to Chair the DNC?"
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:13 PM
Nov 2015

I think these three would be prime candidates, cuz they tell the fucking truth.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
40. Rendell & Dean are strong HRC supporters
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:53 PM
Nov 2015

Don't expect to see them anywhere near a Sanders cabinet or party leadership position.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
16. Journalists acting as journalists, cool
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:31 PM
Nov 2015

Looks like some have sunk their teeth into this issue. And there is a receptive audience for these revelations.

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
19. And this is such an important issue
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:44 PM
Nov 2015

It needs as much coverage as possible. This woman could cost the Dems a lot of votes in 2016. She needs to be replaced ASAP.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. She's cost us a ton of seats already.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:37 PM
Nov 2015

Most Republicans in office since 1928 (pre FDR, notably) and most Democratic losses in a century. Why does she still have the job?

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
52. It is beyond my comprehension
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

It certainly isn't because of her abilities.

Also DNC chair should be a full-time position, not something a congressional representative does in her/his spare time. Is the DNC trying to lose elections?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. The DNC chair sets election strategy. The strategy Debbie Republican Schultz set was
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:05 PM
Nov 2015

Avoid mentioning Obama and the affordable care act. Run to the right and away from the left. Historic mid term losses. She kept the job as DNC chair.

For a year of his term as DNC chair, Tim Kaine was serving as Governor of Virginia. His election strategy was "Don't give them back the keys." Upon hearing that, even largely center right stalwart Jon Stewart said, "You're kidding. That's it?" Also historic midterm losses. He's now a U.S. Senator.

Riddle me those.

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
57. That is so strange
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

being Democrats and Independents seem to be moving more and more to the left now. I guess some in DC really DO live in a bubble.

Also I find it odd that the DNC dropped Howard Dean like a hot potato after his 50 state strategy was so successful.

appalachiablue

(41,129 posts)
60. 100 year decline should be an OP along with Dems national and state losses in the last 6 1/2
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:18 PM
Nov 2015

years that Scuba posted I believe. Just the stats. If that doesn't wake people up I don't know what will. Even Rachel mentioned it at the SC Forum and Hartmann's been bringing it up.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. Him appalachiablue. Haven't run into you lately. Nice to see you.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:26 PM
Nov 2015


I haven't been motivated to do OPs in a while. Not that I ever did many. I feel an obligation to parent a thread I start and it's too much of a commitment sometimes.

I am 100% sure the Party knows the stats and it's made it's choice as to what to do about it. So, the status quo must be God's will.



That being the case, I don't know what is to be accomplished by throwing red meat (read meat?) out on this board. It would impact nothing in real life and I'm not feeling especially masochistic today.

You may or may not recall: After the last mid-terms, Mike Capuano (one of the best pols ever) and Stephen Lynch, both Mass Reps, suggested that, given the results of the last two midterm, considering a change in strategy might be wise. That was literally all they said--just that vague, that mild and that sensible.

The story got posted here and Capuano and Lynch got torn to shred by the usual suspects. Not their position, mind you, which was hard to attack, but them as politicians and the fact that they dared say anything at all.

That is what DU has devolved to anymore.

appalachiablue

(41,129 posts)
63. OPs do require minding I know. And a thread on this topic although true would
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:20 PM
Nov 2015

quickly be seen as raw, fresh game as you say. Extend a hand well meant and then draw back a stub is not my forte either. (Sorry to know that two reputable Mass. politicians got tossed like that over reality, whoa).
----
I didn't realize so much about Tim Kaine, my my. How I wish I'd learned of DU earlier, like 2005-6 at least.
BTW, just referred a Duer wanting SBS media contacts so I suggested you. Hope ok, dunno if they followed up.

Looking forward to this Saturday's Debate, though I really liked the SC Forum. Rachel's prep, questions and style, and the more relaxed, attractive and 'theatre in the round' setting made for a good experience.
The Debates' traditional stage, podium and more formal Q & A style are entirely different. We'll see. Keep the faith!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
65. Lynch is dicey. Very strong union man as he was an ironworker himself. However,
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:29 PM
Nov 2015

he is Catholic and used to represent a strongly Catholic district. (The greater Boston area has lots of Irish Catholics, like Lynch, Italian Catholics, Polish Catholics, Portuguese Catholics, etc.) So, he was predictably weak on choice and equal marriage. However, a gay cousin of his came out, the Republicans re-drew his district to include more of Boston proper, he had to get more liberal when he ran for statewide office (Kennedy's seat), etc. Yadda, yadda, yadda, he "evolved." But, they attacked him for his alleged homophobia anyway. Which, of course, had zero to do with the massive mid term losses.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
20. Dammit!!
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:46 PM
Nov 2015

How the hell can we get our act together and become unified when we have a party Chair who doesn't tell us the truth? It's no small wonder some view us as "infighting" and disorganized. And perhaps it's no small wonder if, in fact, we are! Isn't there a way to unseat DWS? If so, perhaps Gov. Dean can be persuaded to take her place, or give us a clue as to who would better represent our party. Keep it together, guys. There has to be a way.

Growl, groan.................

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
21. The DNC Chair shouldn't have sole power over Debate details.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 07:53 PM
Nov 2015

All the top DNC officials should vote on Debate details.

If Debbie Wasserman Schultz had talked to a thousand people but still had sole power, then we'd probably be in the same situation where Republicans get more publicity by having more debates.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
24. It' a tragedy that the supposedly liberal/progressive Party is so top-down authoritarian.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 08:20 PM
Nov 2015

So undemocratic.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
31. She is trying her best to make sure Hillary gets the nomination by limiting these debates. I wonder
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:02 PM
Nov 2015

what Bill, Hillary and the Clinton foundation promised her to get her to do what she has done.

"A vice chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) says the chairwoman, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.), did not consult others about the party's primary debate schedule, as she claims, and is questioning her leadership.

R.T. Rybak, a former mayor of Minneapolis, told The New York Times on Thursday that Wasserman Schultz had made statements that were "flat out not true."

“This is not a back-and-forth between a chair and a vice chair,” he said, according to the Times.

“This is a chair of the Democratic Party wrongly stating that she consulted with all of the party officers. I was not consulted. I know that [Rep.] Tulsi Gabbard [D-Hawaii] was not consulted. And this is becoming about much more than debates.”
Rybak's comments are the latest salvo in an internal party fight over the number of presidential primary debates.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/257110-dnc-officer-chairwomans-statements-flat-out-not-true


"Despite internal dissent at the Democratic National Committee and criticism from the party’s presidential candidates, party chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz said Thursday that she would not change the primary debate rules.

Wasserman Schultz also said on Thursday that she alone made the decision to set the so-called debate exclusivity rule, which bars the Democratic presidential candidates from participating in more than six debates."


http://time.com/4029311/democratic-debate-schedule/

eridani

(51,907 posts)
46. The policy is harming the party enough that she might lose the GE
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:09 AM
Nov 2015

We should be taking every opportunity to show the electorate what adults discussing actual policy sounds like.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
48. I agree eridani
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:29 AM
Nov 2015

We would be doing that if we had a party that cared about the electorate and that wanted to actually do something to help inform the public. We need all the information we can get to decide who will lead this country and virtually the rest of the free world after the present administration leaves office. We need someone who is going to be thinking about the people of this nation, the down trodden, the middle class, those who have been marginalized, and especially those that have been able to usurp the wealth of this nation and much of the world through their lying, cheating, and stealing making this nation and the world more and more unequal in every aspect.. We need someone who will step up the game for the 99% and put a stop to the horrible situation the 1% has caused for this nation and the rest of the world. Between you an me, I believe with the candidates running in both primary elections, that person is Bernie Sanders. With this horrible lack of debates that Wasserman Schultz has orchestrated, I'm afraid the people who need the information in order to decide between the candidates just may not have the opportunity to see the candidates enough to be able to make a wise decision.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
51. they repeatedly threw generals to make sure that they didn't win with a challenger
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

who might upset the gravy train

plus, they're very used to just blaming the voters when the schlubs failed to respond PROPERLY to their brilliant campaigning: that's why they're both stacking every deck they can and pretending that there's only one candidate running

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
32. DWS is a grifter, unfit for public office.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:15 PM
Nov 2015

Just like the rethugs she supports over Democratic candidates.

Maineman

(854 posts)
33. I think it is Obama we need to complain to. Didn't he appoint the DNC Chair??
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:23 PM
Nov 2015

Wasserman Schultz is not going to quit. She needs pressure from Obama. Let's complain to Obama.

Maineman

(854 posts)
34. There is a website where anyone can start a petition, right? I think it is change.org.
Mon Nov 9, 2015, 09:25 PM
Nov 2015

Someone who can make a good case, how about starting a petition.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. DWS works for the billionaires so I see why you defend her. The wealthy are envied by some.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

Or maybe worshiped is the word. The hell with the 50 million Americans living in poverty. Goldman-Sach's profits are more important. Most Democrats realize the billionaire money buying our politicians is not conducive to freedom. But some here are willing to sacrifice their freedoms for the warm comfortable feeling they get from supporting the billionaires. To those people, the billionaires don't love you, they don't care about you, they use you to keep themselves in big profits.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
44. Because he IS part of the 1% and the "party elite"
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:11 AM
Nov 2015

I have heard reasoned opinions by other DUers in the know, but that one you are wasting your time on.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. I am wasting my time trying to discuss issues with any Clinton supporter.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:40 AM
Nov 2015

If you are saying that Sanders is part of the 1% and party elite, then we have different definitions of such.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
50. The bottom line:
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:30 AM
Nov 2015

under Wasserman-Schultz DNC Leadership goals help the GOP win.

It doesn't matter the intent. But I gotta tell you-DWS intent "appears" to seek to help get conservatives elected by keeping the current internal division strong while apparently attempting to Widen our division.

The consequences matter. What she did over the most recent elections caused massive losses for Dems. So, what did DWS do for Dems in 2015/2016? She tightened the rules and Increased restrictions. Winning strategy for Democrats or GOP?
Are "we" getting played (and falling for it?) by DNC/DSCC leadership? You decide.
In my opinion...something to consider.

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
53. It sure feels like we're being played
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:58 PM
Nov 2015

I can't believe there isn't a major rebellion going on within the Democratic party.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
55. I agree. Maybe we're too distracted by
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:07 PM
Nov 2015

the "fight" internally to bother with recognizing the root cause of the fighting (distraction) and pull together and do something to change it.
Just my observation and opinion.

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
58. I keep watching
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 03:35 PM
Nov 2015

for someone in the news to put a spotlight on the problem, but everyone seems to be skirting the issue, not wanting to rock the boat. Meanwhile, everyone also knows what and who the problem is, but they leave us to read between the lines. I get the feeling that Wasserman Schulz is someone you don't want to cross.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
59. These days one needs to do
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

their own research....as corp media won't likely report anything of any real value like revealing something "we" didn't already know.

If pols/candidates are "crumbling" due to their "fear of DWS" we need better pols and candidates...imo.
As you pointed out earlier...why Isn't there a rebellion in the Dem Party...en-masse"?
Are "we" collectively afraid of DWS?

PatSeg

(47,410 posts)
61. Of course,
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:01 PM
Nov 2015

I have to remind myself that most voters aren't paying attention to political news at this point the same way we do, well except for the Carson-Trump antics. Meanwhile, all the GOP crazy could be detracting attention from the very real drama going on behind the scenes in the Democratic party.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
64. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has consistently acted in the interests of a cadre
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:25 PM
Nov 2015

of conservative Democratic leadership at a cost to a majority of the voting membership of the Democratic Party.

We can do much better than Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Long past time for her to go.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Former Democratic Chairs ...