Family of man shot by customer with concealed carry license: 'Something doesn't seem right'

[Township75]

Source: Chicago Tribune

The stepson of a 55-year-old suspected robber shot dead Saturday night at a Southwest Side store by a customer with a concealed carry license expressed anger, frustration and doubt about the incident Sunday.

Killed was Reginald Gildersleeve, 55, of the 5000 block of South California Avenue, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office. Gildersleeve was pronounced dead at 7:10 p.m. on the scene in the 2700 block of West 51st Street, according to the medical examiner's office.

Police had said earlier he'd been shot in the chest. An autopsy slated for Sunday will determine the cause and manner of Gildersleeve's death.

Gildersleeve's stepson told reporters Sunday that he doubted the police account that Gildersleeve was shot while attempting to rob the store.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-concealed-carry-20151101-story.html

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They have concealed carry in Chicago?

[Fred Sanders]

1. Did the 55 year old dead robber have a gun or a weapon as he was shot dead by a presumed

good guy with a gun?

Website firewall.

[Township75]

3. According to this article..

police sources gave conflicting answers, such as he had a fake, to yes he did.

[GGJohn]

19. Yes, Fred, he had a firearm. eom.

[whopis01]

78. Did he? It didn't sound like it from the article.

The article said he had a "paint gun" - which may have meant a paintball gun. In either case, those are not firearms.

[bowens43]

2. the 'customer' should be going to prison..........

[Township75]

4. for what?

?

[WhiteTara]

7. murder?

Concealed carry isn't a license to be a vigilante.

[DonP]

8. Stopping an armed robbery isn't murder

The 55 year old had a lengthy criminal record, including being out on bail for another crime October 23rd.

He was forcing people into the back room when he was shot by the customer.

Vigilante? Really? Sounds more like self defense.

[GGJohn]

11. What murder?

The ARMED robber was in the process of herding the 2 clerks into the back room at gun point, that's never a good sign, the CC customer perceived a deadly threat to himself and the clerks and took appropriate action.
He most certainly wasn't a vigilante, he was a lawful CC'er who may have very well stopped a double or triple murder.

[840high]

21. He sounds like a winner.

[GGJohn]

22. I agree.

A winner in the fact that 3 lives were probably saved by his action.

[840high]

23. Yes. I meant the criminal.

[GGJohn]

25. Ooops, sorry about that.

Yeah, that POS was a real winner, he won the stupid prize.

[christx30]

18. How would you define a vigilante?

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Someone that doesn't call the police, but takes the law into their own hands?

There wasn't a cop around. There was no way of calling them. This was a bad guy that out on parole was reportedly taking employees into the back of the store. Is there any situation where that turns out well for the employees. So the customer did the right thing, unless you think the lives of the employees are a small price to pay for Mr. Gildersleeve's life.

Here's his rap sheet, by the way. He sure seemed to love stealing for people. Maybe this was the job that he would graduate to murder.
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Illinois/Cook-County-IL/Reginald-Gildersleeve.239925.html
I see offenses range from Forgery to possession of a controlled substance, to burglary to theft. He decided to enter into a dangerous occupation, and it turned out bad for him.
Glad no innocent people were killed.

[Demonaut]

93. of his 55 years he was sentenced to prison 37 years for the 10 separate offences he was caught

robbing at gunpoint is a very stupid thing to do...even if it was a fake one

[LisaL]

35. But it's legal to use in self-defense and defense of others.

[Yo_Mama]

91. This wasn't being a vigilante. If the customer had known the weapon was fake

he would not have used his, but of course the robbery wouldn't have succeeded. That's the problem.

It's armed or aggravated robbery if you are holding a screwdriver in your pocket so it looks like a pistol and you tell people it is a gun. Any deadly weapon threat makes it armed or aggravated robbery.

Sadly, this happens more than you would expect:
http://www.guns.com/2014/09/15/robbers-armed-with-fake-gun-face-store-clerk-with-real-pistol-video/
http://www.csclarklaw.com/violent-crimes-information/armed-robbery-imitation-firearms.html
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/armed+robbery

This is in common law an inherently violent crime. The use or threat of the weapon is employed to make the victim(s) do what they normally would not do through fear, thus making it legal to use deadly force. If you walked into a store with a baggie of flour and told the clerk that it was anthrax and that if they didn't hand over all the money you would throw it on them, it's armed or aggravated robbery.

The fact that the gun was fake doesn't change the legal position AT ALL.

This wasn't murder. It was a justifiable homicide unless some facts appear that make it clear that the threat was not something a reasonable person would have feared. For example, if a five year-old walked into the store and waved a toy magic wand and ordered the clerk to give him candy or the kid would make him disappear, a reasonable person would not be in fear of a deadly weapon.

People who commit armed robbery are not just placing their victims in jeopardy - they are also running personal risks. It is the fear element that creates the justification for a forceful response.

Defense of others has always been considered justifiable where it would be justifiable if you were defending yourself.

[Eleanors38]

112. Good post. Clears up the misconceptions.

[TeddyR]

16. The dead criminal

Wouldn't be dead if he hadn't attempted to commit felony robbery. The guy who shot him did nothing wrong and undoubtedly will not be charged with a crime. How about we stop sticking up for criminals?

[GGJohn]

20. You probably won't answer, as is your usual MO,

but what should the customer be going to prison for?

[Yo_Mama]

79. If the "toy" was good enough to fool the staff I don't think you can blame the shooter.

If you commit armed robbery and put people in fear for their lives, you may get killed. It comes with the territory.

[Yo_Mama]

81. If I am on the jury, he won't be. Sorry, committing armed robbery puts people in deadly fear.

According to the accounts, he was directing the attendants to the back. If it was good enough to fool the clerks, from the customer's perspective he was looking at an armed man who might possibly kill someone.

Sometimes life sucks. I feel sorry for the customer who shot, but he deserves no censure from the law.

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. Particularly when they're being rounded up to be taken to a back room.

Many self-defense courses teach that this is a very, very bad sign and you should be ready to fight at the first opportunity when this starts happening. It is not uncommon for this to be a precursor to getting rid of witnesses.

[Yo_Mama]

90. Unfortunately, yes. The man who shot the perp

would have probably felt extremely badly if a few people ended up dead and he could have prevented it.

I don't carry a gun and I can't ever see that changing, but sadly, I have personally known one person who was later killed in a robbery, and I have known one person who shot robbers after the robbers began grouping up the girls to lead them off. I suspect he did save the lives of the victims that day. To do it, he took two lives.

He wasn't happy about the whole thing, and never will be. Sometimes all your choices are BAD.

I can't believe that so many people are willing to defend criminals who commit armed robbery. Having a fake gun doesn't change it from the perspective of the victims.

[mwrguy]

5. Killed for having a toy gun

[GGJohn]

12. Has that been postively proven yet?

Even if true, the CC customer had no way of knowing that, he saw an ARMED robber who was, according to reports, herding the clerks to the back of the store, which is never a good thing.

After another employee was ordered to the back of the business, a customer in the store pulled out a gun and shot the alleged robbery. The customer had a valid FOID and conceal-carry permit, the Tribune reported.

http://patch.com/illinois/beverly-mtgreenwood/conceal-carry-permit-holder-kills-robber-during-south-side-store-robbery

[Duckhunter935]

26. So did it have the required red tip

If it was indeed a toy like you say.

[Duckhunter935]

28. tell that to mwrguy

he is the one that knows it and stated it as fact, lol

[heaven05]

31. Tamir Rice, this guy

same difference, kill the black person FIRST, then ask questions and/or fit narrative around concocted BS story. To a lot of a certain type/culture of american citizen in this country, black life is cheap and disposable.

[GGJohn]

33. If it's true he had a fake gun,

then post a link to any reputable source saying that.

Do we know what ethnicity the CC'er was?

[heaven05]

36. It's easy to find out

answers to your queries. Go to it.

[GGJohn]

40. You're the one alledging that it was a case similiar to Tamir Rice,

so it's up to you to post proof that it was a fake gun.
FWIW, I've checked every news source I could find and there's not one mention of a fake gun.
The ARMED robber had a mask on and pulled a gun, that would lead any reasonable person to believe that an ARMED robbery was going down.

[heaven05]

45. I owe you nor anyone here proof

I don't need you to tell me what's up to me, means nothing as does your need for proof. When I SEE the store cams, I will then make a decision on guilt or innocence. And I am not buying their Trib to see another POC killed, I'll wait for an independent source.

[GGJohn]

41. Update.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-concealed-carry-20151101-story.html

"Police say charges are unlikely against a licensed concealed-carry gun owner who shot and killed a robbery suspect after he threatened a worker with what turned out to be a paint gun in Gage Park on the Southwest Side over the weekend.

"The Chicago Police Department is wrapping up its investigation and charges do not appear likely," the department said in a statement."

It turns out it was a paint gun, which look very real, and the CPD is saying that charges are unlikely, the video backs up the customer's story.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[procon]

56. Raise your hand if you think The Chicago Police Department gives a damn

about another dead black man. Its an easy out for the shoot first, ask questions later crowd, a quick solution all tidied up with some generalized legalese to sooth the concerned and appraise the gunists.

When the state starts endorsing these precrime executions like this man, or Tamir Rice and Trayvon Martin example, who's next? Where does gun violence end, maybe when the next "good guy with a gun" is killed by some other "good guy with a gun"? No, I doubt it, because some overwrought gun proselytizer will come up with a sterling defense of the Gun God.

[christx30]

62. This wasn't precrime.

This was a robbery in progress. Mr. Gildersleeve wasn't executed or otherwise punished for his crime. He wasn't an innocent person caught up He was stopped in the commission of a crime (robbery) and before he could commit another (probably murder, otherwise could be false imprisonment or kidnapping). He was leading the employees into backroom of the store. How does that story usually end? If he was at home reading a book or doing nearly anything else, he would be alive right now.
Crime is a dangerous occupation. Never know when one of your victims is going to fight back against you.

[procon]

77. When people with guns can do whatever they want

just because they have guns, good or bad, the outcome is the same. The mere speculation that Gildersleeve might have done this or could have done that, is the same excuse cited to excuse the deaths of Rice and Martin. Robbery is not a capital crime. When death is delivered due to a suspicion of some possible future crime, the pettiness of arguing that it was "right" is inconsequential compared to the continuing long term destruction that escalating gun violence has on our society.

[christx30]

89. Burglary isn't a capital crime either.

But if you break into someone's home, you stand a good chance of being shot.
Speeding isn't a capital crime. But if you do it, you could hit a fire hydrant and die.
This isn't about being punished for a crime. It's about the direct consequences of Gildersleeve's actions, on him and other people. He was a bad guy. He, and others like him are why self defense laws exist. So the bad guys don't have reign over the rest of society.
And I wouldn't want to trust my life to someone like that. Would you? Gildersleeve's has a gun in your face, and he's taking you into the back of the store? I'm going to hope someone shoots him dead. I wouldn't want someone to wait to see if he kills me.

[procon]

92. Self defense laws were pushed by Republican legislatures

who will dance to whatever tune the flailing gun manufacturers lobby and ALEX is playing. The madness and proliferation of guns that has infected so many red states is a relatively recent event that uniquely coincided with the election of the first black president. Guns are a political wedge issue so there is no reasoning, no logic, no common sense rational to someone who fancies themselves living amidst killer zombies in a Walking Dead sound stage.

In a just world, no one would tolerate any more lame excuses from gun worshipers. Guns and ammunition would be controlled, restricted and regulated, prohibitively expensive, harder to obtain and more difficult to own than a rattlesnake, and the legal requirements for ownership, use, licensing and liability should be at least as restrictive as owning a car or motorcycle.

[christx30]

94. So you think people should be worried about being

charged with a crime for defending themselves against a criminal like Gildersleeve? Would that be better?

[procon]

96. I worry that some nut with a gun will stupidly shoot someone I love.

Maybe his aim was off, and instead of shooting the suspected criminal, he kills my husband. Or some gun toting idiot thinks my smart alex nephew is reaching for a gun too, shoots him, and afterwards sees it was a cell phone. I worry that men with guns get drunk and shoot it out, and it may happen in the tavern where I'm having dinner. I worry that guns are weapons intended to kill people, and I don't trust the mental state anyone who thinks they can't leave home without one.

[christx30]

98. And I'm worried when things like this happen:

http://wdtn.com/2015/09/10/woman-who-shot-intruder-waited-hour-for-police/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605

and the woman would be charged with the murder of the burglar. Or worse, she hesitates and she's murdered.
People have the right to defend themselves against criminals. You stop the crime. You eliminate the shitheads that pull stupid crap, and I'd be happy to see every gun melted down and turned into park benches.

[hollowdweller]

109. That's a legitimate concern.

I have tons of guns but never carry one. #1 because I feel safe and #2 I would be afraid to use it and hitting somebody else.

Still I think the guy got what he had been asking for for a long time. He was probably a drug addict trying to raise money. I'd be all for free substance abuse detox so he didn't have to rob for his jones. But once he robs he's on his own.

[Ace Rothstein]

42. Wow

Are you really comparing a kid playing with a toy gun to someone who may have used one to hold up a store?

[sarisataka]

65. That is the comparison

There is a certain culture/mindset that sees no difference between a child on a playground and a career criminal engaged in a violent felony.

[Rebubula]

43. Such Disconnect

This case is in no way related to Tamir Rice.

Had Tamir Rice herded customers into a walkin while carrying the fake gun and mask - his death would have been on his hands.

[heaven05]

44. right

according to you. Means nothing to me. Could be a concocted story. Could be BS. You don't know, you were not there. I will believe when I see the store cams, from an independent source, otherwise, NEVER. Have a good day.

[Rebubula]

46. Fair enough...

...will you be back to post an apology if the narrative DOES fit the police report?

[heaven05]

47. No

my main point is, black life is cheap and hated in this country by many at all class levels. I will not apologize for the truth.

[TeddyR]

64. The criminal's race is irrelevant to this story

The fact that he was a felon shot during the commission of a felon is the story, not the race of the dead felon or the race of his shooter. Not sure why you are trying to make this about race.

[heaven05]

82. uhhh huh

[TeddyR]

87. Glad to see you agree

NM

[LisaL]

34. He was wearing a mask and pulled a gun.

Vast majority of people are going to assume that the gun is real.

[pipoman]

37. No, killed for attempting to rob people who didn't deserve to be robbed

Killed for threatening to harm people who did nothing wrong.

Killed for wearing a mask into a business, stating he was there to rob the place, and forcing people to give him money.

Killed for being a felon in the commission of another felony.

Killed for having a toy gun....Who, in their right mind, actually thinks like this?

[24601]

55. I've never wondered how the Secret Service would react if someone pulled a toy gun in the presence

the President.

You have any doubt that they would take the same actions as if it were real?

[Lizzie Poppet]

85. Killed for pulling what looked like a real gun on innocent people.

Paintball guns these days are often extremely realistic:



No idea if this is the sort of paintball gun he had, but there's no reason to assume it was one of the old-style kind that looked only a little like real guns. Those were almost all quite large and bulky compared to real guns...in other words, not the readily-concealed kind that robbers almost universally prefer.

I have no problem with someone assuming this idiot had placed innocent people one twitch of his finger away from being shot.

[FLson]

104. If that was the gun

And I saw someone in a grocery mart pointing it at others and giving orders to go to the back. It'd just walk away and let happens happens. That's better for everyone. So what if it was a real gun and he murdered all those people. That's not what our society is about. It's about hoping the cops catch the criminals afterwards and put them into the prison industrial complex that helps rich people get richer off human misery while tax dollars are used to subsidize the rich.

I mean just because the guy could have tied the people up while threatening them with a fake gun and then bludgeoned them to death, something a criminal defense client of mine did, with a fire extinguisher doesn't mean someone should stop the act from happening. They should leave and call the cops. And ten minutes to hours later, the cops can do the chalk outlines and go hunt for the guy while two innocent people lay dead. Maybe he'd get caught in this climate of "Don't Snitch" or maybe he'd go murder other people. No one should resist crime or evil, they should just lay down for it and force others to as well.

[GGJohn]

105. Love your sarcasm.

Welcome to DU.

[FLson]

106. What sarcasm?

I'm for gun control. Er uh, I mean gun safety. Everyone knows peace and utopia just requires the banning of guns. Just look at Venezuela, Mexico, and Jamaica.

[GGJohn]

108. Well played sir, well played. eom.

[Yo_Mama]

6. Surely there will be security video!!!

And there must have been an attendant. One way or another, the truth should be uncovered.

[GGJohn]

15. See post #12. eom.

[ileus]

9. Every family chimes in "he was good egg" always...

I remember my family claiming the same thing when my first cousins husband was blasted for pulling a shotgun on a deputy when being pulled over back in the 70's. Prior to that it was always what a loser thief drunk...

It's just the way families roll.

[TexasProgresive]

10. That is a false logical argument.

Many incarcerated claim innocence. That doesn't mean that all prisoners are lying likewise that doesn't mean families always lie either.

[Travis_0004]

102. He has a rap sheet a mile long

And has been sentanced to 37 years total for several other robberies, so in this case Im willing to call bullshit on the family.

[Person 2713]

13. Yes they do. Illinois was last state in nation to approve conceal carry.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-31/news/chi-illinois-senate-debating-new-concealed-carry-gun-bill-20130531_1_gun-bill-state-lawmakers-gun-control-proponents

[Township75]

29. Thank you for the update

I heard about the handgun ban being overturned but not about this.

[GGJohn]

14. Yep.

Shall issue was passed in IL. in 2013, Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart tried to issue a blanket objection to all citizens living in Cook County, the Illinois State Police, who run the CHL program, basically told him to fuck off on his blanket objections.

[mopinko]

17. yeah, the "chicago has the toughest gun laws" thing is a myth.

and we sure dont prosecute people for gun crimes the way we should.

[GGJohn]

32. "Racking up the posts. wink wink, nudge nudge "

Seems that's what you're doing there darb.

[Darb]

49. In hopes of a better union and more civil society, I post....

a fraction of the number that the RKHA loyalists do on nearly every single gun topic (skipping only the ones that not even they can pretend to win). What is your motivation, besides post counts? Wink wink.

[Ace Rothstein]

38. The number of criminal apologists on this site makes my head spin.

[procon]

61. Likewise, gun apologists make me ill.

If you want to complaint about people with guns, don't stop at just the wrongdoers. No matter who holds it, a gun is made for one purpose; to kill. Our society will continue lurching and weeping from one repellant incident like this to next until the indiscriminate proliferation of guns is stopped.

[Freddie Stubbs]

39. Gildersleeve had a lengthy arrest record

Court records, however, reveal another side of Gildersleeve. They show he had been arrested at least half a dozen times dating back to the 1980s. Several arrests had to do with narcotics, but most of the incidents involved theft or robbery. He was in and out of prison, with burglary convictions as recent as 2005.

more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/02/concealed-gun-owner-fatally-shoots-suspected-robber-during-chicago-stick-up/

[Beaverhausen]

48. Any of those punishable by death?

A toy gun. Yep.

[Throd]

50. Gildersleeve started a chain of events which resulted in his own death.

He made a choice to do something incredibly stupid and dangerous. Lots of people die that way.

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. Was the 'toy gun' easily distinguishable from a real gun?

[Yo_Mama]

80. You are being unreasonable, it seems. If everyone else was fooled, of course this guy was.

It's not as if he walked in there and said "Hey, give me all the money or I'll shoot you with this water pistol!"

[Lizzie Poppet]

83. A paintball gun, actually.

Someone not familiar with them would be almost certain to think it was real.

[X_Digger]

97. If you tell a person, "Your money or your life", are you surprised when they take you at your word?

If you didn't think that the threat was real, you'd tell the asshole to fuck right off.

That's the thing about armed robbery. You don't have to actually be armed, you just have to make your victims think so.

Would you give your money to a guy that you knew was holding a paintball gun? Of course not, that's stupid.

Derp.

[Eleanors38]

113. Check out "Grease gun" on Wiki. You'll see an M3 submachine gun.

Now, why, do you suppose, it got that name?

[Darb]

52. The shooter hit the gun-humper lotto it looks like.

Got to kill a somebody and will get away with it. I bet he creamed his jeans. It's a dream come true, especially if the guy that got killed was a black man, then he probably had multiple orgasms.

[agtcovert]

53. I wouldn't call taking a life winning the lotto

Among responsible, legal carriers, this isn't the kind of thing that induces orgasm.

What a ridiculously offensive post. Somehow you managed to conflate killing with sexual pleasure and racism at the same time. Impressive.

[Darb]

58. To most normal people, no, not the lotto.

But to the gun humper walking around town strapped all the time, what else is he looking for? He's looking for the opportunity to kill someone. Period. He hit the gun humper lotto, he got the opportunity to kill someone who might or might not have deserved it, but he won't pay a price for it, so whooohooo!!!!

As for the racist part, I'm not seeing that at all, at least not on my end.

[christx30]

63. What was the criminal looking for,

when he was leading the employees into the backroom? Recipes?

[Darb]

67. I was just commenting on the good fortune of the shooter.

He's been lugging that weapon around, schlepping day in and day out for what? And finally, the chance to kill someone.
Whooohoo!! He won't have to go to trial or nothing, chances are. I mean, he got to kill a guy, convict him and put him to death right there on the spot, and will get away with it, I suspect. What are the odds? He hit the rude toter lotto.

The criminal....... he was probably looking for money to live on I'd wager.

[friendly_iconoclast]

68. Are you a licensed telepsychologist , or simply posing as one on the Internet?

In truth, you know nothing about the shooter and are merely airing out your prejudices

[Darb]

73. I know the shooter brought a gun into a place of business.......

for some reason, I'd suspect. He didn't accidentally have it at the ready did he? Did it fall into his pocket from its locked up place in his gun safe? Accidentally? Are you implying that it was his first day rude toting? Now that would be an even bigger rude toter lotto hit....errrrr....ooops, bad choice of words there, I meant rude toter lotto win.

All I am saying is he got what he must have wanted, and it is a long, long, long shot to be in that position. So he hit a long shot. THE RUDE TOTER LOTTO.

What's the problem?

[GGJohn]

101. Seek help. eom.

[Travis_0004]

103. I have a fire extinguisher in my house

Im at home right now hopping for a fire.

I also have a jack in my car and a spare tire. I hope I can get a flat tire on my drive to work tommorow!!!!

[Eleanors38]

114. Believe it or not, that post will probably pass muster in DU.

[Throd]

54. You have odd fantasies.

[Darb]

59. Not my fantasies.

Gun humper fantasies. I'm just calling them like I see 'em. I know many rude toters.

[friendly_iconoclast]

70. You are correct- these are your projections, not your fantasies

[Darb]

74. I don't think I am projecting anything.

He's a rude toter. For some reason he feels the need to tote a gun around. Why?

[friendly_iconoclast]

111. Then you're deluded, as you do not know that person

[sarisataka]

57. Fucking disgusting

Your lurid fantasies have no relation to the mental, emotional, and even physical trauma that occurs to a person who has to take another's life.

Only a sociopath would come even close to what you described. Seek help

[Darb]

60. Yeah, right. Got it. Tell that to George Zimmerman.

As he posts pics of himself smoking cigars in a pool, bragging. Or any of those other heroes that killed when they didn't have to.

And by the way, those are gun humper fantasies, not mine. I don't rude tote.

[sarisataka]

66. Who is talking about

Any other incident?

You are so invested in your necro-sexual fantasy you don't even see the victim anymore.

[Darb]

69. Whoa there, don't jump a shark. "necro-sexual fantasy"?

Didn't you say: "no relation to the mental, emotional, and even physical trauma that occurs to a person who has to take another's life"? Well I thought that I would point out that those emotions and trauma that you are bringing into the fray don't seem to apply to other "heroes" now do they?

That necro-sexual thing is a beauty. I think you might be exercising a bit of projection. I don't get off on killing others, rude toters do. Capiche?

[friendly_iconoclast]

71. They *are* fantasies, as you've no evidence whatsoever that you know how the shooter felt

The only other poster known for using the phrase 'rude toters' un-ironically, and claiming
to know how people they'd never met really feel recently admitted to being a pious fraud

Hoyt, is that you?

[Darb]

75. I am not that poster. Would you prefer

gun-humper? Sure, I am speculating. But you tell me, why did that shooter have a gun in that place of business? Did he think he might get a shot at an elk?

[Jesus Malverde]

100. Nailed it...nt

[sarisataka]

72. And you know any of them personally

As for projection...

I am a combat vet. You say I get off on killing? You know nothing about killing.

Go Fuck Yourself

I'll take the hide.

[Darb]

76. No worries, I can take it.

Combat vets are not the same thing as rude toters, in case you were wondering. Combat vets take orders and carry them out. Apples vs. oranges. Unless of course, you were a mercenary?

Why was that shooter carrying a gun in that place of business? Looking for rabbit?

[Lizzie Poppet]

86. Let the hate flow through you, young Jedi!

[GGJohn]

99. This is, by far, the sickest post here yet.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[shadowrider]

88. Honest conceal carry citizen stops mass shooting

Anti-gun DU'ers yawn and blame the guy that shot the shooter and stopped the killing.

[Ace Rothstein]

95. This thread has shown me that Republicans haven't cornered the market on crazy like I thought.

[Beaverhausen]

110. Mass shooting?

With a paint gun?

[hollowdweller]

107. Guy got what he deserved.

If I was being robbed and some guy with a gun tagged the robber I'd be shaking the hand of the guy who tagged him.

I don't think the police should execute every thief they take into custody, but if somebody is threatening force and is going to ruin a bunch of peoples day well, he had it coming.